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Pretty sure this will see a fair bit of action as this year ticks away.

Has anybody got a link to the letter the Tories decided to send out?
 

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Netanyahu has just called for a 'broad based assault on Islam'.
And people say it is the Palestinians blocking peace in the region.
 

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Just for clarity, he said "broad based assault on the forces of Islam". Although on video of it on his Youtube channel the subtitles read "radical Islam" even though he clearly just said Islam.
 

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Netanyahu is a c***. He has no interest in addressing the roots of radical islam, he's strictly on his geo political goals for the zionist nation of israel.
 

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BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 4m4 minutes ago
Three soldiers on anti-terror patrol in Nice, southern France, wounded in knife attack, French police say http://bbc.in/1LI7Nu8

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 44s45 seconds ago
French soldiers attacked by knife-wielding man in Nice were patrolling outside a Jewish community centre http://bbc.in/18KhHfO

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 2m2 minutes ago
Man who attacked French soldiers in Nice was expelled by Turkey last week, security source tells AFP http://bbc.in/1KoebTW
 
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Ever since before we attacked Iraq in 2003 I can't take anything Nick Cohen, he of the Euston Manifesto that sank without a trace, seriously. He also has a habit of conflating all Islamist groups when they are very different.
 

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A pretty good article on the left's failure in the face of Islamic extremism: http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/5886/full
Seriously good article, actually. Wish I had the courage to share it elsewhere but know plenty of people who would FLIP. Its title doesn't help though. If that's the actual spur of the article and his thinking then I can't say I'm exactly behind it. It's massively frustrating how hard it is to find a single person who thinks subtly enough to condemn prejudice against Muslims, acknowledges how hideous so much of the Koran is and has any time for apostates or queer Muslims. I know it's not that clear cut but it's agonising to see how selective everybody is.
 
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BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 29m29 minutes ago
Rotherham Council cabinet to resign after report says council at centre of child abuse scandal "not fit for purpose" http://bbc.in/1LLGoYl

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 7m7 minutes ago
National Crime Agency to investigate "potentially criminal matters" identified in report into Rotherham Council http://bbc.in/1z9y1LY
Why are you posting the Rotherham issue here? Most of the perpetrators were Pakistani criminals, yet Muslim is the first thing you flag up. There are many Pakistani Muslims disgusted by this and there are many Muslims from other countries disgusted by this.
 

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If I'd posted about a Catholic rape scandal in a Catholic mega-thread would I have gotten the same response? I suspect not. There's an obvious connection between the assailants that goes well beyond coincidence, and when that connection (or one of them) is an adherence to scripture that contains justification for this type or thing, or at least the basis to interpret it that way, it would be braindead to ignore it. It's that kind of "cultural sensitivity" that helped get us into this mess in the first place.
 

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If I'd posted about a Catholic rape scandal in a Catholic mega-thread would I have gotten the same response? I suspect not. There's an obvious connection between the assailants that goes well beyond coincidence, and when that connection (or one of them) is an adherence to scripture that contains justification for this type or thing, or at least the basis to interpret it that way, it would be braindead to ignore it. It's that kind of "cultural sensitivity" that helped get us into this mess in the first place.
Cool story. The link is the aftermath of the scandal and is reporting on the failings of the authorities within Rotherham.

As it's so apparent you wish to link paedophilia with Islam, why waste time posting links that don't directly purport to the actual scandal?

You don't need to disguise yourself with the thin veil buddy. Your seemingly burning desire to antagonise and smear the issues of all things Islam has been a source of tedium for quite some time.
 

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As it's so apparent you wish to link paedophilia with Islam, why waste time posting links that don't directly purport to the actual scandal?
You're asking me why my actions don't conform to your characterization of my behaviour? Do you need to lie down? And as far as I know there is no paedophilia involved in this scandal.

You don't need to disguise yourself with the thin veil buddy. Your seemingly burning desire to antagonise and smear the issues of all things Islam has been a source of tedium for quite some time.
I can only apologise for the actions of the imaginary version of me that dwells in your brain. He sounds like a dick.
 

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Cool story. The link is the aftermath of the scandal and is reporting on the failings of the authorities within Rotherham.

As it's so apparent you wish to link paedophilia with Islam, why waste time posting links that don't directly purport to the actual scandal?

You don't need to disguise yourself with the thin veil buddy. Your seemingly burning desire to antagonise and smear the issues of all things Islam has been a source of tedium for quite some time.
I think we can all see through the veil. I don't know why he even bothers with the pretence.

You'd have gotten the same response from me if you'd posted it in a Catholic Mega thread EG because the point remains the same, it's not about religion, regardless of what the religion is.
 

