First sacking of the season...

[blade1889]

He'll keep you up and give you some good cup runs. Not sure what else Donny can expect to be honest...

 

[Rammy]

He'll keep you up and give you some good cup runs. Not sure what else Donny can expect to be honest...

And sign a shit load of Burton, Derby, and Sheff Utd rejects. At least his newsagent brother will find a couple of decent Scottish players though.

 

[SkyBlueElephant]

This a club who pushed Warburton out of the door for being very successful, now that was a crazy decision. Brentford started poorly so todays decision is just standard for the football league now.

We had Carsley as caretaker manager for 5 or 6 games a few years back and all he done was hoofed it every game.

 

[blade1889]

Carsley was apparently one of the reasons Weir wasn't a success with us. He was apparently a bit of a dictator who the players took an immediate dislike to. Also Weir was gash but I suspect Carsley didn't help

 

[Hooped Wizard]

He'll keep you up and give you some good cup runs. Not sure what else Donny can expect to be honest...

Erm... the championship seen as that's where we've spent the majority of the last 10 years in?

Baffling post.

 

[MagpieBee]

Well, two bizarre decisions by all accounts apart from the Brentford fans and board...

The decision to let Warbs go made sense, he didn't want to go the same way as the club, and by all accounts some of his decisions cost us a lot last season. (I still love Warbs though, definitely the best manager I've ever seen, and would take him back any day if he could work with the current owner).

This decision makes no sense to me though. I can't see it being any of the following:

Player Power - players not liking the training methods, it sets a very dangerous precedent, unless something was very wrong, which I doubt as it would have been apparent before we hired Marinus, I can't imagine we'd let the players dictate to this extent.

Poor Results - we were told repeatedly before the season started that he would be given time to get used to the league, and that he wouldn't be sacked in the first 15 games if results were poor. I can't imagine we could sack someone after 8 games, with the injuries we have had (10 players out of the last game, 12 at one point out of 24) and losing some key players right at the end of the summer window. Add in losing your pitch after one game, and both training pitches at the training ground being out of action as well, and it's clear Marinus has been working with a serious handicap!

Poor Knowledge of / Adaptability to England - this is a manager we spent 6 months recruiting, who we had spoken to pretty much as soon as it was announced Warbs was leaving, and who had a full pre-season with us, surely this shouldn't be a factor?

Poor Tactics / Decisions in Games - We've conceded first in 8 out of 9 games this season, but on a number of occasions Marinus showed he could change a game around, or get us back into the game, with his substitutions and tactical changes. He was also willing to adopt a Plan B or C if it would change a game, and frequently it would in the right direction, even if we coudln't pull it back to a win.

Training Methods leading to injuries - There are some reports that the he might have been being blamed for some of the player injuries, which is absolutely ridiculous. Sure it isn't this.

Media Presence - some reports suggest that the club are unhappy that he has been so "honest" in interviews with the press. I thought he came across very well, and it was a nice change to have some actual answers for once as opposed to the often repetitive Warburton press conferences. I can't imagine it is this though as we had a fans forum the other day where quite a few members of the panel and management team were being very honest in some of their answers.


Unfortunately the only things I can think that are left is that something serious has happened, an incident that would warrant an individual being sacked regardless of how well they are doing otherwise, or the owner has been meddling too much in the way the team is being run, and Marinus didn't want to put up with it.

I have no idea which of the above it might be, but I worry that it is the latter. Quite a few rumours suggesting that Benham has been trying to influence team selections and formations, as well as Marinus being told he couldn't appoint Dean captain. I really hope it isn't this, but I can't think what else it would be.

Also just realised how long this post is, I'll shut up now.

 

[blade1889]

Erm... the championship seen as that's where we've spent the majority of the last 10 years in?

Baffling post.

Back to where you belong though really. Yeovil were in the championship a couple of seasons ago, doesn't mean they should expect to be there

 

[Hooped Wizard]

Back to where you belong though really. Yeovil were in the championship a couple of seasons ago, doesn't mean they should expect to be there

Why is it always fans of clubs who used to be ok about a decade ago who say this?

