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I don't imagine they feel it that way at all. The title was stripped from the club due to the actions of the club, not the players. Anyway, does anyone actually think Rooney is better than Ibrahimovic? No, rather someone argued a strikers peak is 9 years (based on "biology") and that Gerrard...

Correct, I think I left it after "Gerrard is intelligent because Craig Bellamy said he had footballing intelligence". Hard to counter that. It's a wonder Gascgoine isn't CEO of Goldman Sachs with his abundant footballing intelligence.

The titles were stripped from the club, I don't think they went around taking medals. The players weren't even aware, hard to blame them. Anyone who thinks my posts are like War and Peace, have not read War and Peace. It's a great book, I'd highly recommend it. And it means next time you use...

It is not perfectly reasonable, it is complete nonsense. Is it a fair assumption? No - absolutely not. I'm stunned you can't see this. As for me trying to pull "whool" (sic) I knew Zlatan had an incredible, unprecedented record of winning league titles. I thought it extended back to his time to...

You said he would score three times as many goals. This was utterly ridiculous. Still, the rest of what you said was that players peak last 9 years only for strikers. I'm not convinced by this - there are plenty of contrary examples. Also, I think starting later is completely different to...

Scottish people who have never watched tennis know more about Andy Murray than you! The statement, nonsensical though it is, is less conjecture than Rooney scoring 3x as many goals as Ibrahimovic in the Swedish second division. At least with the former there is some consensus on the gulf in...

This was when Joe Cole was good (he did well in the tournament too), he had better pedigree than any of those mentioned above. His career nose dived at the end, but there's no doubt he was better in 2006 than any of those players. Alli gets marked down due to a bad season, the rest are far off...

Oh no, it absolutely is more ridiculous. I have made no comment on the quality of the Swedish second division because I don't know. However, even if I had no idea about the quality of the league I absolutely can challenge the unquantifiable, and absurd, statement that Rooney would score 3x...

My lack of knowledge in this field is solely down to me not watching Swedish second division football? Does anyone think that Rooney would score 3x as many goals at that level? How on earth could anyone know such a thing?

An interesting way to consider the direction in which national teams are going is to consider previous squads and how many of the current squad would get in. Consider the 2006 World Cup (the last time England did quite well). How many of the current crop would make it into the below? Robinson...

I was comparing 'non peak' Zlatan with 'non peak' Rooney. Non Peak Zlatan won titles with Juventus (the fact they were retracted is irrelevant to his personal achievement). Non peak Rooney was let go early by Everton. So, to reiterate, Zlatans peak was higher, as was his non peak. At non peak...

So you can make the case but you won't? Bit of a waste of everyones time. As it is, no one factor will ever be a good means of comparison. Relative achievements, team and individual, absolutely are relevant though. Muller is a key part of a winning team at club and international level, he isn't...

Well, footballing intelligence (how I would define it, and how it is defined by Leo) isn't relevant at all. It relates to a players concept of space, vision etc. It's useful when you are playing football, but not for anything else. Rooney clearly has footballing intelligence but he is...

Sorry, if you don't realise there is a difference between footballing intelligence and actual intelligence then we are done here. I'm....just shocked. Shocked at it all.

But to reiterate, it happened in the most read newspaper in the UK. Whether or not he is better is moot, people thought he was great and it was clear to me he absolutely was not. I pointed it out, and I was vindicated. Glen Johnson is a great example - people used to think he was good player...

So nobody said it...except the most read newspaper in the UK? I never seen that Daily Mail headline - care to provide a link? I'd say by 31 he will no longer be starting for City. Depends, if he has more games like he did against Liverpool in the CL it will be much sooner than that. And...

Hard to respond when you have made absolutely zero points above. I've watched enough interviews to conclude Gerrard is not intelligent, it didn't even have to be that many. Indeed, in football intelligent people stick out like a sore thumb - they are obvious and treated as such. Nobody has...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3087316/Never-mind-David-Gea-Manuel-Neuer-Joe-Hart-best-goalkeeper-world-time.html

It is one of many factors. However, don't know why you are jumping on me - I provided 1 factor, the person asserting the contrary provided zero. I'll provide one more factor - Muller won the World Cup Golden boot and Silver boot. Rooneys record in international tournaments is awful. If you...

Rooney is 4 years older and has won a lot less.