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Important to add that we have all agreed based on evidence*. Quality is relative, Juste, you're right. We are used to the Rolex standard of L1 and L2. Deal with it.

I place the Scottish second tier closer to NL than L2. I don't know or care about St Mirren within it. Maybe St Mirren could survive in L2, as NL clubs could. This proves nothing to aid your argument. This stance has been explained many times in the plainest English and only you seem to have...

l will admit that rangers (and celtic) are at least as big as peterborough

"Probably" :lol: "Probably" the l2 sides played enough NL teams in pre season. Sounds like you got dunked on.

No. That is why I used average figures rather than figures for one club. You do know how averages work, don't you? They also wouldn't look out of place in the National League. Don't know why you can't grasp this. No matter how many times you say some tinpot team is "comfortably L2 standard"...

But closer to the National League, which makes it a better comparison than your ridiculous L2 assertion. That is why we refer to averages. You do know how averages work, don't you? Are you seriously saying that you must be right, or Sunderland would have potentially acted inefficiently, and...

Ah now that's a point. We also lost 7-1 to Birmingham in the same season. Well, now I can't wait for our trip to Winterfell or wherever you play

But the average second division attendance is 2,881. That's so far below the L2 average that the comparison is laughable. 2,045 in the National league looks like a better fit. If you remember the comments that originally got you involved in this thread, we were all surprised at the hype Ross...

What happened to the keeper Pompey all loved?

So you can't show me the posts where people accepted your evidence that the second division was L2 standard? My workings: St Mirren averaged 4,448 last season L2 averaged 4,474. 4,474 is higher than 4,448. There is absolutely nothing in the attendance figures to invalidate the comparison...

St Mirren's average attendance was lower than the L2 average. They won the league. Comparing L2 and the second tier on this basis is entirely disingenuous, it's clear L2 is ahead. National League is entirely fair as a comparison. Good God you've wasted your time here. Can you show me where...

Sweet. Although good luck to him, just didn't work out here. Definitely wouldn't want Mowatt back at Ox.

Doesn't NL mean National league?

Thanks for the exp

Why?

So can you answer my question and actually just show the post that justifies you talking about Northern Ireland so much? I never said Scottish football was objectively terrible and getting worse. You sound a bit confused.

Do we keep mentioning Celtic and Rangers because they're the only teams that might make a go of it in L1 or is there another reason?

you haven't disproved anything, I haven't seen one person swayed by your arguments. why do you keep mentioning Wales and N Ireland?

It looks like we have accepted the Scottish second division is a pub league, and we are now coming up with reasons why. Is that a fair summary?