Welcome Derby County to League 1

Luke Imp

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
11,197
Reaction score
2,636
Points
113
Location
Lincoln
Supports
Lincoln City
Still baffles me that HMRC allow that kinda debt to be racked up (relative to the size of the business)?
 

northstandexile

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2015
Messages
2,147
Reaction score
602
Points
113
Supports
Mansfield
Still baffles me that HMRC allow that kinda debt to be racked up (relative to the size of the business)?
During COVID the government was quite lax with companies chasing tax debt.
 

91SPP

Active Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
439
Reaction score
73
Points
28
Location
Derbyshire
Supports
Derby County
Surely there is no way that Bielik will be at Derby come start of the season?

What’s he earning a week?
No idea on wages, but he’s definitely our highest earner - £30k would be my guess.

He struggles to stay healthy, so not sure he will be sold this summer. A loan with his wages paid makes sense. It seems like he’s got a lot of interest from overseas and the national team manager has made it absolutely clear that he won’t be part of the World Cup squad if he stays at Derby.
 

91SPP

Active Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
439
Reaction score
73
Points
28
Location
Derbyshire
Supports
Derby County
Confirmed: no further points deduction for the club as the Clowes bid meets all the criteria. Liam Rosenior is the first team head coach on an interim basis, but I have a feeling that will be made permanent very soon.
 

Marked Ox

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2016
Messages
1,546
Reaction score
262
Points
83
Location
Oxon
Supports
Oxford United
Confirmed: no further points deduction for the club as the Clowes bid meets all the criteria. Liam Rosenior is the first team head coach on an interim basis, but I have a feeling that will be made permanent very soon.

Assuming it is completed, at least it is now sorted for you.
 

kieran_vale

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
5,633
Reaction score
1,222
Points
113
Supports
Vale / New England Patriots
Confirmed: no further points deduction for the club as the Clowes bid meets all the criteria. Liam Rosenior is the first team head coach on an interim basis, but I have a feeling that will be made permanent very soon.

Good news, hopefully this all goes through now for Derby.

Far from the last club who this is going to happen to. Suspect Birmingham up in the Championship as an example are an admin waiting to happen the way things are going there.
 

Luke Imp

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
11,197
Reaction score
2,636
Points
113
Location
Lincoln
Supports
Lincoln City
Bit of a weird twist now with Rooney's agents company paying wages, although I think I read if it went to the administrators as a loan and then used to pay wages then it's acceptable and doesn't break any rules?
 

Daviddcfc

New Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
7
Points
3
Supports
Derby County
Bit of a weird twist now with Rooney's agents company paying wages, although I think I read if it went to the administrators as a loan and then used to pay wages then it's acceptable and doesn't break any rules?
Nothing wierd about it .

Why are ENGLISH football fans in such denial ??
 

kieran_vale

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
5,633
Reaction score
1,222
Points
113
Supports
Vale / New England Patriots
Good news for Derby fans, would have been a lot sooner if they hadn’t wasted so much time with Kirchner. Presume there’s going to be restrictions on what they’re allowed to do in terms of signings.
 

Bartonyellow

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 14, 2015
Messages
1,769
Reaction score
615
Points
113
Location
Barton under needwood
Supports
Burton Albion
“The club's debts have continued to mount throughout the protracted period in administration, with figures from Quantuma last month revealing that HM Revenue and Customs' total claim for unpaid taxes had risen to £36m from £28m.

The club also owes finance company MSD £24m, while Quantuma themselves accumulated costs of £2.1m in the first six months of administration”
So based on that, they should have no money left to buy many players. Plus arsenal are owed money. And all the other creditors - small businesses which will need paying.
 

Marked Ox

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2016
Messages
1,546
Reaction score
262
Points
83
Location
Oxon
Supports
Oxford United
“The club's debts have continued to mount throughout the protracted period in administration, with figures from Quantuma last month revealing that HM Revenue and Customs' total claim for unpaid taxes had risen to £36m from £28m.

The club also owes finance company MSD £24m, while Quantuma themselves accumulated costs of £2.1m in the first six months of administration”
So based on that, they should have no money left to buy many players. Plus arsenal are owed money. And all the other creditors - small businesses which will need paying.

When has no money stopped a football club, even when coming out of administration?
 

SF_

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2015
Messages
8,758
Reaction score
2,758
Points
113
Supports
Preston North End
Barkhuizen, Chester, Hourihane, and Mendez-Laing all targets supposedly, they'll all want a decent wage.

Imagine Derby will still manage 25k crowds this season to pay for them though.
 

WhiteRussian

Active Member
Joined
Apr 25, 2015
Messages
886
Reaction score
207
Points
43
Location
Milton Keynes
Supports
MK Dons
Have the new owners bought the ground or are they going to hsve to find the rent for it?
 

leedsvaliant

Active Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2015
Messages
993
Reaction score
215
Points
43
Location
Staffs Moorlands
Supports
Port Vale
Barkhuizen, Chester, Hourihane, and Mendez-Laing all targets supposedly, they'll all want a decent wage.

Imagine Derby will still manage 25k crowds this season to pay for them though.
The guy who has bought them isn't super rich and has to pay off a lot of debts, I can't imagine they're going to be silly with signings this season.
 

