Artificial Pitches

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I'm not sure I've read they were allowed.

I think Bromley have got it wrapped round their nuts unless I've missed something?
 

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I'm not sure I've read they were allowed.

I think Bromley have got it wrapped round their nuts unless I've missed something?
Maidstone are allowed to be promoted into the Conference South with their one now.

Here's the original announcement last summer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28589474

So I take it then that they're now saying the national league won't allow it, but the two regional ones will? Make it up as they go along.
 

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Making it up as they go along indeed.

I don't see the bee in people's bonnet about 3G, I really don't. :dk:
 

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Maidstone are allowed to be promoted into the Conference South with their one now.

Here's the original announcement last summer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28589474

So I take it then that they're now saying the national league won't allow it, but the two regional ones will? Make it up as they go along.
Yep, that's how the whole thing has been on artificial pitches all the way. Probably change it next season again to allow them if it goes well with the ones in the conference south at least.
 
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They should be reinstated in the football league sharpish. Seriously, the advancements in artificial pitch techology have been rapid and are so so different to the farcical pitches at Preston, Oldham, Luton and QPR in the 80s. I think it'd be brilliant for lower league teams revenue too.
 

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Not sure really, when we faced Woodley Sports & Durham in the Evo-Stik leagues the artificial pitches they had made for an appalling watch of football I felt.
 

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Yep, that's how the whole thing has been on artificial pitches all the way. Probably change it next season again to allow them if it goes well with the ones in the conference south at least.
Well the announcement in the link says: "The Football Conference will allow 3G pitches in all three divisions from the start of the 2015-16 season."

So, to me, it looks like they have changed their minds and that Bromley also believed it would be in all three divisions. Again, making it up as they go along it would appear.
 

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Personally I'm against artificial pitches, the bounce just isn't natural compared to grass and let's be honest it just doesn't look right.

Also, I believe the PFA had a body of evidence that artificial surfaces contributed to joint injuries due to the give in the surface?
 

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I think the trouble is that a lot of pitches at non-league level don't really consist of grass from November onwards.
 

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Well the announcement in the link says: "The Football Conference will allow 3G pitches in all three divisions from the start of the 2015-16 season."

So, to me, it looks like they have changed their minds and that Bromley also believed it would be in all three divisions. Again, making it up as they go along it would appear.
What I meant was that they kept changing their tune, agreeing with the "they make it up as they go along", should have put that bit in bold to highlight that was what I was replying to!
 

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Personally I'm against artificial pitches, the bounce just isn't natural compared to grass and let's be honest it just doesn't look right.

Also, I believe the PFA had a body of evidence that artificial surfaces contributed to joint injuries due to the give in the surface?
Which artificial pitches have you seen it on, and do they match the FIFA gradings?

I'm undecided. There are a lot of potential up sides, but I've not seen them in action a lot. If you can't use them in the FA Cup (proper rounds at least, but I anticipate that changing), or in the lower reaches of the Football League then it doesn't make sense to bother researching for most conference national clubs.
 

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Also, I believe the PFA had a body of evidence that artificial surfaces contributed to joint injuries due to the give in the surface?
Do they? then they are probably making it up. All the medical evidence I've ever seen says there is no noticeable difference in injury or fatigue to the body between grass and artificial surfaces. If injury was a factor at all the NFL would be ripping them up left right and centre, a game that is far more physically demanding than football.

I'm for them from an extra revenue and longevity perspective, especially further down the pyramid. When a dreadful winter hits, be it snow or rain, they would be a must.
 

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We played on 3G in the 1st round this season :)

Ahh I forgot about that, think the rule at the start of the season was that you couldn't? Or was that the previous year? Is it now up to a different round?
 

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I thought FA cup 3G pitches are allowed same for Trophy and Vase. What makes the current League stance (and Conference) more ridiculous is that FIFA allow 3G in all FIFA competitions, so the World Cup Final could be played on 3G but Bromley v Braintree couldn't.
 

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Football should be played on grass.
Or sand and mud in our case. If you stuck to that rule we would have to play all our home games in the first three and last two months of the season.

