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It gives owners a fairly easy cop out, though. There’s no incentive at all to get promoted from L1 to the Championship.

We’re all getting cast adrift.
Great point...you could only offer 12month contracts on promotion to the championship in case you was instantly relegated.

How will teams who have players on three or four year contracts stick to the cap if they are relegated from the premier lge then again from the championship......Minefield
 

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Sunderland and Portsmouth are the only ones making noises about being unhappy about the L1 cap at the minute, although I suspect Ipswich will join them (and probably Barnsley/Hull/Charlton etc if they come down).

The big problem is stopping creating an even bigger gap from L1 to the Championship than already is.
 

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Sunderland and Portsmouth are the only ones making noises about being unhappy about the L1 cap at the minute, although I suspect Ipswich will join them (and probably Barnsley/Hull/Charlton etc if they come down).

The big problem is stopping creating an even bigger gap from L1 to the Championship than already is.
Exactly.

Vale have also said today we are going for the Sept 12th option and believe that is the preferred as clubs want to get fans in or some may not financially be able to compete, this would see most clubs return to training in 3 weeks time, but the worry is due to the 11 midweek league games with a 12/9 start along with cup runs and postponements that any later if fans can't be in grounds and clubs cant afford to start could then become unviable to complete a full season.
 

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Exactly.

Vale have also said today we are going for the Sept 12th option and believe that is the preferred as clubs want to get fans in or some may not financially be able to compete, this would see most clubs return to training in 3 weeks time, but the worry is due to the 11 midweek league games with a 12/9 start along with cup runs and postponements that any later if fans can't be in grounds and clubs cant afford to start could then become unviable to complete a full season.
I don't get why clubs are rushing to start when it's not nailed on that fans will be allowed to attend games? That makes no sense whatsoever. The start date and the date when fans are allowed to attend again needs to be announced at the same time.
 

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I don't get why clubs are rushing to start when it's not nailed on that fans will be allowed to attend games? That makes no sense whatsoever. The start date and the date when fans are allowed to attend again needs to be announced at the same time.
Thats essentially why they are currently apparently leaning towards the latter of the 2 dates the EFL have put forward.

As our CEO says though it changes day by day, if you get a spike in infection over a week or so then we could be back at a situation where restrictions are in etc so its almost impossible to really plan.

The worry is for me the winter months... are we going to get to December/January and get a spike in cases and have to abandon the whole thing again!
 

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Thats essentially why they are currently apparently leaning towards the latter of the 2 dates the EFL have put forward.

As our CEO says though it changes day by day, if you get a spike in infection over a week or so then we could be back at a situation where restrictions are in etc so its almost impossible to really plan.

The worry is for me the winter months... are we going to get to December/January and get a spike in cases and have to abandon the whole thing again!
Oh the 12th is the later date? I assumed that was the earlier date!
 

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Exactly.

Vale have also said today we are going for the Sept 12th option and believe that is the preferred as clubs want to get fans in or some may not financially be able to compete, this would see most clubs return to training in 3 weeks time, but the worry is due to the 11 midweek league games with a 12/9 start along with cup runs and postponements that any later if fans can't be in grounds and clubs cant afford to start could then become unviable to complete a full season.
Yep, little room for manoeuvre. Even at a September 12th start date, I'd personally be scrapping the League Cup and leaving it up to clubs about FA Cup replays. I've always argued that the decision should be made by the clubs in that respect like the FA Trophy. If it's Man Utd vs Crawley, then the latter will obviously want a replay but Southend vs Bolton, just let them sort it on the day with ET and penalties if they want to, or straight to penalties. Give them the option. If they can't agree, carry on as normal and replay.

I don't get why clubs are rushing to start when it's not nailed on that fans will be allowed to attend games? That makes no sense whatsoever. The start date and the date when fans are allowed to attend again needs to be announced at the same time.
I think noises from around the PL and EFL meetings are that fans will be allowed back in when the season kicks off, just at a percentage to be determined. L1 are talking about 30%-40%.

It isn't feasible to wait until full capacity is back. We'll be waiting until around December/January time I'd imagine.

Oh the 12th is the later date? I assumed that was the earlier date!
September 12th is the last latest the season can start to keep all the cups, cup replays etc, although, as above, it sounds like they'll have to be some loss of games, most likely to be cup replays.
 

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Yep, little room for manoeuvre. Even at a September 12th start date, I'd personally be scrapping the League Cup and leaving it up to clubs about FA Cup replays. I've always argued that the decision should be made by the clubs in that respect like the FA Trophy. If it's Man Utd vs Crawley, then the latter will obviously want a replay but Southend vs Bolton, just let them sort it on the day with ET and penalties if they want to, or straight to penalties. Give them the option. If they can't agree, carry on as normal and replay.


