WWE Raw Discussion Thread

[Gilly?]

I like fantasy booking.

I think there could be some good substance to Curtis Axel not being in the Rumble. I'd build him up quite strongly for a bit, make him look as if he's going to win this company wide tournament that Eamonn suggested. It could be the start of a Bryan turn where he becomes increasingly more frustrated at not getting anywhere near the top since his injury and starts to resent his time in WWE. It started with Wyatt going over Bryan at Raw, an early Royal Rumble elimination, it can carry on with Bryan losing to Axel in this tournament and have Reigns winning it against someone quite well established, maybe Rollins? You could add a few little losses on Raw with some roll up wins out of nowhere. Introduce Ziggler who tries to help Bryan get through it but is on the end of a bitch slap which could set up an interesting little feud and an awesome Wrestlemania match. Reigns still gets his time at Wrestlemania against Lesnar.

 

[iesty wfc]

knowing WWE, they will run with the Curtis Axel thing on NXT and not mainstream programming.

 

[Libertine]

Bryan and Ziggler seem to be trying to get a match between themselves going on Twitter.

 

[ForeverUnited]

In case some of you didn't know, there is a Live Smack down tonight on sky, 1am.

 

[Saddlerrad]

'Cancel the NFL Network movement' - Trips golden on the mic again.

 

[White Army]

This is more like it

 

[iesty wfc]

so they have done what many thought they would do, interesting

also fobbed off Axel

 

[GodsGift]

Anyone got a link for this podcast?

 

[mase]

Anyone got a link for this podcast?

Spoiler: link

http://crimaz.com/watch-wwe-network-exclusive-stone-cold-podcast-with-triple-h/

 

[GodsGift]

Thank you muchly

 

[way 4 england]

I'm guessing they don't have the internet in Denver. Odd crowd last night. After the Rumble backlash there was almost as good a reaction for Roman as Bryan.

 

[This Charming Mike]

Cena in the hunt for the US title, is this 2004?

 

[mase]

Cena in the hunt for the US title, is this 2004?

Won't find me complaining. Will be refreshing to say the least.

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

Great Raw last night.

Hopefully WWE do the right thing at fast lane and have Bryan win, which could then leave Reigns to go in a Shield triple threat with Rollins and the hopefully soon to be Intercontinental champ Ambrose for that belt.

Potential card for WM

Sting vs HHH - Steel Cage
Cena vs Rusev - US Championship
Goldust vs Stardust
Random Divas match
Uso's vs Kidd/Cesaro vs Ziggler/Ryback vs Miz/Mizdow - Ladders match for the Tag Team Titles
Orton vs Wyatt
Rollins vs Reigns vs Ambrose - Intercontinental Title
Lesnar vs Bryan - WWE World Heavyweight Championship

 

[This Charming Mike]

Really don't think they'll let Bryan go over Reigns and piss on his Rumble win like that.

Reckon the top of the card will look something like this:

Sting vs HHH
Lesnar vs Reigns
Rollins vs Orton
Cena vs Rusev

 

[Saddlerrad]

I still think Reigns will be in the title match to be honest. I suspect we will end up seeing Bryan vs Reigns vs Rollins at Fast Lane, an amazing Triple Threat which the crowd loves and it a good match that will make Reigns look stronger. I doubt they'd just piss on someone they clearly see as a future star in the company just to get a few fans back on the Network quickly.

Triple H shitting on the smarks again was hilarious.

 

[mase]

Wyatt's last two vignette's are seriously hinting at Undertaker imo.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Wyatt's last two vignette's are seriously hinting at Undertaker imo.

Makes me wonder if Wyatt's sudden loss of weight is to make him more fluid and controlable in the ring for someone who is broken and ageing like Taker? Not sure it would be a match worthy of TV though. Don't like Wyatt, he's clumsy and repetitive and Undertaker is finished unless a legend carries him to a match.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Spoiler: link

http://crimaz.com/watch-wwe-network-exclusive-stone-cold-podcast-with-triple-h/

Surprised by how 'real' that was. The difference between the HHH interview and the Vince interview show where they are currently at. HHH tredding the 'throwing Vince under the bus' line very closely at times. Trips with the biggest face turn of all time on the internet. Mentions of Punk, Chyna, Benoit, burying Kevin Dunn for the lack of talent promos, turning back to a 2 hour show.

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

Makes me wonder if Wyatt's sudden loss of weight is to make him more fluid and controlable in the ring for someone who is broken and ageing like Taker? Not sure it would be a match worthy of TV though. Don't like Wyatt, he's clumsy and repetitive and Undertaker is finished unless a legend carries him to a match.

