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Tranmere and Peterborough need to man up and stop whining. Season has to be decided one way or another, and those teams were both too shit over 34 /35 games to have any complaints that they deserve to go up or stay up instead of the clubs that are. Thousands of people have died in this pandemic and they're threatening legal action over this. Utterly pathetic.
 
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Tranmere and Peterborough need to man up and stop whining. Season has to be decided one way or another, and those teams were both too shit over 34 /35 games to have any complaints that they deserve to go up or stay up instead of the clubs that are. Thousands of people have died in this pandemic and they're threatening legal action over this. Utterly pathetic.
Another year of reading the bollocks you post is enough to keep whining and demand that we stay up. Any news on the (new) new stadium?
 

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I think 3 games compare to 9 is quite a difference. Even if they scrapped play offs and only the top teams went up, it still wont help you.
You're goal difference is shocking, home form shocking and pitch (was) shocking. Although you dont get the chance to play yourself out of danger, where you were when the season was stopped was down to your players.
Someone was always going to suffer in order to resolve this unfortunately, but its a one off occurance, bite the bullet and come back stronger next time.
It is not for you to decide who is or is not 'shocking' at some arbitrary point in the season. The season lasts 46(4) games. Three of the bottom four at this stage last season were not ultimately relegated.

I would love to see your reaction next season if there is a second outbreak and you are in a similar position with ten games to go.

Prior to 2019 our last Football League promotion was 28 years ago. Why the Hell should we accept an arbitrary relegation which could have massive implications for our future, for the convenience of clubs who are struggling financially due to overspending when we are run responsibly and can afford to end the season ?

By all means end the season prematurely to help those clubs, but not at our expense. Clubs only marginally in the relegation zone should not be relegated on PPG.
 

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It's farcical to even contemplate relegating Tranmere.Its as simple as that.My club AFC Wimbledon were in a far worse position last season and we survived.Bolton and Southend can have no complaints about being relegated however.Relegate those two and if it means having 25 teams in league 1 next season so be it.
 

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It's farcical to even contemplate relegating Tranmere.Its as simple as that.My club AFC Wimbledon were in a far worse position last season and we survived.Bolton and Southend can have no complaints about being relegated however.Relegate those two and if it means having 25 teams in league 1 next season so be it.
It's just as farcical promoting teams that have not earned promotion either in my view. Look at the top of league 1 and how many teams could be up at the top at the end of the season. There is absolutely no guarantee who would be up there after another 9 or 10 games. So I would void but that isn't going to happen so it seems.

Whatever you do you have to have consistency so either promotion and relegation or no promotion and relegation but you can't twist everything to save 1 club and let all the rest be settled differently.
 

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I see the whiner in chief has been at it again on Sky, saying Rotherham going up would be a fake promotion.

if the accepted wisdom that “the table starts to sort itself out after 10 games” is true, then how much of a reflection is 35 games? 35 games of actual results and performances, not 9 games of speculative guessing. In one respect I have sympathy for Posh. In line with what I just said above, it has always been my view from day 1 of this situation that the table should just stand as it is. Every position earned on merit over the games actually played. Moving Posh out of the playoffs on a PPG basis is the very “speculative” element that I am against. However the way the McAnthony seems to have targetEd Rotherham in particular (Coventry promotion fair, but Rotherham promotion fake) is a particularly transparent attempt at divide and rule And leaves a very nasty taste. We are only two points ahead of third. Yes. 2 points more won over the same number of matches and therefore 2nd on merit, after being top ourselves for many weeks. I don’t even understand why there is an argument about this.

There is no way to know if we would have won all our remaining games or lost them all. All we have is the table. I can be accused of only thinking this way because we are second, I can see that, but no. I am against any results being guessed at, whether they promote us or not, always thought the same.
 

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It's just as farcical promoting teams that have not earned promotion either in my view. Look at the top of league 1 and how many teams could be up at the top at the end of the season. There is absolutely no guarantee who would be up there after another 9 or 10 games. So I would void but that isn't going to happen so it seems.

Whatever you do you have to have consistency so either promotion and relegation or no promotion and relegation but you can't twist everything to save 1 club and let all the rest be settled differently.
I agree that a consistent approach is needed. Like you say, either promote and relegate, or reset for next season and go again with no positions changed. Picking and choosing which bit of the league rules structure to apply would be opening a right can of worms IMO.

I disagree with the ‘not earned‘ part though. After 35 games, every position held by a team has been earned imo. That’s why my preferred solution (that I know won’t happen) is just to declare the season over with the table standing as it is. Even though that benefits the odious toads Barry Fry and Darragh McAnthony in particular.
 

