Athletic Article: League One and Two Seasons to be abandoned next week

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So Luton players in Championship have taken a wage deferral backdated to 1st May, but some interesting comments from our CEO on the PFA:

“I think the guidance the players got from the PFA has been pretty haphazard and quite unprofessional, because they have given authority for some clubs to go with deferrals with their squads, but other clubs not.

“We had to go through a process of demonstrating our financial statements and cash flows to Deloitte on behalf of the PFA, in order to get their approval to recommend that to the players.

“As a player, if you’re signed up to what is effectively one of the strongest unions in the world, you’re going to have to listen to them, so I don’t blame the players as much as I do the PFA.

“I’ve been having trouble with them for weeks now so it’s not a problem to me, but I’m pleased it is sorted and it will need to be an ongoing conversation, of course.

“We don’t know what’s happening in terms of unlocking protocols for the nation in a month’s time, so we have to follow those guidelines and ultimately the objective here is for us to financially get to a position where we are safely playing in front of a crowd again.”
 
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Put my head above the parapet on this one I think but.....I like Gary Sweet a lot but im a little uneasy at someone in his position having a go at a union, even if it is one for professional footballers.

Sounds like the PFA have taken the approach of reviewing clubs individually to see if they can pay the wages and are just taking advantage of a situation to either furlough or force their members to take a cut, or if there is a genuine need to take a cut to ensure the long term viability of the business.

I know footballers are paid well but that seems quite fair to me, pretty sure the same thing has happened at my workplace for unionised workers, so dont see why it should be different for the players. Its literally what the union is for.

Plenty of issues with the PFA - first among them Gordon Taylor ridiculous salary but in this case I think they are doing what they are supposed to for their members.
 

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You guys even back in training yet? Is literally going to be straight back into competitive games if that quick?
Back in training on Monday, so only two weeks to prepare after nearly three months off! Have to say after this long it's hard to get too excited about tbh, let's just get it done and get on with next season.
 

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Put my head above the parapet on this one I think but.....I like Gary Sweet a lot but im a little uneasy at someone in his position having a go at a union, even if it is one for professional footballers.

Sounds like the PFA have taken the approach of reviewing clubs individually to see if they can pay the wages and are just taking advantage of a situation to either furlough or force their members to take a cut, or if there is a genuine need to take a cut to ensure the long term viability of the business.

I know footballers are paid well but that seems quite fair to me, pretty sure the same thing has happened at my workplace for unionised workers, so dont see why it should be different for the players. Its literally what the union is for.

Plenty of issues with the PFA - first among them Gordon Taylor ridiculous salary but in this case I think they are doing what they are supposed to for their members.
Yeah, reminds me of the stick Mesut Ozil got for asking the perfectly reasonable question of what Arsenal, a club owned by a billionaire, are going to do with the money they save by him taking a wage cut. He got crucified in the press for that as if Arsenal were planning to use the money to buy PPE for nurses, but it was a perfectly reasonable question, you aren't making a worthwhile sacrifice if all that happens is your employer gets richer as a result.
 

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With the extended costs of of keeping staff going etc I wonder if the 3 sides who lose out in the playoffs this season will really struggle next.
 

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With the extended costs of of keeping staff going etc I wonder if the 3 sides who lose out in the playoffs this season will really struggle next.
I'm sure we can all have a whip-round to cover Exeter's expenses if them winning it means we won't have to listed to Devon Lad next season.
 

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True was thinking of PL and Championship.
Well same applies? The teams in the championship playoffs finalists already know who’s down from the prem before?

There must be an ideal finish time for when the season is concluded (taking into account the fa cup final is1st August) you’d assume you’d want them finished for then
 

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FA cup final on the 1st August?

Is the plan to start 20/21 in September then? Gonna be a tight squeeze with the Euros in June 21. If there's a second wave of Covid during flu season it might force another break. I would try and get 20/21 going asap tbh. Play as many games as poss early in the season and scrap the league cup and EFL trophy.
 

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FA cup final on the 1st August?

Is the plan to start 20/21 in September then? Gonna be a tight squeeze with the Euros in June 21. If there's a second wave of Covid during flu season it might force another break. I would try and get 20/21 going asap tbh. Play as many games as poss early in the season and scrap the league cup and EFL trophy.
Maybe that’s why the leagues might operate differently. There obviously isn’t the massive need for leagues 1 and 2 to be completely by the time of the euros (wouldn’t be ideal but clubs could get over it) whereas obviously the prem and championship would need to be concluded in time for the Euros.
 

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Surely all the leagues have to finish together ?
Don't think so, there's nothing to stop them sorting other leagues out one at at a time. They could have squared L2 away by now as they want to stop the season so that's an easy one to sort. Championship want to carry on so they could have left that to run its course and L1 should have been sorted by now as well, it's been dragging on for weeks.
 

