Sunderland v Newcastle

[smat]

Clear penalty. Not sure how it can be described as a 'clear goalscoring opportunity' though. Ridiculous decision by Coloccini.

 

[rudebwoyben]

That's never a penalty, in my view.

 

[mnb089mnb]

That's never a penalty, in my view.

I wouldn't have been surprised had it not been given but I think this incident shows how difficult a TMO/video replay system would be in football. After all, Coloccini did barge Steven Fletcher over (or "ease him away" as many have put it). Coloccini did so when he didn't have control of the ball.

 

[G.B]

You don't have to have the ball at your feet to make contact with an opponent.

The fact that he's given something that soft, and sent him off, literally seconds after Cattermole clearly handballs in his own box and the next second wipes one of ours out with an arm across the throat (again, in the box) sums up how out of his depth Madley was. You need an experienced official for these games, not a rookie who's going to bow to the pressure of the home crowd.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Why did Coloccini barge over Fletcher? Because he thought he'd get to the ball first. Looked more like Coloccini was out of his depth than the referee.

I think the handball was far from "clear".

 

[Super_horns]

Somehow don't think Big Sam would be saying the rule is harsh had there been no red card and Sunderland not won!

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Why did Coloccini barge over Fletcher? Because he thought he'd get to the ball first. Looked more like Coloccini was out of his depth than the referee.

I think the handball was far from "clear".

I said in the box at the time that I thought it was a good decision. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Yes things like that happen fairly regularly but that's not reason to dispute this decision.

The worst thing is, the defender had no need to make the challenge.

 

[G.B]

I think the handball was far from "clear".

What was unclear about the image of his hand touching the ball?

 

[mnb089mnb]

What was unclear about the image of his hand touching the ball?

I wasn't certain it hit his hand when watching in normal time and it's not 'clearly' deliberate.

 

[Super_horns]

Ref's view seemed to be blocked in that incident..

 

[G.B]

I wasn't certain it hit his hand when watching in normal time and it's not 'clearly' deliberate.

Didn't say it was deliberate. Not that it has to be to be a penalty.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Didn't say it was deliberate. Not that it has to be to be a penalty.

It has to be deliberate for it to be a handball.

 

[G.B]

Officially, as far as the law books go, yeah. In practice, no. Your hand just has to be "in an unnatural position" as officials clarified with PL clubs in 2013.

TBH I don't know if I'd give that as a penalty. I reckon some refs would and some wouldn't. I'd 100% give one for someone performing a fucking clothesline manouver in the box though.

 

[Smudge]

I agree I wouldnt have given the handball, dont think Cattermole had any intention of handling it, it just bounced uo and hit him, and its those sorts of handball penalties they need to stop giving. Irritates the hell out of me when players are defending in the box and put their arms behind their backs, but then again, given the very lax interpretation of deliberate handball these days, you can sort of understand it.

He was lucky to get away with the second bit though, clearly brings his arm up and backs into him. Makes you wonder how the same ref can completely ignore that one, then give the Colocini one.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Makes you wonder how the same ref can completely ignore that one, then give the Colocini one.

Because they were two entirely different incidents?

 

[Smudge]

Why are they? You're saying the Colocini one was a pen because he has impeded Fletcher when he's not in control of the ball. If thats how you (and seemingly the ref) interpret the Colocini incident, why is the Cattermole one any different?

 

[mnb089mnb]

Why are they? You're saying the Colocini one was a pen because he has impeded Fletcher when he's not in control of the ball. If thats how you (and seemingly the ref) interpret the Colocini incident, why is the Cattermole one any different?

Coloccini didn't impede Fletcher, he knocked him over.

They were two totally different scenarios and situations, you can't compare them.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

One was a deliberate act to stop a player getting to the ball, was was an accident.

 

[Smudge]

Coloccini didn't impede Fletcher, he touched Fletcher who threw himself on the floor.

Fixed.

One was a deliberate act to stop a player getting to the ball, was was an accident.

Rubbish! This is Lee Cattermole remember, I thought only refs were thick enough to fall for his arms up 'never touched him sir' bull.

 

[Pagnell]

Not sure Flether dived. After all, Coloccini ended up on the floor too.

Doesn't mean much. A player committing what they know to be a foul will quite often deliberately hit the deck at the same time as the player they've fouled in an attempt to throw the referee.

 

[Hank]

Thought Cattermole was fortunate to get away with the raised arm, to give the hand ball would be harsh though. The Coloccini incident penalty correct, sending off incorrect.

With everyone (especially in the area) talking about Cattermole, Coloccini and the result we seem to be forgetting we were utter shite. The amount of times we gave the ball away was unreal, if it wasn't for Coloccini being stupid Newcastle would have won.

 

[smat]

https://streamable.com/rgke

Impossible to argue with the penalty, watching that. Coloccini literally moves away from the ball's path to take Fletcher out. If he'd headed towards the ball and shielded it into the keeper's hands, it would have been legitimate. Ridiculous defending by him.

Given that Fletcher's sprinting for the ball, it's no wonder he was knocked off balance.

Red card overturned though, rightly so.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Amazed that anyone would think Fletcher "dived"!

I guess this is why Premier League fans get so upset about referees.

 

[Pagnell]

It was a penalty, but I reckon Fletcher could have stayed on his feet if he wished to. Whether that make it a dive is for another discussion. It did not justify a straight red, so it was right to be overturned.