He had a great match with Ziggles last night, but I suppose the argument is that everybody has a good match with him.

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

Really don't think they'll let Bryan go over Reigns and piss on his Rumble win like that.

Reckon the top of the card will look something like this:

Sting vs HHH
Lesnar vs Reigns
Rollins vs Orton
Cena vs Rusev

Sadly I agree. He definitely isn't going to lose clean but I'm living hope they have Rollins screw him over.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

If WWE gave Wrestlemania Ziggler Vs Bryan as afew suggest i think the crowd reaction won't be so bad.

It isn't fully a case of fans resenting them shoving Reigns down throat i don't think, end of day if you watch WWE weekly you must be used to that by now. but the rumble died a death as they treated people like Bryan and Ziggler like sh*te which is not what you do with fan faves, could you have imagined them doing that with Savage back in 1989 or Bret Hart back in 1992 or Michaels back in 1995.....yep them guys didn't always be at the top but they were given solid feuds, good time for matches and not treated like sh*te.

 

[GodsGift]

DB v Ziggler would be a great matchup for WM but I'm not entirely convinced it'll keep the fans happy. Even if they're not gonna put the title back on him, the fans just want him involved in the main event scene in some form.

 

[Steady]

I don't know about you, but I think it's about time we heard Dave talk about 90s wrestling a little more.

 

[Dolph Ziggler]

DB v Ziggler would be a great matchup for WM but I'm not entirely convinced it'll keep the fans happy. Even if they're not gonna put the title back on him, the fans just want him involved in the main event scene in some form.

The fans arent stupid. We know that if Bryan Vs Ziggler is to happen, it'll get the biggest pop of the night and will steal the show.

It's a shame because we know as fans that something like Rollins Vs Bryan Vs Ziggler for the WWEWHC at 'Mania would be one of the greatest matches of our lifetime. You can't hold Ziggler back much longer, he's too good to be a midcarder and will end up going elsewhere and earning more money than the WWE will allow him to earn.

Trips comments about the CancelNFLNetwork movement were golden, i'm not even mad. Had Vince said it i'd be pissed, but Trips seems to get it. He seems to be the one person in that company (at a push, Stephanie too) that understands where the product NEEDS to be.

 

[Leewilson]

Reigns is still going to WM. The announcement made that obvious enough. It's a way to make it look like Reigns is legitimately earning the shot and beating the likes of Bryan. The crowd are going to be massively pro Bryan at Fast Lane though.

Ziggler vs Bryan would be awesome. If Rollins somehow gets involved at Fast Lane, I'm expecting some sort of Orton involvement setting up their match at WM (which would also be a belter).

 

[RavenBish]

Ziggler isn't that good, amazes me how much people rate him just because he's good at selling. Name one really good match he's been in.

WM is looking weird right now, there's about 12 matches set up already so no idea how they're going to cut it all down. They need to get Rollins in that ME somehow (considering he's the best in-ring performer in the company)...I'd love a fatal 4 way or triple threat.

 

[RavenBish]

This spear was ace tbf

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B87JhGCIIAAuw3Y.mp4

 

[Saddlerrad]

Ziggler isn't that good, amazes me how much people rate him just because he's good at selling. Name one really good match he's been in.

WM is looking weird right now, there's about 12 matches set up already so no idea how they're going to cut it all down. They need to get Rollins in that ME somehow (considering he's the best in-ring performer in the company)...I'd love a fatal 4 way or triple threat.

On the flipside, name a bad match he has had? Given how stale and shit some of the performers on the roster are (not talentless, just not used correctly) virtually all of Zigglers matches stand out as MOTN or at least a top 2 candidate and that's on virtually every episode of Raw for about 2 years. I wouldn't say he's great, but a proper feud that's built with good solid grounds between either Ziggler/Rollins or Ziggler/Bryan - would be wrestling gold IMO. I agree on Rollins though, the bloke is immense.

 

[Eamonn]

I think Ziggler can be a top player, has the look, is over, great in ring and getting better on the mic, has lots of charisma, hes had lots of very good matches, as above I cant recall a single poor or below average match, hes had terrific matches with Kofi, Rey, Punk, Orton, ADR, Jericho, Sheamus, Bryan over the years, the ladder match with Cena was great, he put in a great showing at Survivor Series. The Ziggler/Kidd/Cesaro triple threat a couple of months ago was MOTY candidate. Practically anyone hes up against he has a good match with. When Ziggler gets the platform to perform at a PPV he will deliver, give him and Bryan 20 minutes at WM and it will be immense.

Will post my comments on Raw and the podcast when I've finished watching.