That is so unambitious, Wigan managed 8 years in the premier league, ourselves five in league one. Back to where we belong is just a ridiculous embarrassing notion. What's wrong with expecting better? We don't want to be a mid table league one side

Also I never said we should expect to be there, are you from a broken family by any chance? Because you seem a little thick.

 

[blade1889]

Why is it always fans of clubs who used to be ok about a decade ago who say this?

That is so unambitious, Wigan managed 8 years in the premier league, ourselves five in league one. Back to where we belong is just a ridiculous embarrassing notion. What's wrong with expecting better? We don't want to be a mid table league one side

Also I never said we should expect to be there, are you from a broken family by any chance? Because you seem a little thick.

You expect better than Nigel Clough? Right now he'd be a good option.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

You expect better than Nigel Clough? Right now he'd be a good option.

I presume your basing that on him getting you from relegation certainties to mid table? Yes I'd agree. I'd probably have him till the end of the season.

But long term he'd be rubbish. Derby stagnated under his tenure, he signed the likes of Tyson and Theo Robinson. They have flourished since his sacking.

 

[Walkley_Owl]

The decision to let Warbs go made sense, he didn't want to go the same way as the club, and by all accounts some of his decisions cost us a lot last season. (I still love Warbs though, definitely the best manager I've ever seen, and would take him back any day if he could work with the current owner).

This decision makes no sense to me though. I can't see it being any of the following:

Player Power - players not liking the training methods, it sets a very dangerous precedent, unless something was very wrong, which I doubt as it would have been apparent before we hired Marinus, I can't imagine we'd let the players dictate to this extent.

Poor Results - we were told repeatedly before the season started that he would be given time to get used to the league, and that he wouldn't be sacked in the first 15 games if results were poor. I can't imagine we could sack someone after 8 games, with the injuries we have had (10 players out of the last game, 12 at one point out of 24) and losing some key players right at the end of the summer window. Add in losing your pitch after one game, and both training pitches at the training ground being out of action as well, and it's clear Marinus has been working with a serious handicap!

Poor Knowledge of / Adaptability to England - this is a manager we spent 6 months recruiting, who we had spoken to pretty much as soon as it was announced Warbs was leaving, and who had a full pre-season with us, surely this shouldn't be a factor?

Poor Tactics / Decisions in Games - We've conceded first in 8 out of 9 games this season, but on a number of occasions Marinus showed he could change a game around, or get us back into the game, with his substitutions and tactical changes. He was also willing to adopt a Plan B or C if it would change a game, and frequently it would in the right direction, even if we coudln't pull it back to a win.

Training Methods leading to injuries - There are some reports that the he might have been being blamed for some of the player injuries, which is absolutely ridiculous. Sure it isn't this.

Media Presence - some reports suggest that the club are unhappy that he has been so "honest" in interviews with the press. I thought he came across very well, and it was a nice change to have some actual answers for once as opposed to the often repetitive Warburton press conferences. I can't imagine it is this though as we had a fans forum the other day where quite a few members of the panel and management team were being very honest in some of their answers.


Unfortunately the only things I can think that are left is that something serious has happened, an incident that would warrant an individual being sacked regardless of how well they are doing otherwise, or the owner has been meddling too much in the way the team is being run, and Marinus didn't want to put up with it.

I have no idea which of the above it might be, but I worry that it is the latter. Quite a few rumours suggesting that Benham has been trying to influence team selections and formations, as well as Marinus being told he couldn't appoint Dean captain. I really hope it isn't this, but I can't think what else it would be.

Also just realised how long this post is, I'll shut up now.

Cracking post fella.

I was impressed with the big lad in centre midfield for you Saturday, was everywhere and won everything.

 

[Mansfield_Ram]

I presume your basing that on him getting you from relegation certainties to mid table? Yes I'd agree. I'd probably have him till the end of the season.

But long term he'd be rubbish. Derby stagnated under his tenure, he signed the likes of Tyson and Theo Robinson. They have flourished since his sacking.

Yet still kept us up.

Since clough left we've spent millions. The core of the team that has done so well was signed or brought through the youth team by clough. He has his flaws and my god we saw some shit football but when we look back at the players we had here, under the budget, it's a surprise we survived. Most players are playing a league below now as well which shows something.

