Nobody needs to worry about relegation

[northstandexile]

With Bolton and Bury likely to get thrown out of EFL this week, then no one will be relegated this season from League Two.

Happy days.

 

[GodsGift]

I thought Carlisle had already gone?

 

[Posh Harry]

I thought Carlisle had already gone?

I hope the bookies give my money back. I took hg at face value and bet on them to go down at 16-1

 

[shoddycollins]

With Bolton and Bury likely to get thrown out of EFL this week, then no one will be relegated this season from League Two.

Happy days.

Don't think Bolton are likely to get thrown out. Can you imagine though how shit a season it would become if relegation were taken off the table. Morecambe would probably just down tools and take the rest of the season off.

 

[valefan16]

Bolton have till Tuesday or are in all sorts of trouble. It’s dragged out ages when allegedly close.

Bury are a breakdown of talks away from being gone.

Crazy.

 

[Vanni]

If Bury and/or Bolton go pop then the two sides in 23rd and 24th come May should not get reprieved. Three or four sides will then come up from the connie to make up the numbers.

And if Wrexham still fail to join us next season with four spots up for grabs, then they should lose the 'proper' club status they enjoy at present. Only fair enough me thinks.

 

[shoddycollins]

If Bury and/or Bolton go pop then the two sides in 23rd and 24th come May should not get reprieved. Three or four sides will then come up from the connie to make up the numbers.

And if Wrexham still fail to join us next season with four spots up for grabs, then they should lose the 'proper' club status they enjoy at present. Only fair enough me thinks.

Yeah but the league will vote on it and they're not likely to vote for four teams up from the conference

 

[Vanni]

Yeah but the league will vote on it and they're not likely to vote for four teams up from the conference

Yeah, you're right. I don't see it happening either and I'm only grasping at straws really with my idea. I know that no relegation means we can all rest easy (esp. the usual suspects) but it's doesn't sit right with me.

If this were to happen, then I may very well be tempted to start betting on footy again. I'm not saying the bottom sides will just give up now or anything but it will surely make things easier for the top sides chasing promotion or the play offs when they come up against the poor sides down at the bottom, who'll have nothing to play for.

 

[GTFCfish]

There is one Carlisle fan and one Scunthorpe fan who will be devastated if this happens as they can then no longer whinge and moan after every fucking game about how they are both certain for relegation and the end of the world is nigh.

 

[The Terminator]

I've resisted the urge to put a thread on this, because it implies (IMO) that we want Bury and Bolton gone - which nobody wants.

If the apocalypse does happen and they're both thrown out, then the EFLs problems in League One will filter down into this league as well - Because to have no one relegated from this league for a year badly damages the integrity of the game IMO - You will have players and clubs effectively downing tools very early on in the second half of the season if they have nothing to play for.

We shall see what happens, what a mess.

 

[loz]

Surely if they are banished, only 2 teams will be relegated from l1, thus only affecting 1 division. Or, am i being too simplistic?

 

[GTFCfish]

Surely if they are banished, only 2 teams will be relegated from l1, thus only affecting 1 division. Or, am i being too simplistic?

Yes but as four go up from League 2, with only two coming down from League 1 we would be 2 teams short, so therefore the two League 2 relegation spots would not be used to balance it back out.

 

[T.A]

Mansfield fans bricking it already. #BringBackFlicker

 

[Buxton Vale]

From the news currently coming out of Bolton, I would say they are possibly at risk at least as much as Bury. The efl should have dealt with them much earlier. A few teams goal difference are going to suffer if Bolton go.

 

[loz]

Yes but as four go up from League 2, with only two coming down from League 1 we would be 2 teams short, so therefore the two League 2 relegation spots would not be used to balance it back out.

Pardon my maths but if 2 are kicked out, 2 are relegated; doesn't that leave room for 4?

 

[Greenacres]

If the apocalypse does happen and they're both thrown out, then the EFLs problems in League One will filter down into this league as well - Because to have no one relegated from this league for a year badly damages the integrity of the game IMO - You will have players and clubs effectively downing tools very early on in the second half of the season if they have nothing to play for.

We shall see what happens, what a mess.

