What if (what were they thinking) thread

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Four league games into the season and we are already seeing some "what if" questions from clubs, for us; those like what if the ref gave a penalty for the handball in the Port Vale match or even Mansfield match. A lot of assuming to be done but I thought it might be interesting as the season progresses to see the what might have beens and who caused them and possbily reflect on points dropped because of them. I only really want to record the glaringly obvious blunders/omissions/misses by our players and not the opposition players - like what if the Salford striker had hit his shot cleanly would Ward have saved it for their second - he didn't and it went in.

Any way what I am thinking of is something like this through my red and white tinted spectacles

Salford 2-2 Exeter City

What if Bowman went to ground when through and was being hauled back by their player and we got a penalty surely their player would have been sent off and the score was 1-1 at the time in the first half. That could have made it 2-1(assuming we scored the penalty) and Salford down to ten men. We did score afterwards of course, and they did equalise in the second half but would they have with the lesser men or possibly they could have gone on to score more as is often the case. Jake Taylor should also have done much better with his effort and at least have got his shot on target or forced a save from their keeper instead of missing when though

I however see it that we lost 2 points due to the referee and linesman failing to award a penalty when we were dominating the match

Exeter City 0-2 Port Vale

Three what if's come to mind here, the first being another non penalty decision when the ball went to the hand of the Port Vale defender in the second half I think the score was 1-0 at the time both the referee and linesman should have seen it and watching MOTD later in the day when lesser infringements were given the question has to be asked, this would have made the score 1-1 and we were moving into the ascendency inn the game despite our crap midfield in this match. The second was what if Ben Seymour had got more of a head on his missed header from Joel Randell's cross 2-1 with five minutes to go, and again the third one being the point blank save again from Ben Seymour with the goalie knowing little about it. Two fine opportunities to have made more of a mark on this match and instead of coming away with nothing we could have come away with a least a point if the God's were smiling upon us that day.

Mansfield Town 1-2 Exeter City

Three points from this one but could have been so much easier and would have eroded our negative goal difference if again the referee had awarded a penalty for a blatant hand ball in the area, as well as Williams shooting point blank at the goalkeeper after Joel Randell's brilliant work.

Exeter City 2-0 Cambridge Utd

Again three points received from this one, however there was a major "what was he thinking" here with Bowman's need to take another touch when all it needed was a sidefoot into the back of the net, as it happened we didn't need it thanks to Joel and MJ however if our goal difference is as bad as last year's then will we rue this miss.

So far therefore I conclude that if everything was going in our favour we should have had three penalties awarded, which would make it one every match, we have seen three glaring misses Taylor (Salford) Seymour (Port Vale) and Bowman (Cambridge), two worldie saves by the opposition goalkeeper Williams (Mansfield) and Seymour (Port Vale) which has resulted in us dropping two points against Salford and three points or probably two points against Port Vale.

What is apparent is that we have played some of the preseason favourites and held our own against them and at the same time are rueing missed opportunities be it missed chances or poor refereeing decisions, the future is bright the future is red and white. UTC
 

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In both of our league defeats, the opening goals were the result of horrendous defensive errors... we can but wonder 'what if' we hadn't made those errors. Goals change games and in both games we conceded late goals as we pushed forward in search of a goal. However, we're nowhere near good enough to have a 100% record no matter how much we can point to single errors leading us toward defeat.
 

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What if our entire squad hadn’t caught COVID in Oldham? Well, we’d be £150k richer. Still wouldn’t be able to defend, mind.
 

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Don’t recall a handball incident just the coming together first half which wasn’t a pen but referees have given it.

Bowman should have walked for a stamp on Leggey so got away with that mind.

As for the point blank save... that’s just Scotty Brown... he knew where to put himself... he’s magic you know.

First two we won, what if we played our full side at Fleetwood we may have got an Everton tie on TV at Vale Park...

What if Woz took his sitter against Harrogate that hit the post... what if the referee gave the right decision at Morecambe...

but as you say the opposing side will have those same what ifs so it’s all here or there really.
 

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This thread is mental.
Copied and pasted straight from our forum, was an interesting thread - Plus all the hype on the matchday thread about Carlisle's and Port Vale's penalty claims from the weekend, thought it would give a place for people to vent :2thumb:
 

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No penalty claim by us.
I'm sure in the matchday thread there was a penalty claim, perhaps it was by someone else - When on mobile it doesn't say what team people support (for some reason?) so maybe I got the teams muddled up. Nonetheless, I'm sure you'll have one soon and want to vent, like most ;)

Edit: just re-read the thread. No idea what I'm referring to. Perhaps the week before was still on my mind :whistle:
 

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I'm sure in the matchday thread there was a penalty claim, perhaps it was by someone else - When on mobile it doesn't say what team people support (for some reason?) so maybe I got the teams muddled up. Nonetheless, I'm sure you'll have one soon and want to vent, like most ;)

Edit: just re-read the thread. No idea what I'm referring to. Perhaps the week before was still on my mind :whistle:
Barrow reckoned they should have had a penalty against us. They make Vale fans look positively sanguine about refereeing decisions.
 