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Maybe that’s why the leagues might operate differently. There obviously isn’t the massive need for leagues 1 and 2 to be completely by the time of the euros (wouldn’t be ideal but clubs could get over it) whereas obviously the prem and championship would need to be concluded in time for the Euros.
Thing for the Prem clubs is that they'll lose more TV money if they don't play a 38 game season won't they?
 

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Vote on Tuesday, then.

One of the points raised by us, which is a minor but important correction is that PPG should be calculated on points won for teams who've had deductions rather than their points total at the time the season stopped i.e. Bolton's PPG should be calculated on the 26 points they've won this season rather than the 14 it's showing on the table due to their -12. Doesn't make any difference in Bolton's case in terms of league position but it will help Macclesfield's case if they get another deduction and fall below Stevenage.

Tranmere's idea seems to be getting scoffed at by most. I'm not sure why they've done it over 3 seasons and not, say, 5 or 10? In any event, their proposal, which Posh have jumped on the back on, would expand the PO's in L1 to 8 teams (Rotherham down to Ipswich I think?) with Coventry up, Bolton and Southend down, and Tranmere saved, resulting in a 25 team L1. Apparently there would need to be a 90% vote to expand L1 for a season, which is unlikely I suspect.

Portsmouth have already said they won't back those plans, which is no surprise. Why would those teams who'd get into the PO's on PPG then back a variant of the PPG calculation that sees their chances of promotion half from 25% to 12.5%? Makes no sense.

I know the Championship are planning on playing on, but if Tranmere's logic was applied there, the PO's would be contested between 1st place Leeds on 71 points, all the way down to Derby in 12th on 51 points apparently!

In L2, I'm not sure how it'd work either because PO teams have been training and gone through their testing for, what, 10-14 days weeks now? There'd be an increase from 4 to 9 teams.
 

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At least with 4 team play offs there’s only 3 games to be played. Personally, I can’t see any POs in L1/2 - and if there were there would be a big financial penalty to be paid by the participants, no matter who ‘wins’. The costs will be a huge drag on next season’s finances, too.
 

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I’m not sure I fully understand Tranmere’s proposal. Are they suggesting they join the League 2 play offs? Or are they suggesting they they stay up, period?
 

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I’m not sure I fully understand Tranmere’s proposal. Are they suggesting they join the League 2 play offs? Or are they suggesting they they stay up, period?
I might be wrong, but I think in L2 Swindon go up automatically and then the next 8 clubs compete in an extended play offs.

Sounds a real winner that one!
 

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I’m not sure I fully understand Tranmere’s proposal. Are they suggesting they join the League 2 play offs? Or are they suggesting they they stay up, period?
Stay up full stop.

They're applying a margin of error to the PPG and saying, for example, if you're in the relegation zone after both calculations (PPG and PPG with margin for error) you should be relegated but if you're in the relegation zone for only one of the two calculations then you should get the benefit of the doubt and stay up. The same applies at the top of the league as well, so Coventry I believe would go up, and Rotherham be in an expanded PO.

Nicola Palios seems to think that expanding the L1 PO format as suggested via their method increases the participants chances from 1/4 to 1/3.5, which I've got to be honest, I don't understand so I must be missing something really stupid (as must be Portsmouth because they've said they won't be voting for it).

Worth pointing out that their suggestion, along with others, is for each league to decide for themselves so each league doesn't have to do the same.
 

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Stay up full stop.

They're applying a margin of error to the PPG and saying, for example, if you're in the relegation zone after both calculations (PPG and PPG with margin for error) you should be relegated but if you're in the relegation zone for only one of the two calculations then you should get the benefit of the doubt and stay up. The same applies at the top of the league as well, so Coventry I believe would go up, and Rotherham be in an expanded PO.

Nicola Palios seems to think that expanding the L1 PO format as suggested via their method increases the participants chances from 1/4 to 1/3.5, which I've got to be honest, I don't understand so I must be missing something really stupid (as must be Portsmouth because they've said they won't be voting for it).

Worth pointing out that their suggestion, along with others, is for each league to decide for themselves so each league doesn't have to do the same.
I do get that PPG is unfair on Tranmere. However, their new proposal allows them to stay up, without having to fight for it. They have been in the bottom 3 for pretty much the entire season, and this is clearly designed as their get out of jail free card. I could get behind a proposal that would see them join an expanded League 2 playoff, for example, but not this (and I do understand that their proposal will probably not effect league 2, as it will surely be voted down).

My stance is this. Coronavirus is shit, and has screwed over millions of people. It is a completely unforeseen circumstance, and you have to make the best of a bad situation. If the season needs to be voided, PPG is as fair as any proposal I have seen. We have played over 3/4 of the season, so we have a pretty good idea of the movers and shakers. Don’t award failure.
 

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Why would tranmere said to expand the playoffs when the league have already said any playoffs will involve the regular number of teams?

I actually do feel for them but they’re just going to have to sit down and accept their medicine on this one, same goes for Peterborough
 

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