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Apparently Leagues 1&2 Remaining games will be decided on points per game. Do you expect repercussions or is this the most sensible conclusion?
 

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And already Peterborough are talking about legal action via their owner on Twitter.
 

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Stupid idea, it is all well and good the pools panel sitting and deciding one off games, but to decide a football season on the last 10-12 games is just crying for litigation all over the place
 

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And already Peterborough are talking about legal action via their owner on Twitter.
And as soon as one does, then loads of others will simply have to just follow suit. Only takes one to stump the money to begin the process which then just gathers momentum with the more clubs that add on. Our Owners have already said we'd wait until what other clubs did, let them form the basis of the legal action, and just tag on to that which wouldn't cost us much, and could have some positive financial impacts on the club!
 

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The threat of litigation didn't make any difference to steps 3-7, as i suspect it won't in other countries that have cancelled their leagues.
 

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Unfortunately it's over there is no way to end the season that will make every one happy, but I think the ppg ratio is the fairest option
 

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Unfortunately it's over there is no way to end the season that will make every one happy, but I think the ppg ratio is the fairest option
If we were in the position your club are in so would I but given that under PPG we would be relegated despite being on a four game unbeaten run, winning our last three, have a fully
squad for the first time since the season started (much of the time having as many as 10 players unavailable due to the worse run of injuries I have know us have since I have supported the club) and prior to the shutdown going into a run of 4 games against teams around us I hope you can understand my lack of enthusiasm for the idea.
 

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If it goes to PPG we would be comfortably promoted.

After 15 years of terrible ownership, being kicked from pillar to post, forced out of Coventry and ultimately becoming homeless that the football God's finally repay us with deserved promotion.

But, by our luck it will be voided and our superb season will become pointless.
 

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I think the FA have ruled out totally voiding the season but who knows .

Seems to change each day !
 
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Voiding won't happen. Too many liabilities and all clubs would suffer. People are deluded if they think Sky will be benevolent and let clubs off with money for voiding a season. Sky would see a void as a breach of contract and that's why it hasn't been done already.

Matt Slater replied to me on The Athletic earlier backing up what he said in his article that there's next to no enthusiasm for null and void to even be an option brought to the table owing to the significant legal and financial risks. There will be winners and losers out of all of this of course, but to let the losers win and the winners lose is the unfairest of all these unfair options on the table.

We're not looking for the fairest solution as there isn't a fair solution, but we're looking for the least unfair solution. And if DMAC and Peterborough want to pursue legal action, let them. In none of the formulas would they get promoted, and with the majority of the owners consensus declaring that the season can't possibly be concluded due to impracticality of completing it, then DMAC wouldn't even have a case to answer in the Court.

On the other hand, I sympathise with Tranmere to an extent and reckon in a normal season they probably would've stayed up. But the circumstances are extraordinary, they're affecting every club in the EFL and Tranmere well they've pretty much been at the bottom all season. Their fans will feel aggrieved and rightly so, and I'm incredibly biased myself, but why should we suffer when we're on course to get a promotion after being in the Top 3 all season and have our squad broken up, causing us to regress in League Two just to protect a side that's been down there for all of this season?

I'd back Tranmere and Bolton to come back up next season anyway regardless. There's next to no chance Bolton and Southend were going to stay up, so I'm pretty sure they'll accept their fate. Legal action will more than likely be restricted to Exeter (who are probably the biggest losers of them all) and Tranmere who have genuine grievances, and a bunch of playoff teams demanding compensation for the chance to enter a lottery. A lottery which has now been scrapped which means what are they even arguing for? Is it promotion? Well a lot of them would've missed out anyway! Therefore, I don't see the Courts ruling in favour of those like Peterborough at all. They're just victims of circumstance.
 

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It could come down to a situation where you work out which situation results in the most 'losers' and then a smaller chance of legal action.

Void - Fans who have paid good money. The top 3.

PPG -Teams who miss out by tiny margins at the top. Teams who are relegated who may have hit form.

No relegations, just promotions - Only losers would be those towards the top who miss out.


From a biased perspective the final option makes sense. Teams at the bottom win gold. Top 2/3 get promotion they fought hard for. The only losers are the teams who just miss out.

All a mess.
 

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One thing is for certain.

The authorities need to work out what happens when the next pandemic (or whatever) hits in future years. Have the way forward and how they decide league standings mapped out so everyone knows at the start and there can be no moaning/litigation.