 

[Rammy]

Most players are playing a league below now as well which shows something.

Yeah, it shows they've got older.

 

[Ciderhead]

Two strange decisions on the face of it. Hope our board don't look at what's happened today and panic

 

[Camborne Gills]

So we can start to like Rotherham again, and soon hate Donny with a passion?

 

[toshj]

Player Power - players not liking the training methods, it sets a very dangerous precedent, unless something was very wrong, which I doubt as it would have been apparent before we hired Marinus, I can't imagine we'd let the players dictate to this extent.

Training Methods leading to injuries - There are some reports that the he might have been being blamed for some of the player injuries, which is absolutely ridiculous. Sure it isn't this.

Unfortunately the only things I can think that are left is that something serious has happened, an incident that would warrant an individual being sacked regardless of how well they are doing otherwise, or the owner has been meddling too much in the way the team is being run, and Marinus didn't want to put up with it.

I have no idea which of the above it might be, but I worry that it is the latter. Quite a few rumours suggesting that Benham has been trying to influence team selections and formations, as well as Marinus being told he couldn't appoint Dean captain. I really hope it isn't this, but I can't think what else it would be.

The rumours that Benham was meddling are completely unfounded. So much so that the local journalist who created the fictitious argument has since removed the language from his article.

Your first point of "Player Power" is correct in some aspects, but it wasn't just the players who were upset. At the point whereby the players' ability/fitness/careers are potentially being harmed by the inadequacy of the training standards, I wouldn't refer to the movement as "player power" but more of a general unease and shock around the club.

Having heard a bit more information this afternoon, it seems as if the decision to remove Dijkhuizen was hasty but is probably the correct one in both the short and long term success of the club.

 

[mpmbee]

Pretty brutal move from the club but if they didn't think it was going to work out with Marinus long term then it was probably best to get rid now. He will be gutted but will have learnt a huge amount in his short time in England aswell as earning himself a nice payout no doubt.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Erm... the championship seen as that's where we've spent the majority of the last 10 years in?

Baffling post.

Please, you have spent 5 of the last 50+ years in the Championship, and when you were here you were just making up the numbers before your impending relegation. Not sure why you'd be against Nigel Clough, little ol' Donny could do a lot worse.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

Please, you have spent 5 of the last 50+ years in the Championship, and when you were here you were just making up the numbers before your impending relegation. Not sure why you'd be against Nigel Clough, little ol' Donny could do a lot worse.

Oh dear.

A Wolves fan calling another club little is rather hilarious.

 

[KevinMcallister]

Oh dear.

A Wolves fan calling another club little is rather hilarious.

why is it? Wolves are probably the 4th or 5th biggest club in the champs

do one, this isn't league 1, how's the football going down there, I thought you were gonna tear it up Wazard?

 

[Hooped Wizard]

why is it? Wolves are probably the 4th or 5th biggest club in the champs

do one, this isn't league 1, how's the football going down there, I thought you were gonna tear it up Wazard?

The thought of wolves been bigger than us is just hilarious.

We are simply the biggest club in the world.

 

[JJH]

The thought of wolves been bigger than us is just hilarious.

We are simply the biggest club in the world.

He's got a point.

 

[HertsWolf]

He's got a point.

He does.

Doncaster are the new Rotherham.

 

[HertsWolf]

The thought of wolves been bigger than us is just hilarious.

We are simply the biggest club in the world.

For fuck's sake, it's "being", not "been". Jesus! I could put up with the aggrandisement of a Yorkshire railway station town's mediocre club by a deluded fan, but get the fucking grammar sorted! Where did you spend those crucial years between the ages of 5 and 16? Clearly you are a massive, massive football club, the likes of which few of us have witnessed, but couldn't they have also invested in some fucking teachers too?

 

[Camborne Gills]

You actually expect Northers to speak and write properly?

 

[Walkley_Owl]

You actually expect Northers to speak and write properly?

Is that irony?

 

[SF_]

Those bastard Northers.

 

[Camborne Gills]

Is that irony?

Might be

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

You ain't never gonna to get em speaking proper Camborne.
Leave it geez, it ain't worth the agg!

 

[Camborne Gills]

Oh dear. I seemed to have moved to Cambridgeshire