Athletic Article: League One and Two Seasons to be abandoned next week

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Denmark for example has no social distancing in schools at all and its still declining. No guarantees of course but as long as the vast majority use common sense then hopefully we can move past it.
Comparing Denmark to us is pointless, one nation has handled this crisis with a sensible degree of caution and can now, seemingly, reap the rewards, the other is like a three month episode of the Keystone Cops.
 

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Denmark for example has no social distancing in schools at all and its still declining. No guarantees of course but as long as the vast majority use common sense then hopefully we can move past it.
That isn't right, they operate in micro bubbles in schools, which is a form of social distancing.

On top of that they acted far quicker and contained the virus a lot better then us, which means lower community infection. Lower community infection means less chance of a rapid spread once public places start to reopen. Even in Korea they saw a small spike, and their handling of this has blown us out of the water. Their public are also way more disciplined.

Also agree that it's not that accurate to compare ourselves with places like Denmark. The US, Russia and Brazil are more similar to us in handling this.
 

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That isn't right, they operate in micro bubbles in schools, which is a form of social distancing.

On top of that they acted far quicker and contained the virus a lot better then us, which means lower community infection. Lower community infection means less chance of a rapid spread once public places start to reopen. Even in Korea they saw a small spike, and their handling of this has blown us out of the water. Their public are also way more disciplined.

Also agree that it's not that accurate to compare ourselves with places like Denmark. The US, Russia and Brazil are more similar.
OMG please don't compare us to the American's - has the average person really sunk that low....
 

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All those countries started by ignoring the threat, reacted too slowly, fucked up testing, failed to provide enough PPE and either gave up on contact tracing at a vital moment or didn't bother with it at all and are now rushing to reopen before infection rates are properly contained. Sound familiar?
 

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Its all about common sense, some are idiots but for example U45's are having a lower than average death rate for instance due to lockdown and less car accidents etc. so its about risk managing different groups.
 

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No new cases in London and South East suggesting that way more people than previously thought have already had it back in January/February.
I don't usually change the subject, but in January for about 4 days I felt like total, total crap with a fever after I came back from Cardiff for a day of ground hopping with 2 of my mates (yeah hopping mad!) - One of which came down with the same symptoms I did. We managed to fight it off quickly though.

My dad had an operation in early March just before all this kicked off and was in hospital at London Barts for 2 days, when came out he was ill with the worst cough I'd ever heard as well as a fever for about 2 weeks - the doctors said it was an unusual reaction to to procedure he had done. He managed to fight it off though.

If he did get it, he passed it to my mum who then passed it to my sister and her husband - they both had the same symptoms my dad did and were both out of action for a whole week. Again all this was around 7th March.

So your point could well be true.
 

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I don't usually change the subject, but in January for about 4 days I felt like total, total crap with a fever after I came back from Cardiff for a day of ground hopping with 2 of my mates (yeah hopping mad!) - One of which came down with the same symptoms I did. We managed to fight it off quickly though.

My dad had an operation in early March just before all this kicked off and was in hospital at London Barts for 2 days, when came out he was ill with the worst cough I'd ever heard as well as a fever for about 2 weeks - the doctors said it was an unusual reaction to to procedure he had done. He managed to fight it off though.

If he did get it, he passed it to my mum who then passed it to my sister and her husband - they both had the same symptoms my dad did and were both out of action for a whole week. Again all this was around 7th March.

So your point could well be true.
A lot of people were ill with symptoms around December/January with a cough that was persistent, although the initial tests for antibodies i think suggested 5% have had it of the general population haven't they?

Sure i read something that in the USA their flu rates were bad last winter and standard anti-biotics were not working how they'd expect so you never know.
 

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A lot of people were ill with symptoms around December/January with a cough that was persistent, although the initial tests for antibodies i think suggested 5% have had it of the general population haven't they?

Sure i read something that in the USA their flu rates were bad last winter and standard anti-biotics were not working how they'd expect so you never know.
France had at least 1 confirmed covid death in December after samples were tested for it and Northern Italy had a lot of cases and deaths of an "unexplained Pneumonia like disease" as far back as November.. so it's been around longer than we think.
 
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A friend of mine returned from the UK in February and within a week we both had a 3 week cough and feeling breathless - although I didn’t really feel ill as such, just lethargic.

Who knows.
 
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A lot of people were ill with symptoms around December/January with a cough that was persistent, although the initial tests for antibodies i think suggested 5% have had it of the general population haven't they?

Sure i read something that in the USA their flu rates were bad last winter and standard anti-biotics were not working how they'd expect so you never know.
Antibiotics inhibit bacteria. Flu, influenza, is a virus. Antibiotics do nothing for viruses.

/pedant.
 

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despite how the pictures look I was at a beach yesterday and pretty much everyone was 2 metre plus apart (all be it not a major resort).
Yeah I think those beach shots in the media have been from a deceptive angle. Strolled along Torquay seafront yesterday and the beach was as busy as you'd expect for any normal sunny May bank holiday but there was easily 2m between people. Mind you the tide was out so that may have changed as it started to come back in later.
 

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All those countries started by ignoring the threat, reacted too slowly, fucked up testing, failed to provide enough PPE and either gave up on contact tracing at a vital moment or didn't bother with it at all and are now rushing to reopen before infection rates are properly contained. Sound familiar?
Apart from Sweden. Who follows the exact linear data that we do, as do the Netherlands, despite following completely different protocol. Your witchhunt is almost embarrassing
 

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A friend of mine returned from the UK in February and within a week we both had a 3 week cough and feeling breathless - although I didn’t really feel ill as such, just lethargic.

Who knows.
You don't know, that's for sure. If none of this happened you'd have put it down as a simple 'winter flu' ffs, if you went this time last year others would pinpoint a time they had a bit of a cough.
 