It is a mess and it makes me wonder how many teams are in a precarious position financially, sadly I am sure they aren't alone in that respect.

The top of the game is swilling in money, teams relegated from the Premier League get huge parachute payments, but lower down there seems to be little to go around. I will be sad if either, or both, of Bolton and Bury are expelled from the league...the real loss, other than the jobs of those working for the club, will be the fans...just ordinary people like me, and everyone else who posts on here, for whom their football club is one of the main focuses in their life.

Can you imagine a Saturday when you didn't have a game to go and watch, or results to fret about, I certainly can't.

 

[shoddycollins]

Pardon my maths but if 2 are kicked out, 2 are relegated; doesn't that leave room for 4?

Not sure what you mean. It leaves room for 4, but that space would only be filled by 2 therefore two more are needed.

This is what normally happens:
24 this season
-4 (promoted to L1) = 20
-2 (relegated to NL) = 18
+4 (relegated from L1) = 22
+2 (promoted from NL) =24 next season

If Bolton and Bury are kicked out of the league, and nothing is done to rebalance then it would be this:
24 this season
-4 (promoted to L1) = 20
-2 (relegated to NL) = 18
+2 (relegated from L1) = 20
+2 (promoted from NL) =22 next season

The most likely rebalance would be this:
24 this season
-4 (promoted to L1) = 20
-0 (relegated to NL) = 20
+2 (relegated from L1) = 22
+2 (promoted from NL) =24 next season

In turn that would leave the National League two teams short, and they'd likely reprieve a couple teams from relegation too, which would, leave either the NL North or South two teams short (or one team each, it depends on who gets reprieved and who can be moved from one to the other). It'll keep going down until you either reach a league that would rather just be short a team or two than reprieve a side or you reach a league that can accept Bolton and/or Bury as new teams for 2020/21.

 

[AdamStag]

Mansfield fans bricking it already. #BringBackFlicker

We went down as he was shit not because burys owners basically “cheated” at the expense of their club and fans.

And it’s not like mansfield fans could actually then turn around and have a go for other clubs spending beyond their means, would be a tad contradictory

 

[Indian Dan]

If both clubs go bust the leagues will realign with no club getting relegated from L2. Simples!

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

I was under the impression that ALL rules, regulations, terms , conditions and rewards for entering and competing in a league were set in stone before the seasons fixtures are published and first game played - thereafter the rules can't be changed regardless

All the fuss about Salford's poor amenities is because of the inability to predict a promotion club from the conference in time for them to construct/provide higher grade amenities in time for their FL debut so the EFL now allow a grace period for clubs like this to get the works done

of course previously relegated clubs will have an advantage there.

Reckon best to carry on as it is numbers-wise for promo & reg this season , play next season one team short then the numbers can be re-adjusted for the following season at the agm.

 

[Buxton Vale]

BBC reporting that Boltons takeover has collapsed, and they have until 5.00pm tomorrow. That's it then.

 

[northstandexile]

Bury should have had their 12 points deduction last season.

They deliberately dragged it out so they could get promotion.

They should have finished mid table.

The team who finished fourth last season should really have finished third and been promoted.

I am sure other supporters would feel the same if their team finished fourth last season with Bury finishing in top three.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

some Exewebbers seem to think a rich sugardaddy would be a boon for our club.......I just say -

Look around, look at the chaos these egomaniacs bring to your clubs both past and present..........heck, Steve Dale didn't even know Bury had a football club until ke popped into Poundland last Christmas to buy his wife's xmas present.


Bought for £1 yet -

• Dale’s demands, which he has reduced from £2m, are still scaring away potential buyers.
• The owner believes he is due the payments for what he insists is “all the hard work he has done” since succeeding previous owner Stewart Day.
• A worrying 43 of the 51 companies Dale has been associated with have been liquidated.
• The three bids for Bury range from £2m to £2.5m for the club that in total is £9m in debt.

Dale did reduce his price and is expected now to accept an initial payment of £560,000.

And if Bury do survive then stay in League One despite starting with a 12-point deduction for going into a Company Voluntary Arrangement he would be paid a further £250,000.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

Bury should have had their 12 points deduction last season.

They deliberately dragged it out so they could get promotion.

They should have finished mid table.

