Tranmere V Carlisle

[cufc17]

1-0 WYKE
Need to hold on for 25 minutes now though.

 

[cufc17]

2-0
Get the fuck in.

 

[shoddycollins]

Looks like a real signing this Charlie Wyke

 

[shoddycollins]

Well... We've been saying Kyle Dempsey could do with a rest

 

[hellogregory]

Excellent 3 points. We were solid, worked hard and deserved the win imo.

Tranmere ran out of ideas, but they'll be fine, as will we (hopefully).

 

[Reginald Fodstain]

Typical Tranmere. Looks like we'll never beat Carlisle at home. We could really do with a result at either/both of Newport and York this week now.

 

[TRFC ON TOUR]

Dear oh dear, just when we thought we were getting out of it, we're back in it, two massive games coming up against out of sort teams (Newport, York)

 

[localhero]

Awful, everything about that game was awful. Max Power, Cole Stockton, Josh Thompson, and worst of all the dreadful referee. We didn't deserve anything from the game but that was so frustrating. Hopefully the referee is forced to watch a replay and realises that if he doesn't assert himself from the start of the game and turns a blind eye to everything, that's what happens in the end.

And to think people were talking about the playoffs after last Saturday's game haha!

 

[Pablosammy]

Awful day. Awful football. Awful officials. Let's regroup and move on.

 

[Dickie Davies eyes]

Good performance from Carlisle I thought, better than us all over the pitch today and if it were not for OFW's finger tips the score line could of been even more embarrassing. Poor ref but I don't think he had any influence over the result. Would liked to of seen Max Power subbed today, was shite again.

 

[1884 Belmont]

Out-fought and out-desired from minute 1. Number 34 for Carlisle bossed the middle against 3 of our players who were really poor. Can't really add much to what has already been said - Carlisle deserved the points and we got a massive wake up call after a good run.

Now onto the referee. THE most inept official I have seen in 26+ years watching football. Lost control in the first minute and never got it back. Far too lenient on shirt pulling and holding (from both sides), invented a corner for Carlisle, missed a blatant penalty in our favour, missed a blatant dive by Myrie-Williams, gave a foul against Carlisle when our keeper dropped the ball - the list goes on. However, the biggest factor is that he didn't even have the bottle to send off the Carlisle player who threw a punch at the end - he gave him a second yellow. It's a massive deal as he misses just 1 game instead of the 3 games he would have missed for the (justified) straight red that should have been shown. Also, flurry of yellows at the end seemed like a token gesture so his stats don't seem too bad.

Awful. Awful. Awful.

 

[hellogregory]

I agree the ref was poor, we had a bad one last week as well.

He also bizarrely gave you a free kick near the end when Asamoah got through and in front of the defender into the box. The defender got shoulder to shoulder, but Asamosh stayed strong, stayed on his feet and should have been allowed through to score.

 

[Boz]

Even my staying away didn't buy us a home win against Carlisle. I was surprised that Micky Adams didn't change the side to be more able to deal with the combative, physical approach the Cumbrians would adopt. The no 34 1884 Belmont mentions is ex-Port Vale player Anthony Griffith, who had a good game against us last season at PP, so you'd expect Micky, his manager at that time, to be alert to his abilities.
How did Hume look on his return to Tranmere colours?
This will certainly be a morale booster for Carlisle, back-to-back wins against fellow-strugglers. Rovers have got to take something from the trip to York next weekend now.

 

[localhero]

Even my staying away didn't buy us a home win against Carlisle. I was surprised that Micky Adams didn't change the side to be more able to deal with the combative, physical approach the Cumbrians would adopt. The no 34 1884 Belmont mentions is ex-Port Vale player Anthony Griffith, who had a good game against us last season at PP, so you'd expect Micky, his manager at that time, to be alert to his abilities.
How did Hume look on his return to Tranmere colours?
This will certainly be a morale booster for Carlisle, back-to-back wins against fellow-strugglers. Rovers have got to take something from the trip to York next weekend now.

Difficult to say how well Hume did as after he came on we seemed to continually hoof long balls up to him, all of which were inevitably claimed by the six foot tall cente back right behind him. Should have left Odejayi on instead of the completely ineffective Stockton as at least there'd be someone knocking the ball on for Hume to run on to.