I think noises from around the PL and EFL meetings are that fans will be allowed back in when the season kicks off, just at a percentage to be determined. L1 are talking about 30%-40%.

It isn't feasible to wait until full capacity is back. We'll be waiting until around December/January time I'd imagine.


September 12th is the last latest the season can start to keep all the cups, cup replays etc, although, as above, it sounds like they'll have to be some loss of games, most likely to be cup replays.
For L1 and 2 the League Cup isn't a major issue as most teams (us especially!) only play 1 or 2 ties at most, but would certainly dump the leasing.com as thats 3 games + potentially 4 or 5 more which if scrapped would probably (assuming FA Cup R1 and 2 remain weekends) see only 2-3 cup midweeks on top max for most clubs. (League Cup and possible replay) so 14-15 midweeks wouldn't be massively different to the normal calendar when you factor the leasing games on top of the 6 or 7 usual midweek league games.
 

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For L1 and 2 the League Cup isn't a major issue as most teams (us especially!) only play 1 or 2 ties at most, but would certainly dump the leasing.com as thats 3 games + potentially 4 or 5 more which if scrapped would probably (assuming FA Cup R1 and 2 remain weekends) see only 2-3 cup midweeks on top max for most clubs. (League Cup and possible replay) so 14-15 midweeks wouldn't be massively different to the normal calendar when you factor the leasing games on top of the 6 or 7 usual midweek league games.
True, it's still potentially one or two games out the calendar though.

Clubs won't want to scrap the EFL Trophy, you don't even need fans to earn money in that (£20k for taking part, £10k win, £5k draw?) so it's a no-brainer keeping that from a financial point of view.
 

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True, it's still potentially one or two games out the calendar though.

Clubs won't want to scrap the EFL Trophy, you don't even need fans to earn money in that (£20k for taking part, £10k win, £5k draw?) so it's a no-brainer keeping that from a financial point of view.
To be fair most make big changes for it anyway, our reserves walloping Middlesboroughs kids or something won't affect too much. Might just tweak the rules on first teamers.
 

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All but confirmed that Russ Wilcox will be our manager for next year. Makes sense as he's the cheap option but god he is a terrible manager. Another lower mid table finish for us beckons.
 

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Sunderland and Portsmouth are the only ones making noises about being unhappy about the L1 cap at the minute, although I suspect Ipswich will join them (and probably Barnsley/Hull/Charlton etc if they come down).

The big problem is stopping creating an even bigger gap from L1 to the Championship than already is.
I didn’t think Ipswich had a pot to piss in?
 

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I didn’t think Ipswich had a pot to piss in?
Not sure, perhaps not by their standards but with 20k crowds I'm guessing they'd comfortably be able to afford more than £2.5m a year on wages, agent fees etc etc!
 

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For L1 and 2 the League Cup isn't a major issue as most teams (us especially!) only play 1 or 2 ties at most, but would certainly dump the leasing.com as thats 3 games + potentially 4 or 5 more which if scrapped would probably (assuming FA Cup R1 and 2 remain weekends) see only 2-3 cup midweeks on top max for most clubs. (League Cup and possible replay) so 14-15 midweeks wouldn't be massively different to the normal calendar when you factor the leasing games on top of the 6 or 7 usual midweek league games.
Just going back to this, I didn't realise until I've just read it that the League Cup accounts for 30% of the basic payments Clubs get, so that's certainly one to keep. That'll explain why there's no prize money and just gate receipts.
 

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True, it's still potentially one or two games out the calendar though.

Clubs won't want to scrap the EFL Trophy, you don't even need fans to earn money in that (£20k for taking part, £10k win, £5k draw?) so it's a no-brainer keeping that from a financial point of view.
Maybe they should do that trophy first, in september, big knockout style tournament whilst there's likely to be limitations on fans.

Then just smash through the league games from October.

That being said I'm getting a bit concerned that we'll be locked down again over winter.
 

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Our squad and staff had Covid testing this week and will return for pre season training next week it.

Ross Embleton basically said in an interview that the friendlies will be different as well, as we won't be able to play any non league sides yet due to testing regulations.
 

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It’s a bit weird how Scunthorpe bankrolling has hardly been mentioned on here.
 

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Scunny in £11m worth of debt. Yikes, I knew it was bad but that's ridiculous.
£11m worth of debt to our owner, the same way Brighton are £207M in debt to there's.
It’s a bit weird how Scunthorpe bankrolling has hardly been mentioned on here.
Because it didn't happen in L2? We overspent to get promoted to the Championship, failed, and then have begun to cut our losses and we didn't overspend last year.
 

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It’s a bit weird how Scunthorpe bankrolling has hardly been mentioned on here.
Not sure if this a serious comment or not mate. I've been investigating and exposing Scunthorpe's ridiculous over expenditure for years now.
£11m worth of debt to our owner, the same way Brighton are £207M in debt to there's.