The team who finished fourth last season should really have finished third and been promoted.

I am sure other supporters would feel the same if their team finished fourth last season with Bury finishing in top three.

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Bury should never have been accepted into League One, they would then have found themselves in limbo land .....that would've been simplest

 

[dedwardp]

I will be sad if either, or both, of Bolton and Bury are expelled from the league...the real loss, other than the jobs of those working for the club, will be the fans...just ordinary people like me, and everyone else who posts on here, for whom their football club is one of the main focuses in their life.

Can you imagine a Saturday when you didn't have a game to go and watch, or results to fret about, I certainly can't.

The real suffering for me is to all of the creditors who have been ripped off and those losing their jobs. The fans are the club and if the business goes bust, they start up again. They'll still have their club and they'll work their way back. Might not be as easy for those local businesses.

 

[shoddycollins]

I was under the impression that ALL rules, regulations, terms , conditions and rewards for entering and competing in a league were set in stone before the seasons fixtures are published and first game played - thereafter the rules can't be changed regardless

Reprieves used to happen all the time back when the Conference was full of teams who couldn't be admitted to the League due to their facilities. I know a reprieve was the method used when Aldershot were kicked out because we were the club reprieved. Gateshead's expulsion from the National League last season resulted in a reprieve then for Aldershot of all teams. I think previous expulsions also always resulted in reprieves. The EFL members will always vote on things like this (if it isn't already an established principle), nothing is ever really set in stone.

 

[shoddycollins]

Bury should have had their 12 points deduction last season.

They deliberately dragged it out so they could get promotion.

They should have finished mid table.

The team who finished fourth last season should really have finished third and been promoted.

I am sure other supporters would feel the same if their team finished fourth last season with Bury finishing in top three.

Stephen Pressley is certainly of that view. I'm not sure though to what extent it was dragged out. I think Bury got promotion in spite of rather than because of Steve Dale. They may have overspent before then to assemble that squad, which is what has wound people up but once Dale took over I think it was just a case for Lowe and the players of knuckling down to try and make the season a success for themselves in spite of not being paid and all the other stuff going on.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

The fans are the club and if the business goes bust, they start up again. They'll still have their club and they'll work their way back..

but if it's fans needing their weekly footy fix then how many clubs are there in Northwest around places like Bury where the footy fans just go to see the best game on wherever it may be ? - loads I'd say, heck , you could probably walk, bus or cheapday return on the train for just a few quid..same goes for Midlands and Northeast to a certain extent.........you're so lucky up that way..

......down in Exeter our nearest alternative league team (this season) is that one down the A38 @45miles....( yeah right , as if - even when they were in the championship it would never happen) then next is Bristol, Forest Green @ 85miles / Newport -Swindon 100+ and so on

so if we lost our club completely and we needed an FL fix we really have no option but to become chipnicker daytrippers.

 

[T.A]

Bury should have had their 12 points deduction last season.

They deliberately dragged it out so they could get promotion.

They should have finished mid table.

The team who finished fourth last season should really have finished third and been promoted.

I am sure other supporters would feel the same if their team finished fourth last season with Bury finishing in top three.

Dragged what out? Everyone keeps blaming Bury but not one fault at the EFL? You are being very naive. The EFL arent fit for purpose. At moment every club is one bad owner away from being in our and Boltons situation.

P.s Mansfield bottled it and they still would have bottled it with our 12 point deduction as another team would have took their place.

 

[T.A]

but if it's fans needing their weekly footy fix then how many clubs are there in Northwest around places like Bury where the footy fans just go to see the best game on wherever it may be ? - loads I'd say, heck , you could probably walk, bus or cheapday return on the train for just a few quid..same goes for Midlands and Northeast to a certain extent.........you're so lucky up that way..

......down in Exeter our nearest alternative league team (this season) is that one down the A38 @45miles....( yeah right , as if - even when they were in the championship it would never happen) then next is Bristol, Forest Green @ 85miles / Newport -Swindon 100+ and so on

so if we lost our club completely and we needed an FL fix we really have no option but to become chipnicker daytrippers.

Because when tickets are £20 upwards they casual fan will choose the pub or their own armchair over a league 1/ 2 club every time especially in the north.