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Tranmere and Peterborough need to man up and stop whining. Season has to be decided one way or another, and those teams were both too shit over 34 /35 games to have any complaints that they deserve to go up or stay up instead of the clubs that are. Thousands of people have died in this pandemic and they're threatening legal action over this. Utterly pathetic.
Oh I`ve waiting from somebody from that backwater Grass eating hovel in Gloucestershire would be here sticking the knife in eventually. Still bitter about us deservedly beating your tiny little bankrolled club in the Play Offs are we? We all know that Swampy is. He couldn`t wait to get on Twitter and start making snide remarks. But of course if it was Forest Gump Vegans that was facing an unfair relegation by 0.05 of a point with 1 game in hand and another 9 games to go he would simply shrug his shoulders and "ah well fair enough" and leave it at that. He wouldn`t dream of fighting it in the courts would he? Yeah right.

We have stated time after time that we can afford to play our matches as we are a probably run football club that lives within its means. Yet we could, and probably are, going to be unfairly relegated due to the majority of clubs in our division being unable to complete their fixtures due to them being either badly run and unable to manage their finances correctly or because they have overspent on players wages etc. As far was I am concerned the answer is easy . Relegate the two that have no chance of staying up and play next season, whenever that is , with 25 teams and relegate 5 in 2020/21. If we are in the bottom 5 then and go down fair enough
 
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I think 3 games compare to 9 is quite a difference. Even if they scrapped play offs and only the top teams went up, it still wont help you.
You're goal difference is shocking, home form shocking and pitch (was) shocking. Although you dont get the chance to play yourself out of danger, where you were when the season was stopped was down to your players.
Someone was always going to suffer in order to resolve this unfortunately, but its a one off occurance, bite the bullet and come back stronger next time.
Do you mean the players that have spend most of the season out injured or the ones we brought in in the New Year window? I`d just like to point out that out of the 11 players who started at Burton on New Years Day only 2 of them were involved in our last game at Blackpool. If you look at our results over the last 4 seasons you will see a pattern . We invest heavily in the squad at New Year and push on the reminder of the season and that is exactly what was happening this time.

And btw if they didn`t have the Play Offs (and I`m convinced the only reason the EFL is having them is for the TV money) we would stay up as there are only the 3 automatic promotion places and because of Bury only two clubs would be relegated in order to bring League One up to the full compliment of 24 clubs.
 

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You lot would chuck any number of clubs under the bus to wheedle out of it. It truly is sickening. Your holier than thou attitude that somehow you deserve to be treated as a special case boils my piss.

On the one hand you say ppg is unfair and on the next you bang on that you’d stay up based on you forecasting future results if games were played.

I asked your fellow fan on here earlier - why do you think your r3placement, if relegated, would be the L2 PO winner? No one club is specifically replaced by another club. It’s 4 up, 4 down.
 

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Who exactly are we "chucking under the bus" ??

I know you think PPG is wonderful because it is getting your club promoted without you finishing the season but like I said earlier to a FGR fan if the boot was on the other foot and it was you going down the way we probably are would you accept that is fair? Would you bollocks but you think we should . I don`t want anybody to get relegated under this PPG nonsence that has a chance to rescue themselves if the season was completed which we probably would have done given our signing, returning players after long term injuries and therefore our much improved results.

The fairest way to settle the whole sorry mess is to relegate Bolton and Southend who have gone, let League 2 have their 4 promotion places and play 2020/21 in League 1, if it happens, with 25 teams and relegate 5 at the end of it, instead of 4 and bring two up from VNL without a relegation. That way League 2 get their 4 promotions and they have 24 clubs next season. The VNL also has it`s usual 2 promotion spots. OK the league will have 93 clubs in it but that can be rebalanced by relegating 3 to the VNL in 20/21 with 2 coming up as usual. Under this everybody knows where they stand in 20/21 as regards to promotion and relegation and there can be no moaning about it at the end of the season. If we are one of the 5 who get relegated we`ll just take it on the chin because we will have played the full number of games and been found to not be good enough.
 

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I don’t think ppg is wonderful at all - it’s abhorrent. But, honestly, it’s no different to you saying above you’d stay up based on guesswork for your remaining games. I have absolutely nothing against Tranmere - I’d be the same no matter who occupied your position.

This is a one off (hopefully) situation. Surely 1 season in L2 isn’t going to do you any lasting damage - financially there’s not that much difference - and there’s not exactly that much kudos being in L1 over L2.
 

