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  1. Max

    Last 16: England v Iceland 27th June, 8pm

    I'm a relentless England optimist. We're going to win 3-0.
  2. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Fair enough, I'm happy to agree to disagree! I just think your optimism is misplaced! For what it's worth, I am surprised that the MPs didn't wait for the Tories' leadership election to move against Corbyn, but most people don't think he'll beat May or Johnson in a general.
  3. Max

    The Labour Thread

    You're not really addressing the central point, though: Do you think it is important the Labour Party can win a general election? Do you really think Jeremy Corbyn can win a general election? The definition of 'Blairite', and we could go round and round about this, is definitely not 'someone...
  4. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Not dismissing your other points but just so we are talking about the same thing, do you really think Ed Miliband is too right wing?
  5. Max

    The Labour Thread

    I personally don't think Hilary Benn should lead the party. But stop pretending he's right wing. He supported military intervention in Syria ... he also voted for a fox hunting ban, for gay rights, is in favour of the right to die, for the smoking ban, against the bedroom tax, against...
  6. Max

    The Labour Thread

    The Labour as a left wing socialist party lost three elections against Thatcher and one against John Major before deciding to adjust. New Labour was not an overnight betrayal of the party, it was a necessary evolution for people to actually listen to the party. Before Blair the last Labour...
  7. Max

    The Labour Thread

    The basis of the coup is that there is probably a general election coming up, and Labour do not have a chance of winning it if things stay as they are. Europe may be the trigger and the main reason being cited in some of the resignation letters, but had Remain won, Jeremy would likely have been...
  8. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Also, as another exhibit in support of my argument. This clown is now shadowing Michael Gove: You might hate Michael Gove, but he's a canny operator, gets shit done, and needs holding to account. He's actually done quite well in the Justice brief, mainly by rolling back all of Grayling's...
  9. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Well the last figures that showed support for his membership were in February, so I would imagine they have declined a bit since then. In the leadership election he won 59% of the vote, against 41% of the other combined three. I don't think it is fanciful to think in a 1v1 contest with someone...
  10. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Today has been interesting. Big talk from Aber and Pliny about how all the resigning shadow cabinet are no loss, but I have officially given up on Corbyn today with the promotion of Diane Abbott to shadow health secretary. Diane Abbott who was a catastrophic failure in her brief at public...
  11. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Also, Chris Bryant has also just resigned. We haven't really mentioned much in this thread how much Corbyn's weak EU support has contributed to his unpopularity with MPs, but this resignation letter is brutal: https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/747165335804121088/photo/1
  12. Max

    The Labour Thread

    I did definitely think we could do better than 2015 in 2020, with the Corbyn message around nationalising major industries, raising the minimum wage, taking the personality attacks out of politics and opposition to intervention in foreign wars. However with that, ultimately a lot of his ideas...
  13. Max

    The Labour Thread

    It is just a personal aversion really. I disliked that he apparently didn't understand that wanting to be the leader would invite scrutiny of him. He stood down, and I think has crossed the line from criticising Corbyn to just relentlessly briefing against him. Additionally, I was told, as a...
  14. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Of course you get a say. As members, we both do. So does Hilary Benn. My point is that Labour has always held a load of different viewpoints and suddenly in the last year, people seem to have forgotten this and got very rigid about what 'Labour values' are. I am genuinely sorry - I didn't mean...
  15. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Six years an MP, from the left of the party, represents a Northern seat, female, young, popular with MPs, had a career before politics, 10-1 odds with the bookies as it stands. Doesn't come with the baggage of someone like John McDonnell, Tom Watson or David Miliband. Please do explain your...
  16. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Hilary Benn has been a Labour Party member for 45 years. Why are you the arbiter of what the party's values are? Also, do you support de-selection for all Labour MPs that voted for military action in Syria? Jeremy is showing himself to be pretty divorced from reality. Much as I admire the man...
  17. Max

    The Labour Thread

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election Labour have not held a consistent lead over the Conservatives in the opinion polls, or come anywhere close, since the election. This is a very unpopular government, and it should be easier to be...
  18. Max

    The Labour Thread

    Does it not concern you that Jeremy Corbyn is not capitalising on a government in chaos, and is not perceived as a credible future prime minister? A lot of people that voted for Jeremy, myself included, can see that this isn't working.
  19. Max

    The Labour Thread

    I voted for Corbyn in the leadership election, having been a member of the party since 2010. He wasn't ideal, but I was horrified by the idea of the Labour Party attempting to be a credible opposition by emulating the ideas and language of the Conservative Party. I suspected the Corbyn...
  20. Max

    European Union Referendum

    Not at all, from my point of view. But I AM being asked to celebrate by Nigel Farage (who I think is a political obsessive and a race-baiter), Boris Johnson (who decided this was a great idea based on careerism) and Michael Gove (who I actually don't mind). I'm being told to hope it will be...
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