That is what makes me laugh in all this, The Conference/FL have this hign and mighty attitude towards artificial surfaces but sides like ourselves, Blackpool and Bradofrd (amongst others) are allowed to stage matches on surface that are not fit for putting cattle on. I don't like the idea of artificial surfaces but in some instances it would be better than what the clubs already have.
 

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Just read in the non league paper that the Conference have now given the ok for 3G in the Conference National :gr:
 

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I have to admit to a degree of scepticism about plastic pitches, but they seem to have come a long way since the type used by QPR and Luton back in the 80's. I watched the Germany versus Ivory Coast game this evening, in the Women's World Cup, that was played on a 3G pitch. Apart from the little clouds of black rubber, that came off the pitch sometimes when the ball was kicked, there wasn't much difference to a game played on grass. For some clubs a pitch like this would make perfect sense as it can be used far more often than a grass pitch, as there is presumably no recovery time between use, thus generating extra income.
 

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Don't really like artificial pitches, went to a game at Merthyr last season and the ball bounced weird among other things. the fact that one team would be used to this and the other turns up on the day and has to adapt to it so quick is massively unfair too
 

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Don't really like artificial pitches, went to a game at Merthyr last season and the ball bounced weird among other things. the fact that one team would be used to this and the other turns up on the day and has to adapt to it so quick is massively unfair too
When a grass pitch gets to the state it did at grounds such as Kiddy's and Dartford's last season, the ball does a lot more than bounce weirdly. There are a lot of clubs whose grass pitches just never stand up to the rigours of a season and even more so if there is another club ground-sharing. Even a club such as Bradford City in League 1 would benefit from having an artificial pitch.
 

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I remember during the mid 80s prenton park having a 2 metre square bald patch along the borough road side , if the ball bounced on this it used to shoot off at all strange angles and heights.... Like a 5th day cricket pitch in somewhere like india
 

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From personal experience of playing in leagues where teams used grass and artificial pitches, I will always vote for professional football to be played on grass. While there have certainly been huge advances in artificial pitches they still don't play the same as grass in my experience. The ball bounces differently, as well as this, from having friends who have studied sports science, I know there is research and that some club physio's and doctors recommend that certain players do not train on 3G pitches because the can aggravate certain old injuries. This is due to the base layer the surface is built upon, and once again from personal experience I always found 3G pitches to be more draining physically than grass.

This isn't to say that there aren't benefits to 3G, it certainly has improved massively since the 80's, provides a positive consistent surface and the revenues that can be brought into clubs from not having to cancel games through winter and renting the pitch out the rest of the time are a big plus to many clubs. But I hope in the long term that pitches remain grass based, I think the future lies in synthetic mix pitches such as the likes of Wembley, the emarites, old trafford etc. Rather than in full synthetic 3G pitches.
 

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From personal experience of playing in leagues where teams used grass and artificial pitches, I will always vote for professional football to be played on grass. While there have certainly been huge advances in artificial pitches they still don't play the same as grass in my experience. The ball bounces differently, as well as this, from having friends who have studied sports science, I know there is research and that some club physio's and doctors recommend that certain players do not train on 3G pitches because the can aggravate certain old injuries. This is due to the base layer the surface is built upon, and once again from personal experience I always found 3G pitches to be more draining physically than grass.

This isn't to say that there aren't benefits to 3G, it certainly has improved massively since the 80's, provides a positive consistent surface and the revenues that can be brought into clubs from not having to cancel games through winter and renting the pitch out the rest of the time are a big plus to many clubs. But I hope in the long term that pitches remain grass based, I think the future lies in synthetic mix pitches such as the likes of Wembley, the emarites, old trafford etc. Rather than in full synthetic 3G pitches.
Completely agree: 3G just doesn't bounce true and is absolutely terrible on joints.
 

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The plastic pitches at Durham and Woodley were injury central when they were in the same league. Also interesting that they both were vastly superior sides at home, while Woodley for one were tit awful away from home.
 

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