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£2m a year isn't sustainable either unless you're massive like Luton or your owner is filthy rich and not for leaving like Fleetwood or Forest Green. £1.5-2m is probably sustainable for ourselves, Stockport and Notts County. Ourselves and Notts County because we'll both have good revenue streams going into next season and Stockport because of their rich owner who seems to be buying into the model.

Grimsby and Southend might be able to compete financially because of their parachute payments. Hartlepool have a very good manager in charge who could probably get them up on a budget of £1m, but I'm not sure what Chesterfield are playing at. If they don't go up this season surely they'll be in a world of trouble.
A lot of it is historical to be honest. The wage bill has reduced under Rowe as I understand it, and will continue to once we can offload a load of the shit we've got. Will be a revolving door this summer
 

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£2m a year isn't sustainable either unless you're massive like Luton or your owner is filthy rich and not for leaving like Fleetwood or Forest Green. £1.5-2m is probably sustainable for ourselves, Stockport and Notts County. Ourselves and Notts County because we'll both have good revenue streams going into next season and Stockport because of their rich owner who seems to be buying into the model.

Grimsby and Southend might be able to compete financially because of their parachute payments. Hartlepool have a very good manager in charge who could probably get them up on a budget of £1m, but I'm not sure what Chesterfield are playing at. If they don't go up this season surely they'll be in a world of trouble.
How is £1.5-2M sustainable for Wrexham when last time we were here you lot were ramming it down everyone's throat about you being fan owned with a sustainable budget on par with a multipack of Skips?
 

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Paul Hurst on Giles Coke:

“I do think he’s done well, and I do like him as a person. I like some people that can’t kick a football as well, but they won’t be getting contracts.

“I think he’s just the right type of character, but I’ve got to look at the whole picture, and some of that is obviously linked to budgets and other things, and what you can and can’t do.”

LOL at the bold bit. The local rag lead with a picture of Matt Green for this story.

This is off the back of this pearler a month or so ago “You can put a dog on the pitch and it will run around, but you won't do very well with 11 dogs."

Regarding Coke, I hope we don't bring him in. We can do better, especially if we're keeping Harry Clifton who will fill the CM runner role.
I’ve been on and off Clifton for the past 3 seasons and I’ve finally come to the conclusion that I don’t rate him. He’s a tireless worker and good for playing multiple positions but he’s not particularly good at any of them. Personally I’d keep Coke for the defensive midfielder role unless Hurst can find better (tbc).
 

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I believe ours (at least at start of season) was well off even a million. Much lower than previous years but we've actually got someone who can manage and that is what the deciding factor in this league is. Not size of budget really.
 

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I’ve been on and off Clifton for the past 3 seasons and I’ve finally come to the conclusion that I don’t rate him. He’s a tireless worker and good for playing multiple positions but he’s not particularly good at any of them. Personally I’d keep Coke for the defensive midfielder role unless Hurst can find better (tbc).
Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion in L2 terms. I wouldn't want him with us if we stayed up, but with a more restricted budget then a player that has a decent engine and can play in a variety positions isn't a bad one to have. One thing that's really bugged me about him this season is that whenever he's played in CM he's never really attempted to play the ball forward, but stick him on at wing back/full back and suddenly he thinks he's Pirlo, pinging balls all over the shop (mainly out of touch). He's a weird one, because he's tenacious and direct but also gets bullied due to being lightweight. Coke can't really pass either and doesn't cover as much ground as Clifton but he's hardier. I wouldn't be massively arsed about which one we kept or if we got rid of both. Keep them both though and I think we've dropped a clanger.
 

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How is £1.5-2M sustainable for Wrexham when last time we were here you lot were ramming it down everyone's throat about you being fan owned with a sustainable budget on par with a multipack of Skips?
I mean going forward. Our transfer budget was over £1m in the last few years. If I recall correctly, it was around £1.2m when Bryan Hughes was in charge. We pretty much spunked the lot though through dire leadership at the top.

Our shirt sponsorship alone will now be in the millions as opposed to the £250k or so we've been getting in the previous years. We're filthy stinking rich for once.
 

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I believe ours (at least at start of season) was well off even a million. Much lower than previous years but we've actually got someone who can manage and that is what the deciding factor in this league is. Not size of budget really.
I hope for his sake you go up because if fans are allowed back in stadiums by next season he's gonna be getting some almighty abuse for 2 x 90 minutes from us.
 

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A lot of it is historical to be honest. The wage bill has reduced under Rowe as I understand it, and will continue to once we can offload a load of the shit we've got. Will be a revolving door this summer
For the fans I hope it all ends well, but the club themselves have left a really sour taste.
 

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I believe ours (at least at start of season) was well off even a million. Much lower than previous years but we've actually got someone who can manage and that is what the deciding factor in this league is. Not size of budget really.
Yeah, my worry is that we finish in the play-offs, don't go up but we keep hold of Keates. You could give him a budget of £10m and he'll still be setting up for a 0-0 away at Maidenhead.
 

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I hope for his sake you go up because if fans are allowed back in stadiums by next season he's gonna be getting some almighty abuse for 2 x 90 minutes from us.
What's the BEEF with Challinor like?
 