BarrieOwl

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2021
Messages
806
Reaction score
319
Points
63
Supports
Sheffield Wednesday
The guy who has bought them isn't super rich and has to pay off a lot of debts, I can't imagine they're going to be silly with signings this season.
They are paying off 25p in the pound, shouldn't be allowed to pay above 5k a week or a single fee for me.
 

masi51

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2020
Messages
5,038
Reaction score
528
Points
113
Location
bolton
Supports
Bolton
They are paying off 25p in the pound, shouldn't be allowed to pay above 5k a week or a single fee for me.
Dont think they will. We was capped at 4k and paid no fees for two years on 35p in the pound.
Good luck to them will need it no way has due dilegence been done in 10 or so days.
 

BarrieOwl

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2021
Messages
806
Reaction score
319
Points
63
Supports
Sheffield Wednesday
Dont think they will. We was capped at 4k and paid no fees for two years on 35p in the pound.
Good luck to them will need it no way has due dilegence been done in 10 or so days.
They can't sign the likes of Mendez Laing, Barkhuizen etc etc on.4k a week.
 

Greenacres

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 18, 2015
Messages
1,915
Reaction score
777
Points
113
Location
West Country
Supports
Forest Green Rovers
They are paying off 25p in the pound, shouldn't be allowed to pay above 5k a week or a single fee for me.
That sounds pretty generous, I seem to recall that when Leeds United went bust a few years ago they paid out something like 2p in the pound to creditors...that included organisations like St John's Ambulance who provide medical cover on matchdays. I don't want to see any club go bust, it nearly happened to us just over ten years ago when we owed £25k to the inland revenue and had no income due to matches being postponed in the depths of winter, but when clubs seem to have millions of debt just wiped out...that is tacking the mick.
 

BarrieOwl

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2021
Messages
806
Reaction score
319
Points
63
Supports
Sheffield Wednesday
That sounds pretty generous, I seem to recall that when Leeds United went bust a few years ago they paid out something like 2p in the pound to creditors...that included organisations like St John's Ambulance who provide medical cover on matchdays. I don't want to see any club go bust, it nearly happened to us just over ten years ago when we owed £25k to the inland revenue and had no income due to matches being postponed in the depths of winter, but when clubs seem to have millions of debt just wiped out...that is tacking the mick.
Leeds suffered with points penalties in both seasons though
 

kieran_vale

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
5,633
Reaction score
1,222
Points
113
Supports
Vale / New England Patriots
So Derby have signed Barkhuizen. Don’t get me wrong am glad they’ve survived as a club but if they go out now flashing the money on a load of signings it’s going to leave a bad taste in the mouth to say the least.
 

BarrieOwl

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2021
Messages
806
Reaction score
319
Points
63
Supports
Sheffield Wednesday
So Derby have signed Barkhuizen. Don’t get me wrong am glad they’ve survived as a club but if they go out now flashing the money on a load of signings it’s going to leave a bad taste in the mouth to say the least.
It would to me too fella
 

LancashireTrotters

Active Member
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Sep 27, 2016
Messages
458
Reaction score
89
Points
28
Location
Lancashire
Supports
Bolton
I honestly think Derby fans are in for a rude awakening this season.

I don’t think these signings are particularly spectacular.

Wouldn’t surprise me if they finished well off the top 6.
 

leedsvaliant

Active Member
Joined
Aug 3, 2015
Messages
993
Reaction score
215
Points
43
Location
Staffs Moorlands
Supports
Port Vale
So Derby have signed Barkhuizen. Don’t get me wrong am glad they’ve survived as a club but if they go out now flashing the money on a load of signings it’s going to leave a bad taste in the mouth to say the least.
Seems grossly unfair. Surely they should have a cap on wages and spend?
 

91SPP

Active Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
439
Reaction score
73
Points
28
Location
Derbyshire
Supports
Derby County
Seems grossly unfair. Surely they should have a cap on wages and spend?

There is a business plan in place that we have to live within, but no one really knows what that looks like - other than a comment from Nixon that says it’s very competitive for League One.

I think there will be no transfer fees or ultimately a break even on outgoing transfers, not sure. We will find out.

No idea what the likes of the players we’ve brought in will be on, but at this point the only thing we can derive is that they are within our business plan and spending restrictions.
 

91SPP

Active Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2015
Messages
439
Reaction score
73
Points
28
Location
Derbyshire
Supports
Derby County
I honestly think Derby fans are in for a rude awakening this season.

I don’t think these signings are particularly spectacular.

Wouldn’t surprise me if they finished well off the top 6.

I don’t think anyone has any expectations, we really don’t know how we will look going into the season. Therefore, I think rude awakening is a bit unfair.

I’ve never watched League One football, but from the outside looking in, it’s been a good breeding ground for talented young players to get their first experience of senior football. It’s a league that is clearly lacking in investment, the average wage is said to be less than £100k a year which obviously is going to impact on quality overall as players can sit in the reserves in the championship and earn more. The top goalscorers last season came from a player who had 8 goals in 75 Championship games, the other is a player who scored 15 in 73 between Scotland’s top two divisions.

Whilst, I appreciate that this season is going to be tough as we’re essentially in a full rebuild under a new manager with a new team and under new ownership. I doubt anyone will or can argue that the standard of League One is very high. I don’t expect to be promoted or even finish in the playoffs, but I do think we will be in a position to be competitive in games once the season starts.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
16,015
Messages
1,100,321
Members
6,781
Latest member
Alexeenkozv
Top