 

[shoddycollins]

Even my staying away didn't buy us a home win against Carlisle. I was surprised that Micky Adams didn't change the side to be more able to deal with the combative, physical approach the Cumbrians would adopt. The no 34 1884 Belmont mentions is ex-Port Vale player Anthony Griffith, who had a good game against us last season at PP, so you'd expect Micky, his manager at that time, to be alert to his abilities.
How did Hume look on his return to Tranmere colours?
This will certainly be a morale booster for Carlisle, back-to-back wins against fellow-strugglers. Rovers have got to take something from the trip to York next weekend now.

To be fair, if Adams had done his homework on us in anything other than the recent wins against Wimbledon and Mansfield he would probably have come away with the view that we'd be easy to physically dominate. It's been quite the turnaround.

 

[AdamStag]

To be fair, if Adams had done his homework on us in anything other than the recent wins against Wimbledon and Mansfield he would probably have come away with the view that we'd be easy to physically dominate. It's been quite the turnaround.

Tranmere are quite easy to defend against, just pack the defence and they've no creativity at all - but because they were once in the championship their fans think they are somehow better than us lowly lot and misguidedly think they will just walk out of relegation

Maybe today's result was enough to realign such unfealistic aspirations

 

[Boz]

Tranmere are quite easy to defend against, just pack the defence and they've no creativity at all - but because they were once in the championship their fans think they are somehow better than us lowly lot and misguidedly think they will just walk out of relegation

Maybe today's result was enough to realign such unfealistic aspirations

I'm unsure where your angst comes from, but most Rovers fans who post on here are realistic that we're still in a relegation scrap and there's no guarantee that it will turn out well.
I don't know how much you've seen of Tranmere this season, but our game against Mansfield was not entirely typical; Micky Adams first in charge, two loanee strikers up front, wind and rain making playing difficult and a visiting side set up to do little except defend, partly because you didn't have any fit strikers.
Lack of creativity is arguable, Koumas certainly does on his day, Taylor who we got off you has the ability, but is rather puzzlingly deployed at left-back and Myrie-Williams (and hopefully a match-fit Hume) give us options.
Carlisle clearly were well-briefed in how to negative our strengths and took their chances. Hopefully the players and manager will learn from this quickly.

 

[Pablosammy]

Tranmere are quite easy to defend against, just pack the defence and they've no creativity at all - but because they were once in the championship their fans think they are somehow better than us lowly lot and misguidedly think they will just walk out of relegation

Maybe today's result was enough to realign such unfealistic aspirations

Judging by some of the other threads on here, it's Mansfield fans who have ideas well above their station. Wasn't it one of your lot who was crying about how it would be a shame if a 'real club like Mansfield' went down instead of one of the 'Conference teams up here on borrowed time'. Who exactly are you again? I'm not sure what you've been reading, but we have some of the most pessimistic fans in the land. We certainly don't have many unfealistic [sic] aspirations!

 

[Kenneth E End]

What Dempsey did, has to be the stupidest sending off I've seen this season. On a yellow card, he gets involved with something like that! I'd be furious if I was a Carlisle fan.

 

[hellogregory]

What Dempsey did, has to be the stupidest sending off I've seen this season. On a yellow card, he gets involved with something like that! I'd be furious if I was a Carlisle fan.

I'll put it down to inexperience. It's his first season as a footballer, and we all think he needs a rest anyway, so sitting out 1 game will do him good I think. Hopefully we'll see him back to his best after this suspension.

 

[BlueAndWhiteKieran]

What Dempsey did, has to be the stupidest sending off I've seen this season. On a yellow card, he gets involved with something like that! I'd be furious if I was a Carlisle fan.

Even how stupid it was of dempsey i cant believe tranmeres player wasnt sent off which Clearly incensed dempsey. As he kicked the ball away and was clearly pushing Asamoah for no reason

 

[1884 Belmont]

Tranmere are quite easy to defend against, just pack the defence and they've no creativity at all - but because they were once in the championship their fans think they are somehow better than us lowly lot and misguidedly think they will just walk out of relegation

Maybe today's result was enough to realign such unfealistic aspirations

The only side consistently on these message boards with a somewhat inflated sense of themselves is Mansfield. Not all fans, but a vocal minority. The fact you felt compelled to post in a thread between Carlisle and Tranmere says it all. Let's be honest, if you play 11-0-0 you will be hard to break down and you played us at the back end of a 5 game losing run where we scored 1 in 7! Let's see what the score is later in the season (which you may well win!).