Because it didn't happen in L2? We overspent to get promoted to the Championship, failed, and then have begun to cut our losses and we didn't overspend last year.
Oh come on, you still had a massive budget last season for this level. Your squad in August had about 30% more pros in it than most teams in the division. You didn't spend extra is what you mean. You came down with a big budget for L1 and didn't really sort it out until the Jan window.
 

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Not sure if this a serious comment or not mate. I've been investigating and exposing Scunthorpe's ridiculous over expenditure for years now.

Oh come on, you still had a massive budget last season for this level. Your squad in August had about 30% more pros in it than most teams in the division. You didn't spend extra is what you mean. You came down with a big budget for L1 and didn't really sort it out until the Jan window.
Our squad was inflated because we signed players for L1 who then underperformed and we couldn't shift them. But we pushed out the majority of our big earners, only really McArdle and Colclough remained for last season.
 

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Our squad was inflated because we signed players for L1 who then underperformed and we couldn't shift them. But we pushed out the majority of our big earners, only really McArdle and Colclough remained for last season.
The bulk of that was done in Jan though, wasn't it? It seemed like you came down and the plan was to pin hopes on the players that under performed in L1 being able to step up in L2 and then when that didn't happen there was no scope to bring anyone else in before offloading these high earners. As a result Swann swung his axe and you get rid of Paul Hurst, who was probably the best thing about the club at the time.

Do you think Swann is gonna stick to his guns and go for young, cheaper, lower down players or is he gonna get bored and up the budget? Swear he's said the purse strings are getting tightened before and it's never actually happened. You're in the same boat as us in terms of getting these youngsters in. You'll seldom be the only club interested and North/North East Lincs just isn't an inviting place for these players to come. I think you'll struggle to recruit the better players from the National League divisions.
 

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The bulk of that was done in Jan though, wasn't it? It seemed like you came down and the plan was to pin hopes on the players that under performed in L1 being able to step up in L2 and then when that didn't happen there was no scope to bring anyone else in before offloading these high earners. As a result Swann swung his axe and you get rid of Paul Hurst, who was probably the best thing about the club at the time.

Do you think Swann is gonna stick to his guns and go for young, cheaper, lower down players or is he gonna get bored and up the budget? Swear he's said the purse strings are getting tightened before and it's never actually happened. You're in the same boat as us in terms of getting these youngsters in. You'll seldom be the only club interested and North/North East Lincs just isn't an inviting place for these players to come. I think you'll struggle to recruit the better players from the National League divisions.
Well we offloaded a few in summer, our biggest earner was Cameron Burgess who went to Salford (on loan but they paid his wages). We then got rid of more in January. Hurst wasn't sacked really, he quit. Swann said we couldn't bring in anymore players until we sold somebody, Abo Eisa and Alex Gilliead were rumoured to leave to L1 clubs and Hurst didn't want that and he walked.

We will go for cheaper this year for sure, this has already been shown with him sticking with the cheap option in Russ Wilcox as manager even though it's clear he's not good enough. The purse strings are being tightened and we're gonna need to go back to what we used to do under our old chairman, sign an unwanted youngster (Billy Sharp, Gary Hooper) and then hopefully they perform and we sell them on for huge profits. I agree that Scunthorpe is hardly an inviting place for players to come which does make it difficult.
 

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I agree that Scunthorpe is hardly an inviting place for players to come which does make it difficult.
It isn't, but in fairness, after checking out both Scunthorpe and Grimsby on google streetview when bored off my tits the other month in lockdown and planning a big L2 away day list, if you had to go up round that way to work and live I'd much rather sign for Scunthorpe any day. Grimsby looked like Borat's home village in the 1800s. The clue is in the name really.
 

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I'm not sure it's that. A high amount of Clubs were against EPPP when it was about to be reintroduced but the PL effectively threatened to pull funding if it wasn't voted through.

True on Southampton. Crewe have always had a similar reputation to you in allowing younger lads to play football, which helps.
They're actually correct in what they're saying, it's pretty pointless having a youth set-up when there's EPPP.

Especially difficult up there with the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Everton near by.
We've also got a Cat B academy, which means we are entitled to more compo if a big club does pinch one of our young uns. We started down this road in the mid 80s and have stuck by it ever since. It requires patience and investment, it's no quick fix.
 

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The problem is that the EPPP compo even for cat B clubs is crap. People should pay the market fair price value. This system only benefits the mega rich.
 

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So with Yeovil not joining us next season our local derby is a 100 mile trip to another country. It just gets better and better
 

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So with Yeovil not joining us next season our local derby is a 100 mile trip to another country. It just gets better and better
You’ll be lucky. Can’t see any of you English being allowed into Dave anytime soon regardless of what Boris tells you. We’ve got a right fucking tool in charge in Cardiff Bay who’ll no doubt be trying to justify his existence.
 

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