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A friend of mine returned from the UK in February and within a week we both had a 3 week cough and feeling breathless - although I didn’t really feel ill as such, just lethargic.

Who knows.
I had an extremely bad bout of flu back in late November which lasted in to December. I stayed at home because I absolutely didn’t want to spread it to anyone else, but had a chest infection at the end so had antibiotics, which means I was home for 3 weeks.

My partner also did, and while he’s seen many of his colleagues getting ill over the last few months, he’s been ok and been able to work throughout.

I’m very much thinking now that covid-19 has been around a lot longer than we originally thought.
 

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I know this sounds a bit like jumping on the band-wagon, given the comments above, but I also experienced some of the symptoms a few weeks before we went into lockdown. I lost my sense of taste and smell for a few days, had a sore throat (but no cough) and felt totally run-down. In retrospect I think that I might have had the virus too, but have been one of the lucky ones. I watched a Horizon documentary the other night, when they listed all the factors that put you at greater risk (they expressed them as multipliers). The only one I hit against was age and I reckon that I'm fairly fit and healthy, which also may count in my favour.
 

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I think it’s now virtually only the very old and those with underlying health issues who need really worry.

I’m in the ‘problem’ group, being 65 and with high blood pressure - but, ffs, you’ve got to die from something!
I mean dying of a cardiac arrest as your body shuts down whilst a ventilator is pushing a breath into your knackered lungs at its highest possible pressure settings two weeks after you last saw any family or friends wouldn’t be my choice of death but each to their own.
 

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Neither do I. But my comment was about me probably being nearer the exit than most on here and that I don’t want to spend much of it having to cower at home waiting for the Covid Grim Reaper to find me. If he wants me he knows where I am.
 

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I know this sounds a bit like jumping on the band-wagon, given the comments above, but I also experienced some of the symptoms a few weeks before we went into lockdown. I lost my sense of taste and smell for a few days, had a sore throat (but no cough) and felt totally run-down. In retrospect I think that I might have had the virus too, but have been one of the lucky ones. I watched a Horizon documentary the other night, when they listed all the factors that put you at greater risk (they expressed them as multipliers). The only one I hit against was age and I reckon that I'm fairly fit and healthy, which also may count in my favour.
May well have been the case but guess until the antibody tests are widely available we won’t know who’s had it but should then give a good picture of the scale. France had a case a couple of months before the believed date I think i read.
 

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May well have been the case but guess until the antibody tests are widely available we won’t know who’s had it but should then give a good picture of the scale. France had a case a couple of months before the believed date I think i read.
They've (France) found old cases from December that they have checked samples from that have tested positive. Italy had a lot of unexplained Pneumonia like deaths as far back as November - that was reported in one of the Singapore newspapers a couple of months ago - but the report never saw the light of day over here.
 

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They've (France) found old cases from December that they have checked samples from that have tested positive. Italy had a lot of unexplained Pneumonia like deaths as far back as November - that was reported in one of the Singapore newspapers a couple of months ago - but the report never saw the light of day over here.
At work my colleague had a cough for ages! couldn't shift it just before Xmas, then we mostly had "flue" illnesses so it is possible. If the case it leads to wonder when and how did it come about.
 

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Someone on our forum has said playoff semis are to be held 16th and 23rd June with the final on 30th. Not sure how accurate this is though as I can't see it mentioned anywhere else.
 

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Someone on our forum has said playoff semis are to be held 16th and 23rd June with the final on 30th. Not sure how accurate this is though as I can't see it mentioned anywhere else.
You guys even back in training yet? Is literally going to be straight back into competitive games if that quick?
 

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Apart from Sweden. Who follows the exact linear data that we do, as do the Netherlands, despite following completely different protocol. Your witchhunt is almost embarrassing
No witchunt, just don't think our country has handled this particularly well when compared to most other European countries. The Germans are doing embarrassingly better then us.

Neither the Dutch or the Swedes have been that successful in limiting their death tolls either.

There are protests in Sweden and lots of criticism over their handling of the virus. Their death toll is by far the highest in Scandinavia. Not a great country to compare us too.
 

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No witchunt, just don't think our country has handled this particularly well when compared to most other European countries. The Germans are doing embarrassingly better then us.

Neither the Dutch or the Swedes have been that successful in limiting their death tolls either.

There are protests in Sweden and lots of criticism over their handling of the virus. Their death toll is by far the highest in Scandinavia. Not a great country to compare us too.
The Swedes didn't enforce lockdown did they? Was always a gamble that although dont believe they have come off much if at all worse than us.

Germany benefited from a great testing system which is where we got caught out and many other countries, they basically managed very early on to isolate it from getting to the elderly and vulnerable using tests once they realised it came from skiers in Italy.

The BAME issue is one that needs looking at too, why have they been hit so hard? Obviously being very multicultural as a nation with a high BAME population may have impacted our figures too as their death rate is far higher for whatever reason and of course population density... you have to also bear in mind our density is probably actually higher for most people than the national figure as huge swathes of Scotland and the far north are wilderness and the majority of people in the UK live within a box around 250 miles from London to Hull and 100 or so miles to Bristol and up to Liverpool.

So many factors it is very hard to compare countries.
 

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Regarding BAME - surely their culture of having extended family living all in one house would have exacerbated the spread. Whereas the traditional British way is to bundle the old folk off into a home when they become a burden.
 

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The excess deaths is bad and probably a result of the way the policies were handled than actual Coronavirus as people stopped going hospital for other ailments due to fear or feeling like a burden on the health services.

I think the lack of clear guidance didn't help at all. Everything has been vague or open to interpretation in area's.
 

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