Well, there will still be moaning and litigation, but they will be covered.
 
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One thing is for certain.

The authorities need to work out what happens when the next pandemic (or whatever) hits in future years. Have the way forward and how they decide league standings mapped out so everyone knows at the start and there can be no moaning/litigation.

Well, there will still be moaning and litigation, but they will be covered.
The only sporting event in the British Isles to take out pandemic insurance was the All-England Club's Wimbledon Tennis Championships (taken out as a precaution after SARS in the 2000s), many other sports will be facing massive inquiries in the aftermath of this whilst Wimbledon gets a massive payout for the loss of its championship this year, the envy of the sporting world.
 

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And even they considering playing behind closed doors but they found out you'd still need 500 each day to run Wimbledon.
 
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The only sporting event in the British Isles to take out pandemic insurance was the All-England Club's Wimbledon Tennis Championships (taken out as a precaution after SARS in the 2000s), many other sports will be facing massive inquiries in the aftermath of this whilst Wimbledon gets a massive payout for the loss of its championship this year, the envy of the sporting world.
The annual insurance premium for the All England Club to insure against pandemic is £23 million for a one off event. To cover a league season will run into hundreds of millions (which someone has to pay). Might be the right solution but it is not cheap or cost effective.
 
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The annual insurance premium for the All England Club to insure against pandemic is £23 million for a one off event. To cover a league season will run into hundreds of millions (which someone has to pay). Might be the right solution but it is not cheap or cost effective.
Believe the pandemic insurance was only £1.5 million annually and that the £23-£25 million figure was the total figure accrued since it took out the insurance policy 17 years ago.

I'm no insurance broker and I don't know what the terms would be given you're insuring 20 venues over 40 weeks as opposed to one large complex over 2 weeks. But I genuinely believe, for the Premier League at least, it could well have been feasible to explore it.
 

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Voiding won't happen. Too many liabilities and all clubs would suffer. People are deluded if they think Sky will be benevolent and let clubs off with money for voiding a season. Sky would see a void as a breach of contract and that's why it hasn't been done already.

Matt Slater replied to me on The Athletic earlier backing up what he said in his article that there's next to no enthusiasm for null and void to even be an option brought to the table owing to the significant legal and financial risks. There will be winners and losers out of all of this of course, but to let the losers win and the winners lose is the unfairest of all these unfair options on the table.

We're not looking for the fairest solution as there isn't a fair solution, but we're looking for the least unfair solution. And if DMAC and Peterborough want to pursue legal action, let them. In none of the formulas would they get promoted, and with the majority of the owners consensus declaring that the season can't possibly be concluded due to impracticality of completing it, then DMAC wouldn't even have a case to answer in the Court.

On the other hand, I sympathise with Tranmere to an extent and reckon in a normal season they probably would've stayed up. But the circumstances are extraordinary, they're affecting every club in the EFL and Tranmere well they've pretty much been at the bottom all season. Their fans will feel aggrieved and rightly so, and I'm incredibly biased myself, but why should we suffer when we're on course to get a promotion after being in the Top 3 all season and have our squad broken up, causing us to regress in League Two just to protect a side that's been down there for all of this season?

I'd back Tranmere and Bolton to come back up next season anyway regardless. There's next to no chance Bolton and Southend were going to stay up, so I'm pretty sure they'll accept their fate. Legal action will more than likely be restricted to Exeter (who are probably the biggest losers of them all) and Tranmere who have genuine grievances, and a bunch of playoff teams demanding compensation for the chance to enter a lottery. A lottery which has now been scrapped which means what are they even arguing for? Is it promotion? Well a lot of them would've missed out anyway! Therefore, I don't see the Courts ruling in favour of those like Peterborough at all. They're just victims of circumstance.
Just to correct some errors in your post, we have not been 'down the bottom all season' at all. We only dropped into the bottom three on New Year's Day and only stayed there in January because of the distraction of the FA Cup, a series of postponements and a run of fixtures against the top teams. We were in the middle of a run of easier fixtures when the season was curtailed and hence were winning games again.

If PPG was applied at the end of December after 23 games, we would stay up. So we are effectively being relegated for our form in a period of 4-6 weeks when we played the big boys plus Watford and United in the cup.

That is how arbitrary and ridiculous this decision is from our perspective.
 
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Ron Martin is a total embarrassment. If that Southend side is reprieved it'll be an absolute disgrace.