What Dempsey did, has to be the stupidest sending off I've seen this season. On a yellow card, he gets involved with something like that! I'd be furious if I was a Carlisle fan.

The most infuriating thing is it should have been a straight red and then he would miss 3 games instead of 1. Crap referee has influenced 4 games now.

 

[Reginald Fodstain]

Can only assume the Mansfield fan was extremely pissed when he wrote that!

I'd say we've got a very mood-swing based fan base, with the general feeling likely to change rapidly from manic depression to "we're gonna finish in the play-offs." This season (like most before it recently) has definitely been the former for us the majority of the time, though.

 

[hellogregory]

Straight red for a push?

Hmm not sure about that. If that's the case the tranmere player should have walked as well.

 

[1884 Belmont]

I wouldn't argue with that. You simply can't raise your hands.

 

[deeksme]

I wouldn't argue with that. You simply can't raise your hands.

There was no punch by Dempsey, but it was a clear 2nd yellow for a push. The only really bad call by the ref was giving a free kick against DA when he was clean through with just the keeper to beat, joke of a decision like. With a competent official we would have won by 3 or 4 and TRFC would have finished with 10, but I'll take the 2-0 gladly. Tranny in the second half looked worse than they were when we drew 1-1 in the cup down there earlier in the season. The number 32 looked out of his depth, and the number 9 was simply awful. I'm sure they'll stay up as there are half a dozen worse teams than them and Adams will slowly improve them, but the football (like ours) won't be pretty. Hume is a good signing IMO, and Power good on the ball. The keeper looks a shadow of the guy who was a good player for Stockport though, and the right back was playing from memory.

 

[Boz]

I wasn't at the game, but the general consensus of home fans appears to be that Odejayi (no 9) was one of the better equiped to deal with Carlisle's style of play and we looked less of a threat when he was replaced by Stockton. Don't think any of our defenders covered themselves in glory, having seen the goals, but was Thompson (no 32) any worse than the others? Fon Williams was Rovers' MoM, don't recall seeing him in Stockport days, but he's a reasonable keeper at this level.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Very Very good win that yesterday, but we have been playing much better away from home for a while now so should be more confident away. Exeter in december they lost, but were harder to beat, then won at Morecambe, then outplayed Newport (a their peak time) but unfortunately lost, then beat Wimbledon, only narrowly lost at Bury and have beaten Tranmere............no real easy away games, but we're either winning them or making it hard for the other side when they win.

Just at home we sound horrendous now, but i think that is still down to abit of creative spark in the squad (something i think we still much sort if they want to pull away from danger), but considering for 12 months we sounded easy to beat week after week it is good that at least for the last 6 away games we're making a good game of it.

we maybe also got Tranmere at a good time, bringing afew players in lately will i think improve them but does take time for them to settle

 

[shoddycollins]

Highlight up

Wyke took both his goals well.

On the sending off at the end, Asamoah is show pointing towards Rory Donnelly, I believe that Donnelly had kicked the ball at him although this is just what I've read, the highlights don't show what Donnelly did to get the Carlisle players confronting him. CMW squares up to Donnelly and Donnelly pushes him away, Dempsey then steps up and pushes Donnelly back, albeit with a bit more force. The referee then books CMW, Donnelly and Dempsey for their parts in what was really just a bit of handbags. I think it would have been a bit harsh had the ref given Dempsey a straight red.

In fact the referee is already reaching for his pocket before CMW squares up to Donnelly, so is presumably already planning on booking Donnelly for his actions, therefore if he was acting with any consistency (in that he considered CMW squaring up to be a bookable offence) surely Donnelly should have been booked twice... one for the incident the referee was already planning on booking him for and then a second time for pushing CMW.

I only bring this up because there seems to be a lot of injustice felt among the Tranmere fans that Dempsey won't miss as many games as if he'd had a straight red... maybe we should just accept we all live in glass houses and put the stones away.

 

[1884 Belmont]

Having seen the highlights, I will admit there was no punch thrown so in hindsight maybe the second yellow was ample punishment. However, I stand by the fact that if the referee had control of the game from minute one then that 'melee' doesn't happen at the end. It was clear a lot of our players were very frustrated by the officials and I would imagine yours were too but just handled it better.
Fair play to Carlisle though - it's not their job to referee themselves and Curle came right out in the buildup and told everyone what he was going to do. He did it and it worked. We deserved to get beat on the day, we move on to Newport tomorrow night who will no doubt record their first win after 4 straight defeats.