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You sound like the Vale fans after our game last season. If you're player went down any easier I'd genuinely believe he'd lost the use of his legs all of a sudden (and I don't mean from impediment).
 

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You sound like the Vale fans after our game last season. If you're player went down any easier I'd genuinely believe he'd lost the use of his legs all of a sudden (and I don't mean from impediment).

To be fair although we didn't know at the time that decision cost us a play off spot! (Either the one the Lineman over ruled the referee on or the Conlon one second half!) had we foreseen what would happen five days later we'd have probably been kicking off even more!
 

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If we'd scored that pen v Bradford at 1-1 v 10 men we'd have won that game easily, with the confidence from that we would probably have beaten Salford and Walsall, would be top of the league and flying, would have stormed to the title, won the FA Cup won the Europa League next season and the Champions League the year after. All if we'd scored that 1 pen.
 

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You sound like the Vale fans after our game last season. If you're player went down any easier I'd genuinely believe he'd lost the use of his legs all of a sudden (and I don't mean from impediment).
I like how three times in this thread already Vale have come to mind when people think about clubs twining for a penalty that should have been given. Didn't their owners keep a record of every refereeing decision that went against them?
 

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I like how three times in this thread already Vale have come to mind when people think about clubs twining for a penalty that should have been given. Didn't their owners keep a record of every refereeing decision that went against them?

Of the three one was an Exeter claim against us!

Under Smurf we did complain after a load of decisions went against us, we did receive something like 4 or 5 apology letters from referee's after bad decisions prior to it in a relatively short space of time but to go public with it was embarrassing, by all means complain and I am sure regularly clubs do complain but they don't release a statement about it!
 

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Of the three one was an Exeter claim against us!

Under Smurf we did complain after a load of decisions went against us, we did receive something like 4 or 5 apology letters from referee's after bad decisions prior to it in a relatively short space of time but to go public with it was embarrassing, by all means complain and I am sure regularly clubs do complain but they don't release a statement about it!
Not sure about the handball that was mentioned as its not on our 360 highlights but there's a good few penalty claims we could make a fuss about in the highlights. Including a foul in the build up to your second goal
 

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Not sure about the handball that was mentioned as its not on our 360 highlights but there's a good few penalty claims we could make a fuss about in the highlights. Including a foul in the build up to your second goal

Had heart in mouth with Leggey early on... although evens out the pen you had a couple of seasons ago which was a shocker!

Was surprised the foul wasn't given for the second, probably not much in it but one that usually gets blown up. The Bowman stamp was a solid red though! Naughty that! He wouldn't go near Leggey after that!
 

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We had a solid penalty shout turned down against Exeter (they did also to be fair) I think the author of this thread missed that though :lol:

If anybody wants to witness a referee blow his whistle for a penalty for a handball that wasn’t actually handball, or in the penalty box I suggest Newport County Vs Mansfield Town last Saturday.
 
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Not saying it to be facetious, but if the camera was in line, I'm not convinced the whole ball has crossed the line there.
 

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Looks over the line to me, but the camera angle is dodgy so hard to be 100% sure on it.

Would it really be that expensive for the EFL to introduce goal line tech throughout the leagues? I imagine its not that expensive? Obviously VAR is a no go but goal line tech surely wouldn't be a problem, and makes sense..
 

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Looks over the line to me, but the camera angle is dodgy so hard to be 100% sure on it.

Would it really be that expensive for the EFL to introduce goal line tech throughout the leagues? I imagine its not that expensive? Obviously VAR is a no go but goal line tech surely wouldn't be a problem, and makes sense..

Just a couple of sensors isn’t it but no doubt expensive kit but does surely only need installing once.
 

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Just a couple of sensors isn’t it but no doubt expensive kit but does surely only need installing once.


The cheaper estimate was £65k per season and that was 7 years ago.

SPL said it was too costly to install - in 2017 they said it "would cost millions" to fit up all stadiums in the league.
 

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Not happening until the pandemic is controlled, least of the EFL problems
 

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Looks over the line to me, but the camera angle is dodgy so hard to be 100% sure on it.

Would it really be that expensive for the EFL to introduce goal line tech throughout the leagues? I imagine its not that expensive? Obviously VAR is a no go but goal line tech surely wouldn't be a problem, and makes sense..

It's one of those that refs really can't win on. If it goes for your team you're happy, if it goes against you're kicking off.

On this occasion it went against FGR, but because they won anyway it really doesn't matter.

It happens to Vale, and they lose, then we'll never hear the bloody end of it :whistle:
 

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