I reckon MK and Wimbledon will want to end the season in the end, but cannot for the life of me think why Bristol Rovers would want it extending given the state they're in and Lincoln with nothing to play for. I had a feeling Gillingham would want to play on, but that's more so Evans genuinely thinking they can make the playoffs behind that. But that's very unlikely to happen.

Given the incoming draconian cuts coming to football, it makes no sense for those way off the pace to vote to continue the season unless you're obviously Tranmere and you want to stay up in a higher league and you're well backed anyway.
 

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Ron Martin is a total embarrassment. If that Southend side is reprieved it'll be an absolute disgrace.

I reckon MK and Wimbledon will want to end the season in the end, but cannot for the life of me think why Bristol Rovers would want it extending given the state they're in and Lincoln with nothing to play for. I had a feeling Gillingham would want to play on, but that's more so Evans genuinely thinking they can make the playoffs behind that. But that's very unlikely to happen.

Given the incoming draconian cuts coming to football, it makes no sense for those way off the pace to vote to continue the season unless you're obviously Tranmere and you want to stay up in a higher league and you're well backed anyway.
Our stance from the outset was always to continue on the basis that time allowed and wouldn't be against spending a little more money to get the season done and dusted but ultimately I think the ship has sailed on both counts. I'm pretty sure we'll now vote to end the season, the CEO seemed to say as much at the weekend. The quotes from him that have appeared in papers are from 3+ week ago.

The 56 day point was yesterday I think so that's out the window. Having to find an additional £150k from somewhere for testing isn't going to help either.

Another point he also made clear was that we would be against having no relegation.
 

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Our stance from the outset was always to continue on the basis that time allowed and wouldn't be against spending a little more money to get the season done and dusted but ultimately I think the ship has sailed on both counts. I'm pretty sure we'll now vote to end the season, the CEO seemed to say as much at the weekend. The quotes from him that have appeared in papers are from 3+ week ago.

The 56 day point was yesterday I think so that's out the window. Having to find an additional £150k from somewhere for testing isn't going to help either.

Another point he also made clear was that we would be against having no relegation.
I think we're in the same situation. Our owners want teams to play it all out to give an accurate representation of the table but not if other clubs are going to be put at serious financial risk as a result. It's the bigger picture we're thinking of and not just the one season.

As for relegation, I guess we just have to hope that if there is relegation, that we get a reprieve and only the two of Southend and Bolton go down. Just need to hope Palios has managed to get the votes from other clubs to approve that. I know we certainly have one vote from Accrington!
 

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Don't see why we would carry on. Yes, we were on a decent run, but to make up at least 8 points in 9 games?
 

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You wonder whether or not those who are undecided will have been rubbed up the wrong way by MacAnthony as well.
 

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Find it hard to believe that league 1 would carry on, appreciate there’s marginally bigger sides and money than league 2 but I wouldn’t want to be shelling out £150k to test when clubs are under financial stress already.

As for promotion and relegation it should carry on, though the likes of Tranmere have valid arguments.

I disagreed with league 2 scrapping relegation and would disagree with league 1 doing the same.

My argument in league 2 was you shouldn’t authorise promotion if you won’t do the same for relegation.
 

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Our CEO has estimated ~£400K-500K to finish the season, up to £140K of which is just the testing of staff. Seems ridiculous in this climate to spend that, take the tests away from other people who need them and also tie up ambulances etc.
 

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Too expensive to restart the season for us especially with the additional cost now and no income.
Some of the ideas put are 'interesting' to say the least.
Self interest needs to be put on hold for the greater good.
I work in the NHS and the virus far from being beaten, missing football like hell but let's have it back when it's safe to played and watched as one without the other is weird, just look at Germany.
 

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Our stance from the outset was always to continue on the basis that time allowed and wouldn't be against spending a little more money to get the season done and dusted but ultimately I think the ship has sailed on both counts. I'm pretty sure we'll now vote to end the season, the CEO seemed to say as much at the weekend. The quotes from him that have appeared in papers are from 3+ week ago.

The 56 day point was yesterday I think so that's out the window. Having to find an additional £150k from somewhere for testing isn't going to help either.

Another point he also made clear was that we would be against having no relegation.
Our monthly supporter board meeting minutes came out today from last Wednesday and basically says it's now got to the point where time and money are against us and we will now vote to end the season on a weighted PPG basis (if the weighted part is an option).

Not that it makes too much difference whether it's weighted or not, we only move up one place due to an extra home game on Shrewsbury I think.
 

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