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Yeah, my worry is that we finish in the play-offs, don't go up but we keep hold of Keates. You could give him a budget of £10m and he'll still be setting up for a 0-0 away at Maidenhead.
He doesn't want to be Devonshired. It's a stain that lasts the whole of a manager's career.
 

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What's the BEEF with Challinor like?
Absolutely brutally ended Martin Pringle's career with one of the worst horror tackles of all time, completely malicious. Fucking scumbag and hated universally by Town fans.
 

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For the fans I hope it all ends well, but the club themselves have left a really sour taste.
Why? You can have Yussuf back if he means that much to you pal
 

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How is £1.5-2M sustainable for Wrexham when last time we were here you lot were ramming it down everyone's throat about you being fan owned with a sustainable budget on par with a multipack of Skips?

It wasn't when we were fan owned, although we were also the only club making a profit for the last few years.

It might be sustainable once the new owners have sorted out the corporate/marketing and community elements, and we've got brand spanking new training facilities and a new Kop.
 

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I mean going forward. Our transfer budget was over £1m in the last few years. If I recall correctly, it was around £1.2m when Bryan Hughes was in charge. We pretty much spunked the lot though through dire leadership at the top.

Our shirt sponsorship alone will now be in the millions as opposed to the £250k or so we've been getting in the previous years. We're filthy stinking rich for once.

It wasn't when we were fan owned, although we were also the only club making a profit for the last few years.

It might be sustainable once the new owners have sorted out the corporate/marketing and community elements, and we've got brand spanking new training facilities and a new Kop.
Does securing multiple seasons of a hit Netflix documentary also count as sustainable? What's the deal with the shirts too? Have you got a new top tier sponsor?
 

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Absolutely brutally ended Martin Pringle's career with one of the worst horror tackles of all time, completely malicious. Fucking scumbag and hated universally by Town fans.
He was playing for us at the time. Don't personally remember it but whenever Challinor is mentioned at our end, that tackle is brought up and is described with the same disdain as you have mentioned. He's not well liked by County fans.

He's doing a good job with Hartlepool though and actually seems alright when I've seen him interviewed etc after their games vs us.
 

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Does securing multiple seasons of a hit Netflix documentary also count as sustainable? What's the deal with the shirts too? Have you got a new top tier sponsor?

We may have next season.

So far all we've really got is electronic hoardings, and they are sorting out the club shop and concourse areas. Our new CEO doesn't start till June. The work starts properly then.
 

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He was playing for us at the time. Don't personally remember it but whenever Challinor is mentioned at our end, that tackle is brought up and is described with the same disdain as you have mentioned. He's not well liked by County fans.

He's doing a good job with Hartlepool though and actually seems alright when I've seen him interviewed etc after their games vs us.
Always had a lot of time for Stockport fans and this confirms why. Speak to any Town fan that was there that day and they won't talk about how they saw it, they'll inevitably talk about how they heard it. Also fair play to Carlton Palmer for subbing him off (only got a yellow) and fining him (FA did fuck all).
 

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Hang on, what's this talk of £2m wage budgets? I'm pretty sure the salary cap for League 2 this season was £1.5m!

Ours last season in the Conference was supposedly around a million (which still seems high for us) and was roughly the 10th biggest budget. If you're spending double that, you must have incredibly incompetent management if you can't win the league by 30 points.
 

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Thanks, we don't play wing-backs. He sounds like Elbouzedi who we loaned to Bolton in January tbf.
He’s also in contract for another year I think and as you probably know we don’t need the money.

I’d agree with others - he would be more than fine in League Two but that’s probably his limit considering he’s mid 20’s and he’s been in and out of our team all season as he’s competing with a very consistent right back in Sam Minihan.
 

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This is not a rumour, more an educated guess. We announced our retained list today, and I would not be surprised if Torquay or maybe Yeovil showed interest in young striker Klaidi Lolos. He is just not at League 1 standard but he has scored outside of the league.
 

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Our retained list is expected today or tomorrow. Hurst is reportedly happy with the budget and has alluded to being able to not have to worry about releasing players to balance things up. Hopefully that means we're taking the hit and just releasing all the dross and bad apples.
 

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I've heard we are moving to sign Jack Clarke permanently, currently on loan from Villa. Looks a good player, a bit of a rough diamond but someone I think that could play at a higher level. Was Villa U23's captain before his loan spell here.
 

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Has he played much? It’s a fact of life down here now that they just disappear before you’ve seen them. Our two most promising youth team prospects in recent years signed for Liverpool and Tottenham with a grand total of four first team appearances between them.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us follow our spirit clubs Brentford etc and ditch the traditional academy model soon in favour of one of those development teams.
 

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Has he played much? It’s a fact of life down here now that they just disappear before you’ve seen them. Our two most promising youth team prospects in recent years signed for Liverpool and Tottenham with a grand total of four first team appearances between them.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us follow our spirit clubs Brentford etc and ditch the traditional academy model soon in favour of one of those development teams.
Nope, hasn't played a single game for the seniors. It's almost better that way. Don't see a minute of them, don't know how good they are.

And yeah, I suspect you won't be the only club ditching their academy over the next few seasons if you do. It would be great if doing so, somehow created a loophole that bypasses EPPP.
 

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