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You'd have gotten the same response from me if you'd posted it in a Catholic Mega thread EG because the point remains the same,
Colour me sceptical.

it's not about religion, regardless of what the religion is.
What evidence is this assertion based on? It must be something seriously compelling, to not only dismiss the shared ideology of the assailants, one that can be used to justify this, but also to try and frame that rationale itself as if it were somehow discriminatory...
 

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Shared ideology? You do know that not all the perpetrators were Muslims right? The only thing in common they all shared is that they were all criminals.

I've heard the EDL and Britain First also trying to make this a Muslim issue.
 

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Shared ideology? You do know that not all the perpetrators were Muslims right? The only thing in common they all shared is that they were all criminals.
Which ones were not Muslim?

And on a side note, according to the 2011 census (can't find the 2013 numbers for this specifically) only 3.1% of the population of Rotherham are Pakistani and Kashmiri, yet the majority of assailants were of that origin. It would be mental to not question the common denominator, which is cultural background and religion.

I've heard the EDL and Britain First also trying to make this a Muslim issue.
#RedLogic
 
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The common denominator is primarily cultural surely, unless you can identify similar patterns from other Muslim nations of origin, that it may be justified by a twisted version of Islam doesn't make it a wider Islamic problem if primarily a problem amongst Pakistani Muslims and not say Omani, Indonesian etc? Something to do with Pakistani culture/society seems to have a direct impact on this, it may involve Islam to an extent in so much as that has had an influence of the culture but it's not what I'd called a "Muslim issue" unless you can identify similar patterns across a larger number of other cultures which identify as Muslims.
 

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The common denominator is primarily cultural surely, unless you can identify similar patterns from other Muslim nations of origin, that it may be justified by a twisted version of Islam doesn't make it a wider Islamic problem if primarily a problem amongst Pakistani Muslims and not say Omani, Indonesian etc? Something to do with Pakistani culture/society seems to have a direct impact on this, it may involve Islam to an extent in so much as that has had an influence of the culture but it's not what I'd called a "Muslim issue" unless you can identify similar patterns across a larger number of other cultures which identify as Muslims.

I had a Muslim friend who was from Libya. He said he was concerned about how people are confusing certain elements found in Pakistani culture with Islam i.e forced marriages. I'm sure EG will put it down to being a purely Muslim thing though.

Whaddya mean Redlogic EG? The EDL and Britain First have been down to Rotherham blaming Islam for it all.

I wonder what the common denominator for all non Muslim child abusers is EG. Needless to say it's not their religion or culture right?
 

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The common denominator is primarily cultural surely, unless you can identify similar patterns from other Muslim nations of origin, that it may be justified by a twisted version of Islam doesn't make it a wider Islamic problem if primarily a problem amongst Pakistani Muslims and not say Omani, Indonesian etc? Something to do with Pakistani culture/society seems to have a direct impact on this, it may involve Islam to an extent in so much as that has had an influence of the culture but it's not what I'd called a "Muslim issue" unless you can identify similar patterns across a larger number of other cultures which identify as Muslims.
To be fair nobody claimed that it was a wider Muslim problem, I just implicitly drew the connection with Islam by posting it in here. I think, given the scripture, asking the question is at the very least fair.

I'm sure EG will put it down to being a purely Muslim thing though.
Based on what? I've gone out of my way to note that female genital mutilation is more of a Christian extremist thing than a Muslim one in the past, while the contrary everyone else seemed to tacitly accept as fact.

Whaddya mean Redlogic EG?
I mean that you like your association fallacies.
 

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What's the common denominator with all non Pakistani child abusers EG?
 

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I wonder what the common denominator for all non Muslim child abusers is EG. Needless to say it's not their religion or culture right?
Um... well it will be, if there is an overwhelming prorportion of child abusers from a particular religion or culture. Cuz you know, that's what a common denominator is. That's why we're having this discussion in the first place. I didn't invent a massive over-representation of Pakistani and Muslims assailants in this case, it's an undeniable fact that needs to be explained. How do you explain it?
 

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How about answering the question? What is the common denominator between non Pakistani (or non Muslim) child abusers?
 

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To be fair nobody claimed that it was a wider Muslim problem, I just implicitly drew the connection with Islam by posting it in here. I think, given the scripture, asking the question is at the very least fair.
Fair enough, I'd agree as genuinely if it can be linked to other Islamic cultures too then the idea of it being localised obviously dilutes in the wake of it being a wider Islamic issue, so far though it seems to be fairly unique to Pakistani cultures, I think 4OD had a documentary on it a month or so ago, wish I could remember some of the finer details re:cultural reasons and whether it raised any red flags with my knowledge of other Islamic cultures.
 

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