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I can’t see more than 2 being promoted, and probably only the 1 - barrow happening.

If the FL does continue then Stevenage will go down and you’ll need 2 spaces.

However, If the conference has ended the season you can’t then just have “mystery playoffs” at a random date / the season has ended.

On that basis it should be done on PPG so if a 2nd team comes up it would be Harrogate.

However, I could just imagine Harrogate not being allowed up over their ground and Notts being spawny enough to go up on that basis instead! :lol:
 

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I’ve got no interest in being promoted under any circumstances now to be honest.
well it’s not about football currently and hasn’t been for some while, but if that’s how things pan out it’s how it pans out.

I’m more concerned on a way forward for football clubs to keep going, i think every fan currently is going to be deeply concerned
 

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well it’s not about football currently and hasn’t been for some while, but if that’s how things pan out it’s how it pans out.

I’m more concerned on a way forward for football clubs to keep going, i think every fan currently is going to be deeply concerned
Agree with all that, and I see it as being a bit like the ‘if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it even make a noise’ thing.

I want us to get back into the league (and win the FA Trophy!), but by votes in committee rooms or even behind closed doors? Nah, I was there at Swindon when we went down and I want to be there when we get back.
 

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I can’t see more than 2 being promoted, and probably only the 1 - barrow happening.

If the FL does continue then Stevenage will go down and you’ll need 2 spaces.

However, If the conference has ended the season you can’t then just have “mystery playoffs” at a random date / the season has ended.

On that basis it should be done on PPG so if a 2nd team comes up it would be Harrogate.

However, I could just imagine Harrogate not being allowed up over their ground and Notts being spawny enough to go up on that basis instead! :lol:
Could eb that the FL bail the NL out and finish the season with no relegation, thus the need for a Bury replacement is the only requirement.

This would promote Barrow. Maybe the NL would relegate Chorley + put the top teams from North and South up (Wealdstone and Kings Lynn maybe?)

Really dont know how it's going to pan out but its obviously going to be messy.
 

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Even though UEFA have opened the door for PPG purely into their competitions rather than leagues per se, the fact that it's been suggested as an acceptable measure makes it more likelier outcome through the leagues than it once was IMO.
 

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Could eb that the FL bail the NL out and finish the season with no relegation, thus the need for a Bury replacement is the only requirement.

This would promote Barrow. Maybe the NL would relegate Chorley + put the top teams from North and South up (Wealdstone and Kings Lynn maybe?)

Really dont know how it's going to pan out but its obviously going to be messy.
That’s why I’m so confident of barrow coming up - barrow away became quite a cult away weekend when we were down here (no-one really knows why, it is it did - along with Tamworth) but given there will need to be a replacement for bury it’s hard to see how barrow wouldn’t be allowed up.

From what I recall of the conference board they were all as inept as one another, (mind it’s hardly like the EFL is any better) and wouldn’t be surprised if the conference board decided to get their tombola out and decide on a way forward using that
 

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That’s why I’m so confident of barrow coming up - barrow away became quite a cult away weekend when we were down here (no-one really knows why, it is it did - along with Tamworth) but given there will need to be a replacement for bury it’s hard to see how barrow wouldn’t be allowed up.

From what I recall of the conference board they were all as inept as one another, (mind it’s hardly like the EFL is any better) and wouldn’t be surprised if the conference board decided to get their tombola out and decide on a way forward using that
Yes, we could replace Bury, but the vacancy is in League 1. This is assuming promotion goes ahead from League 2 and then we and possibly another would backfill if Stevenage came down, that's if the EFL are insistent on having their full quota.

I've long wanted to be able to see us play in the FL but obviously this is the last way I would've wanted it to happen. There's all sorts of scenarios to ponder.

UEFA's statement suggests null and void is off the table for top domestic leagues but how that precedent will filter down to lower divisions, we shall see.
 
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Yes, we could replace Bury, but the vacancy is in League 1. This is assuming promotion goes ahead from League 2 and then we and possibly another would backfill if Stevenage came down, that's if the EFL are insistent on having their full quota.

I've long wanted to be able to see us play in the FL but obviously this is the last way I would've wanted it to happen. There's all sorts of scenarios to ponder.

UEFA's statement suggests null and void is off the table for top domestic leagues but how that precedent will filter down to lower divisions, we shall see.
Null and void will be off the table in the EFL because Leeds and West Brom would lose millions on a technicality. I'm 99% sure we'll be a League One club next season if no further football is played. PL will more than likely have 22 clubs for a season and a vacancy for Barrow should arise.
 

