Germanwings Co-Pilot Reported As Crashing Plane Deliberately

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday appeared to want to "destroy the plane", French officials said.

Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin, citing information from the "black box" voice recorder, said the co-pilot was alone in the cockpit.

He intentionally started a descent while the pilot was locked out.

Mr Robin said there was "absolute silence in the cockpit" as the pilot fought to re-enter it.

However, passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added.

The co-pilot, now named as Andreas Lubitz, 28, was alive until the final impact, the prosecutor said.
Suicide is not something to be mocked of course, and if someone feels there is no way out and is driven to it then they have my full sympathy, it really must be a terrible place to be. But why would someone in that position feel the need to do it as the pilot of a plane with hundreds of passengers, including children? I'm hoping it's a mistake but if not what a fucking terribly selfish act.
 

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Diabolical. Can't understand the thought process, like you said... take your own life not hundreds of others with you.

Sick.
 

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Lets just hope they can find some evidence amongst Lubitz's personal possessions to suggest why he did what he did. I mean, an aircraft fault/pilot error/terrorism would be easier to accept if I was one of the families. But an apparent suicide, with no way of knowing why he crashed the plane? That would be hard to get closure on.

The guy I feel for most is the pilot(although he is also dead so perhaps that sentiment is a bit wasted). Those last few moments of his life must have been horrific, trying desperately to get into the cockpit and stop the plane crashing. Incredibly opportunistic by Lubitz mind, there is no way he could have accounted for the pilot leaving the cockpit as he did.
 

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I understand that completely being someone who's been on medication for a number of years. What I'm saying is that if he's decided that's his only way out, why has he chosen such a way that kills and affects so many others?

Suicide as a result of mental illness, I fully understand. Adding murder to that aswell (which this is, without question) - why? I appreciate that people in this mindset don't think rationally etc but he's done two seperate things here despite them being both under the same action and it cannot just be lumped under "mental illness."
 
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I understand that completely being someone who's been on medication for a number of years. What I'm saying is that if he's decided that's his only way out, why has he chosen such a way that kills and affects so many others?

Suicide as a result of mental illness, I fully understand. Adding murder to that aswell (which this is, without question) - why? I appreciate that people in this mindset don't think rationally etc but he's done two seperate things here despite them being both under the same action and it cannot just be lumped under "mental illness."
A lot of it is speculation though.
I know, it's unfathomable. It is very, very horrible and very, very dark.
 

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I just hope one way or another a full verified explanation comes out to give the families a little hope of being able to find closure, eventually.

Gahhhhh. Grim reading.
 

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I understand that completely being someone who's been on medication for a number of years. What I'm saying is that if he's decided that's his only way out, why has he chosen such a way that kills and affects so many others?

Suicide as a result of mental illness, I fully understand. Adding murder to that aswell (which this is, without question) - why? I appreciate that people in this mindset don't think rationally etc but he's done two seperate things here despite them being both under the same action and it cannot just be lumped under "mental illness."
because people contemplating taking their own lives aren't in a good frame of mind, so some wouldn't think of their consequences would have on others.
 

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because people contemplating taking their own lives aren't in a good frame of mind, so some wouldn't think of their consequences would have on others.
I'm sorry but I'm struggling to buy that. I can't see how someone would be so determined to end their own life that the life and death consequences for others would be an irrelevance, especially with this amount of people involved. And even if it was possible for someone to be in that state of mind, surely some form of indicative behaviour would have been evident and noticed by the pilot or other members of the crew prior to it being carried out.

I notice airlines are starting to come out and say from now on at least two people must be in the cockpit at all times. I would have thought that was the case with this type of flight anyway.
 

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Lufthansa CEO Carsten Spohr has described the entry mechanism of the cockpit door.

"There is another code you can enter at the door which will lead to a bell ringing and if nobody reacts, the door will open automatically and allow entry," he said.

But he added that this can be blocked from the cockpit by pushing a switch that will lock the door for five minutes.

"Either the captain didn't enter the code correctly - which we find unlikely because everybody involved knows this code by heart - or the colleague had entered the code and the co-pilot prevented the door from opening by pushing the lock switch," said Mr Spohr.

Looking more and more likely to have been deliberate.
 

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I'm sorry but I'm struggling to buy that. I can't see how someone would be so determined to end their own life that the life and death consequences for others would be an irrelevance, especially with this amount of people involved. And even if it was possible for someone to be in that state of mind, surely some form of indicative behaviour would have been evident and noticed by the pilot or other members of the crew prior to it being carried out.

I notice airlines are starting to come out and say from now on at least two people must be in the cockpit at all times. I would have thought that was the case with this type of flight anyway.
well it's happend numerous times before (suicide by pilot) where the mental health of a crew member has been missed either by mistake or that there simply weren't any signs, perhaps the pilot decided suddenly to take his/her own life.
 
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Ironically the changes into making cockpits impregnable were brought in after 9/11. It's a horrible incident and people will look at who to blame but unfortunately no matter what we do there will always be the slimmest chances that things like this will happen, we are ultimately reliant on the behaviour of other human beings.
 

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This is my worst nightmare, wouldn't wish for it upon my worst enemy. Imagine the shear panic that those people would have gone through in their last moments, the realisation that there is nothing you or the 150 around you can do to stop what is about to happen as the ground looms nearer, the helplessness. Just a terrible, shitty way to go.

Terrible for the parents of the co-pilot too. Only yesterday they were mourning their son, today they are mourning a murderer. How does anybody ever get over that?
 

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This is my worst nightmare, wouldn't wish for it upon my worst enemy. Imagine the shear panic that those people would have gone through in their last moments, the realisation that there is nothing you or the 150 around you can do to stop what is about to happen as the ground looms nearer, the helplessness. Just a terrible, shitty way to go.

Terrible for the parents of the co-pilot too. Only yesterday they were mourning their son, today they are mourning a murderer. How does anybody ever get over that?
It must be a truly horrifying experience to know that it is the end.

Really awful.
 

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It is interesting that there was no suicide note left or found as of yet. Could have been a spur of the moment decision upon finding himself alone in the cockpit.
 

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It's only a short flight of a couple of hours. It's probably not that common for the pilot to need a piss break during those sort of trips. Not something you could really plan.
 

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