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Indian Dan

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Keshi Anderson is off to Blackpool. Decent enough player. DJ is better if we can sign him as replacement.

Hate all the shit that gets spouted when a player leaves. Fucking embarrassing at times.
 

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I agree. Unless they enforce a rule in the the EFL that it's mandatory to drop X % in salary if you get relegated? That way it brings teams in line immediately with the salary cap?

Most likely the top players would definitely want out at that point so too so it'd give those teams a chance to rebuild?
Break even budgeting (with the exception of women and academies) - it's not rocket science. A small team can still lose money if operating on a £2.5m cap.

I.e. the same rules as now in the Championship apart from the fact you're not allowed to lose £39m over 3 years.
 

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Break even budgeting (with the exception of women and academies) - it's not rocket science. A small team can still lose money if operating on a £2.5m cap.

I.e. the same rules as now in the Championship apart from the fact you're not allowed to lose £39m over 3 years.
So everyone else should have a £2.5m playing budget, but a championship team coming down should be allowed a budget based on their previous years income (which will be from the division above)?

Why do I get the feeling you wouldn’t have wanted that rule before you got promoted?
 

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So everyone else should have a £2.5m playing budget, but a championship team coming down should be allowed a budget based on their previous years income (which will be from the division above)?

Why do I get the feeling you wouldn’t have wanted that rule before you got promoted?
Nah he is saying the rule should be everyone should aim to break even over a 3 year period and have no 2.5 million cap.
 

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What if a club is already debt loaded before the rules for any sort of cap come into force? It’s not as if every club is going to start from the same financial position.
 

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What if a club is already debt loaded before the rules for any sort of cap come into force? It’s not as if every club is going to start from the same financial position.
You want sympathy for loading the club with debt? I mean, it's understandable if you have debt from infrastructure spending, but why should clubs be free to rack up operational debt?

Owners should only be able to pump money in as sponsorship (in line with market rates) or by share issue, not director's loans.
 

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So everyone else should have a £2.5m playing budget, but a championship team coming down should be allowed a budget based on their previous years income (which will be from the division above)?

Why do I get the feeling you wouldn’t have wanted that rule before you got promoted?
Hardly. The current rules are designed for teams like Reading to cheat and spend vast amounts on players that they can simply ill-afford. It means that us who don't have a multi-multi millionaire in the wings who can just pump in £10m to sign a very average striker are at a real disadvantage.

The EFL have really reaped what they've sown in regards to sale and leaseback of stadiums - they changed the rules in 2016 and have almost encouraged it, hence why I am sceptical as to whether Sheffield Wednesday will get a points deduction this week. Supporters Trusts should really be looking into these themselves at local level as the club themselves are no longer in charge of the facility. (I guess all they want is success and sod the long term consequences).

Why should a team be punished for having Championship income behind them? With Championship income, you get Championship costs too. We would've broken even this season if not for coronavirus.

It wouldn't have also been exclusively based on last season - we have 3 seasons behind us in League 2, League 1 and the Championship.
 

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You want sympathy for loading the club with debt? I mean, it's understandable if you have debt from infrastructure spending, but why should clubs be free to rack up operational debt?

Owners should only be able to pump money in as sponsorship (in line with market rates) or by share issue, not director's loans.
What I meant was, clubs that are already in debt are going to find it harder to break even over 3 years that clubs with a bit less debt. It’s the same as clubs with current players on big salaries. How do they adhere to any wage cap?
 

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Never said it was down to budget, although it mostly was tbf. Next season is almost certainly will be though.

I’d disagree about buying your way out of NL, there are many teams who’ve shown that not to be the case, including yourselves?

I’m really curious as to how the EFL will implement the cap, if it comes in. Are championship teams really going to be forced to cut 50% of their wage budget over the summer? What about players already on contracts?

It’s a nice idea but I don’t see how it can work in real life. It also creates an even bigger gap between L1 & the championship.
The current proposal on that score, as I've interpreted it are:

Any L1 player next season who were under contract prior to the salary cap will be incorporated into it as a divisional average wage rather than their actual wage (that will of course balance out over the first two or three years as new contracts are signed). Any player under contract from a relegated Championship Club will be costed in at the higher end of the scale. Haven't heard enough about what they'd do with players who would comfortably fit in with the salary cap, the focus seems to be more on who would become the higher earners who already have deals.

I don't know the full intricacies but I don't think they're looking to exempt any players from it.

I think the EFL lowering the majority needed for salary caps from 75% to 66% shows that they're keen to pull everyone in line and make it easier, not easy, for relegated Championship clubs. For arguments sake, if the Championship didn't have a wage cap and fell into L1 who do, then you could be going from £8m/year to £2.5m/year. If both had salary caps, it could be £6m/year to £2.5m/year. A big drop, but a smaller gap to bridge.

All that said, I'm not sure a hard salary cap it quite right. The likes of Ipswich and Sunderland can clearly afford to pay more than £2.5m a year to their squad. The problem has come about because the EFL allow too many dodgy owners in, allow owners to load clubs with debt and opened loopholes, which help owners get around FFP. The principle of SCMP is fine, the application of it probably isn't tough enough or goes far enough. The Championship doesn't even have SCMP I don't think?
 