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I don't have a dog in this race, we were rank outsiders for a playoff spot going through spotty form when it stopped, but how unjust would it be for the teams below the North and South for the National League/FA whoever to allow a PPG finish in our three leagues and not theirs, despite two teams in those leagues having already romped home to the title.

I suppose we're at the mercy of the EFL and what they do next, could see them promoting Barrow to fill an empty slot but what a kick in the teeth for Harrogate and Notts.
 
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I don't have a dog in this race, we were rank outsiders for a playoff spot going through spotty form when it stopped, but how unjust would it be for the teams below the North and South for the National League/FA whoever to allow a PPG finish in our three leagues and not theirs, despite two teams in those leagues having already romped home to the title.

I suppose we're at the mercy of the EFL and what they do next, could see them promoting Barrow to fill an empty slot but what a kick in the teeth for Harrogate and Notts.
There's gonna be losers whatever happens, the fairest way I think would be scrapping relegation entirely and promoting the best teams. You only penalise playoff teams that way but none had more than a 25% chance of going up in the first place.

The biggest losers would obviously be those in 3rd-8th in a very congested League One, Cheltenham and Exeter who were potentially a solid run away from automatic promotion and the likes of Harrogate, Yeovil and Notts in the NL. But it's highly likely a lot of those teams would've been in the same division the following season anyway, so they'd be the group you'd penalise. And that's as much as the likes of Bolton, Southend, Stevenage, Chorley and Fylde deserve relegation.
 

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Assuming for a second that it is Us going up and no-one down, or 2 up and Satanage down, then i think there is a fair chance Chorley will get relegated and the PPG champions of NLS and NLN will get promoted. Chorley would bleat about it publicly - but behind the scenes they seam worried about the financial implications of NL football this season - and losing 4/5 home gates will have made that worse. That would leave a place at NLN/NLS level possibly for either Bury or South Shields. IF however the decision is made soon what would stop the NL from deciding they had time to work out which teams should come up and do the NLS and NLN expansions that were going to happen next season - that would solve the South Shields/Workington/Jersey Bulls/Vauxhall Motors etc etc issues.
 
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Assuming for a second that it is Us going up and no-one down, or 2 up and Satanage down, then i think there is a fair chance Chorley will get relegated and the PPG champions of NLS and NLN will get promoted. Chorley would bleat about it publicly - but behind the scenes they seam worried about the financial implications of NL football this season - and losing 4/5 home gates will have made that worse. That would leave a place at NLN/NLS level possibly for either Bury or South Shields. IF however the decision is made soon what would stop the NL from deciding they had time to work out which teams should come up and do the NLS and NLN expansions that were going to happen next season - that would solve the South Shields/Workington/Jersey Bulls/Vauxhall Motors etc etc issues.
No chance will Bury be admitted into the pyramid that high up. There'll be a lot of uproar from clubs. Not to mention that they're currently a mess and the infighting between Bury FC and AFC Bury means even the viability of football in Bury could last longer than the current Covid 19.

25 team NL and 23 team NLS and NLN is the fairest way if relegation is scrapped. But I think a few clubs may resign from the non leagues in the coming months which could see a dramatic realignment set to occur within the non league pyramid.
 

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Without a serious rescue package I reckon you can extend that all the way through the league as well, if the January thing is anywhere close to being true.
 

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No idea whether precedent is likely to be a thing, but Holland has become the first country to announce a conclusion that includes the top flight:

No champion
No promotion/relegation
Points per game table for European qualification
 

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Speaking as someone who watches his partner go out to work every morning as a nurse, not knowing if he’s going to come back home to tell me that, yet another, of his colleagues has contracted covid-19. Or whether another colleague has woken up from the induced coma he’s in at the moment, I can tell you that you are talking an absolute pile of fucking shit.

I’ve no doubt you, like the rest of the country, will understand it soon but this has been handled criminally bad.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...n-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...onse-to-coronavirus-so-wrong?CMP=share_btn_fb
Wait, you’re a woman??
 

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Ian Dennis from BBC had this to say

As it stands, EFL position unchanged and say their priority is to complete the season. However, if the EFL do NOT finish their season then they are likely NOT to relegate Stevenage and only accept 1 club from the National League
 

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Really? The article suggests that one team comes out top whichever way you choose to analyse it...
Indeed, I don’t think anyone would argue with Barrow having been the best team in the league to date, but also that it was certainly far from being a victory lap.
 

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Ian Dennis from BBC had this to say
It’s a standard that clubs are reprieved in such situations, Altrincham avoided relegation from the conference about 3 seasons in a row for similar financial reasons to bury.

Therefore barrow would come up and return league 2 to 24 sides and whoever finishes 4th bottom in the conference presumably doesn’t go down.

