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Would you?
Ultimately they are nationalists and that would stop me voting for them.
Yes. They seem to be a genuinely credible social-democratic party, [...]
How would they pull that off?? That'd be bonkers even for the Tories.that won't work when Labour and conservative start to whack the blame on them for every single thing that goes wrong.
I'd consider it.
I've always been baffled by the idea that nationalism is an inherently bad thing too, btw.
There's an element of us and them about most political ideologies. Including conservatism and socialism. One of the appealing aspects of (civic) nationalism is that it gives everyone a sense of belonging and encourages cooperation in the national interest.My issue with nationalism is pretty simple. They be very definition seek to divide, to create an 'us and them' political narrative, an 'evil' foreigner who doesn't have the best interests of the natives at heart. They emphasis differences and rely on identity politics rather than reasoned argument about what is best for the country or the wider world. For me this is the antithesis of what we should be which is fostering international relations and working together in a supranational manner.
My issue with nationalism is pretty simple. They be very definition seek to divide, to create an 'us and them' political narrative, an 'evil' foreigner who doesn't have the best interests of the natives at heart. They emphasis differences and rely on identity politics rather than reasoned argument about what is best for the country or the wider world. For me this is the antithesis of what we should be which is fostering international relations and working together in a supranational manner.
By definition? That isn't true at all. I would suggest the reason so many nationalist parties behave that way is because in the shadow of what the Nazis did the mainstream doesn't want to touch nationalism with a ten foot barge pole. We've thrown the baby out with the bathwater and surrendered nationalism to the nutters for fear that it's somehow innately or "by definition" a step on the road to fascism.
Not enough people understand the EU to make the connection. There's still a widespread belief that Euroscepticism boils down to xenophobia.^
They don't want real independence, hence their enthusiasm for the EU. They just want a divorce from England. An understandable wish in some respects, but it's a shame more people (especially South of Hadrian's Wall) can't see it for what it is, and/or continue to give the Nats the benefit of the doubt.
Why can't you?I'd move to Scotland if I could.
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