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Thanks.

So nothing really new from a few weeks ago, although it does seem as though the proposal hasn't gone away, and the EFL are readying themselves to push something through by reducing the 75% acceptance level to 66%.

I really can't see how the proposal (as it has been outlined) is at all viable or workable and it throws up far more questions than it does answers. It seems a typically blunt approach to the issue, which is typical of the EFL. It would signal for me the inevitability of the Championship officially becoming Premier League Two and those beneath it being cast aside.

The people running the EFL really are a bunch of fuckwits, as there are so many more appropriate ways of monitoring football clubs' finances, such as correctly policing the rules that already exist!
 

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Do away with the disgusting parachute payments and distribute it lower down. Why pay for failure? The gap between the Championship and L1 is growing exponentially and those ex PL clubs in the Championship are struggling to stay there - Stoke, Middlesbrough, Hull. About time the chickens came home to roost at Reading, too.

If the only incentive for clubs is to bankrupt themselves in pursuit of a season in the PL, what’s the point. Yes, us bottom feeders all dream of getting there, but to be honest, it’s way beyond all of us now.

How about European competition between Leagues 2nd tier?
 

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Linked with George Thomas and the return of the fantastic DJ on a perm.
 

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Apparently Argyle and Crewe have offered Nicky Maynard a contract.
Pretty sure Artell confirmed that we haven’t offered him anything. As I’ve said before I can’t see us being in for him, too much money and he doesn’t fit our system.
 

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Wouldn't mind Maynard at Dale. Likewise Kieran Sadlier (released by Donny), who has the "former Cork City" tag which fits in with our recruitment policy of the lasr year or so.

Suspect we may be outbid in either case... :(
 

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Wouldn't mind Maynard at Dale. Likewise Kieran Sadlier (released by Donny), who has the "former Cork City" tag which fits in with our recruitment policy of the lasr year or so.

Suspect we may be outbid in either case... :(
Sadlier was only released because he and his reps never replied to the new contract he was offered, rumour is that they are waiting to see which League Hull end up in, if they are relegated they might come back to the table.
 

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A five per cent ‘overrun facility’ to be included allowing clubs to breach the cap by a small margin, but with a spending tax to be imposed on those who exceed the buffer. The tax would be on a sliding scale - 50p for every £1 overspend up to £600,000, £1 for every £1 from £600,000-£900,000 and £3 for every £1 over £900,000 - and the money shared equally between Championship clubs complying with the cap.

what a bollocks rule.
 

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A five per cent ‘overrun facility’ to be included allowing clubs to breach the cap by a small margin, but with a spending tax to be imposed on those who exceed the buffer. The tax would be on a sliding scale - 50p for every £1 overspend up to £600,000, £1 for every £1 from £600,000-£900,000 and £3 for every £1 over £900,000 - and the money shared equally between Championship clubs complying with the cap.

what a bollocks rule.
Where's that come from?
 

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Apparently we’re very close to signing a striker who played in league 1 last season. Strong rumours it’s Ian Henderson from Rochdale. Obviously he’s 35 now which is a slight concern, but on the whole Artell has got it right with the experienced signings, which help our youngsters massively. He’s got a good scoring record for Dale so looks an ok signing if it comes off.
 

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Apparently we’re very close to signing a striker who played in league 1 last season. Strong rumours it’s Ian Henderson from Rochdale. Obviously he’s 35 now which is a slight concern, but on the whole Artell has got it right with the experienced signings, which help our youngsters massively. He’s got a good scoring record for Dale so looks an ok signing if it comes off.
Age should be no problem - he's a fitness freak. Prone to missing penalties (about 1 in 3 missed) but will insist on taking them anyway. Seems to have cured himself of the retaliation habit which led to several sendings off a few years ago.

Good signing for Crewe, if confirmed, and probably good for Hendo, who's better as a big fish in a small pond and therefore more suited to Crewe than, say, Ipswich. Good luck to him...
 

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It’s Zanzala from Accy. One year contract.

Wouldn’t have wanted Henderson, already got (providing he stays) Porter in the ageing striker role.
 

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Pretty sure Artell confirmed that we haven’t offered him anything. As I’ve said before I can’t see us being in for him, too much money and he doesn’t fit our system.
How does he not fit into our system? I would have thought a striker like Maynard would be perfect for us. I really don’t understand why we need a big striker like Porter. He barely touches the ball outside the box, we essentially use him as a fox in the box (with the odd cross thrown in for good measure). Possession based, play out from the back does not need a big lumbering striker.

Our style of play is modelled on Man City. Don’t think City would ever be tempted with Andy Carroll......
 

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Isn’t Maynard basically a fox in the box type striker though? Can’t say Ive seen much of him since he left (12 years ago, kin ell) but back then he was very much a poacher.
 

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Isn’t Maynard basically a fox in the box type striker though? Can’t say Ive seen much of him since he left (12 years ago, kin ell) but back then he was very much a poacher.
Exactly. That’s my point. That’s essentially the role we ask Porter to play. Artell and Porter even said it themselves earlier in the season, that it can be frustrating for him barely touching the ball, and how well he does considering he has never played this way in his career. Surely a Maynard type would be a better fit for us?
 

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