How they then push the missing place down the league is anyone’s guess / presumably down to the CN then the NPL
 

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It’s a standard that clubs are reprieved in such situations, Altrincham avoided relegation from the conference about 3 seasons in a row for similar financial reasons to bury.

Therefore barrow would come up and return league 2 to 24 sides and whoever finishes 4th bottom in the conference presumably doesn’t go down.

How they then push the missing place down the league is anyone’s guess / presumably down to the CN then the NPL
I have no interest in it happening, as I said earlier in this thread, but if neither the EFL or National League seasons finish and Stevenage aren’t relegated, I suspect we’d have an interesting legal case to be the team who replace Bury.
 

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I have no interest in it happening, as I said earlier in this thread, but if neither the EFL or National League seasons finish and Stevenage aren’t relegated, I suspect we’d have an interesting legal case to be the team who replace Bury.
That’s not my, I’m just going off the quote form chief rocka stating Stevenage would be reprieved if both seasons etc end with only 1 coming up, whereas we both said earlier football is a massive 2nd to what’s going on - it’s hard to see how anyone could legally challenge that barrow wouldn’t go up should only 1 side be allowed up.
 

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& this on the bbc today
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52409558

The National League board will meet on Friday to discuss the next steps after deciding to end their regulation season earlier this week.

In addition to discussing whether it is feasible to continue with the play-offs, the board is expected to provide a few options which will determine how teams conclude the campaign.

Clubs will be asked for their views and the National League has said each future decision will be clearly laid before them before any final determination is made.

As it stands, the English Football League (EFL) is still working on the principle of two teams getting promoted - but that will depend on whatever format the National League decides.

The EFL also needs to balance its divisions for next season after Bury's expulsion meant only 23 sides were left competing in League One.
 

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that's basically hinting at what Trinidad, myself and a few others have said - the NL needs to be careful and not mess this up - if they do the EFL would probably promote nobody - but invite Barrow to fill Bury's place. IF the NL gets a formulae worked out and agreed with the clubs and no-one tries to sue them then they get 2 promoted teams and Satanage probably go down. There would be no legal recourse for any club if the EFL go down the invite route - as it's in their rule book.
 

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that's basically hinting at what Trinidad, myself and a few others have said - the NL needs to be careful and not mess this up - if they do the EFL would probably promote nobody - but invite Barrow to fill Bury's place. IF the NL gets a formulae worked out and agreed with the clubs and no-one tries to sue them then they get 2 promoted teams and Satanage probably go down. There would be no legal recourse for any club if the EFL go down the invite route - as it's in their rule book.
Believe me, there is virtually no-one in league 2 that wishes for Stevenage to remain in the league, presumably apart from Stevenage fans.

The issue in league 2 is easier to decide as Stevenage were 10 adrift having lost the last 9 in a row - my side mansfield in 21st - were/are 1 point closer to Stevenage in 24th to the playoffs.

The only issue that could muddy the waters further is the perilous financial position of Macclesfield, who have already been docked points for failing to fulfil a fixture/financial late payments to players.
 

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That’s not my, I’m just going off the quote form chief rocka stating Stevenage would be reprieved if both seasons etc end with only 1 coming up, whereas we both said earlier football is a massive 2nd to what’s going on - it’s hard to see how anyone could legally challenge that barrow wouldn’t go up should only 1 side be allowed up.
There’s no way we’d pursue it, I wouldn’t have thought, but if the only place available is as Bury’s replacement, we would’ve been the team reprieved had that happened a couple of months earlier, and they’d be effectively declaring this a ghost season.

I don’t think it’s the Barrow scenario that worries Notts, anyway. I think where we would have (legitimate) cause for complaint, as would a couple of other teams, is if Harrogate were promoted as a second team.

Anyway, any solution that means we aren’t in the same division as Stevenage would be welcome.
 

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There’s no way we’d pursue it, I wouldn’t have thought, but it the only place available is as Bury’s replacement, we would’ve been the team reprieved had that happened a couple of months earlier, and they’d be effectively declaring this a ghost season.

Anyway, any solution that means we aren’t in the same division as Stevenage would be welcome.
ok - as there are more Notts fans to keep happy that Harrogate fans to annoy... Only Barrow go up to replace Bury in the EFL - but we take one for the National League by having to play Satanage in L2 then?
 

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ok - as there are more Notts fans to keep happy that Harrogate fans to annoy... Only Barrow go up to replace Bury in the EFL - but we take one for the National League by having to play Satanage in L2 then?
Fine by me - said earlier that I don’t want to get promoted behind closed doors, let alone by some boardroom decision. Although I probably don’t speak for the club there to be honest!
 

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