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It's farcical to even contemplate relegating Tranmere.Its as simple as that.My club AFC Wimbledon were in a far worse position last season and we survived.Bolton and Southend can have no complaints about being relegated however.Relegate those two and if it means having 25 teams in league 1 next season so be it.
Course we can have complaints, you can't pick and choose how you decide relegation between one team and another, you either relegate the bottom 3 now or don't. This whole bollocks about Tranmere getting special treatment (on here I might add) doesn't fly. Relegate us now, stop pissing around EFL and then we can all breathe a sigh of relief. BUT, it has to be the same for all leagues. Again, the EFL have shown the are not fit to run football at this level
 

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The fairest way to settle the whole sorry mess is to relegate Bolton and Southend who have gone, let League 2 have their 4 promotion places and play 2020/21 in League 1, if it happens, with 25 teams
Lots of posters coming up with a "fairest way" to end the season. What are the odds that every time this "fairest way" just happens to promote/not relegate their side?

Nobody blames you for wanting any solution that benefits your team, and yes we would all be exactly the same if we were in your position, but please stop all the "fairest way" nonsense.
 

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Tranmere and Peterborough need to man up and stop whining. Season has to be decided one way or another, and those teams were both too shit over 34 /35 games to have any complaints that they deserve to go up or stay up instead of the clubs that are. Thousands of people have died in this pandemic and they're threatening legal action over this. Utterly pathetic.
Predictable comment from you that!
 

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Course we can have complaints, you can't pick and choose how you decide relegation between one team and another, you either relegate the bottom 3 now or don't. This whole bollocks about Tranmere getting special treatment (on here I might add) doesn't fly. Relegate us now, stop pissing around EFL and then we can all breathe a sigh of relief. BUT, it has to be the same for all leagues. Again, the EFL have shown the are not fit to run football at this level
Again the 71 clubs are the EFL and it’s the 23 in our League that are holding things up
 

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Course we can have complaints, you can't pick and choose how you decide relegation between one team and another, you either relegate the bottom 3 now or don't. This whole bollocks about Tranmere getting special treatment (on here I might add) doesn't fly. Relegate us now, stop pissing around EFL and then we can all breathe a sigh of relief. BUT, it has to be the same for all leagues. Again, the EFL have shown the are not fit to run football at this level
EFL cannot dictate how leagues finish. It has to be put to a vote of individual clubs in each league. Anyway, it’ll end the same way for L1 and L2. The EFL cannot force clubs to play on - that would finish off a lot of clubs for good. Even as it is some will go to the wall.

Can’t see the Championship finishing either.
 

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According to Barry Fry, 16 of the 23 league 1 clubs will vote in favour of the football leagues default proposal condemning us to relegation. According to Fry it will cost each club an extra £90,000 to restart the season and that they are not keen on sharing the sponsorship amongst 25 clubs next season.
What aggrieves me most is that each division in the football league pyramid and wider football pyramid in general are doing things differently, it’s one rule in one league and a different one in another. A dangerous precedent to set for the next pandemic!!!
One thing has become clear though, if it wasn’t already and that’s the football league is suffering from poor leadership and administration.
 

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Coventry promotion fair.
Just to pick up on something here - Coventry haven't even got a bloody ground! When we had to fight for our golden share back 12 years ago and as a result get a 20 point deduction, we had to have a 10 year lease on a stadium.

Now to be fair, they have an agreement with Birmingham many miles away, but that is clearly not a sustainable arrangement.

Should Coventry really be candidates for promotion in any circumstance considering their off field position?
 

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Well if as long as the ground they're using passes the ground grading for the Championship and they've got a secure lease, why wouldn't they be allowed up?
 

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The thing that gets my goat the most about Indian Dan is that the Rory Gallagher quote should actually read Roy Buchannon...
Really? If you’re trying to be clever, do some background first.

‘Other versions of the same quote have long circulated involving different musicians, such as a July 2013 post in which Hendrix was reported as saying of Rory Gallagher:

Rory was the best. Walk on hot coals from Irish Tour. Just sit back and listen, nobody else could play it like that. When Jimi Hendrix was asked whats it feel like to be the best guitarist in the world he said “You better ask Rory Gallagher” John Lennon went to see Rory and said “I have seen the future of Rock n Roll, its Rory Gallagher” Just listen!’

https://1037theloon.com/rory-gallagher-the-man-jimi-hendrix-called-the-best-guitarist/
 
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Really? If you’re trying to be clever, do some background first.

‘Other versions of the same quote have long circulated involving different musicians, such as a July 2013 post in which Hendrix was reported as saying of Rory Gallagher:

Rory was the best. Walk on hot coals from Irish Tour. Just sit back and listen, nobody else could play it like that. When Jimi Hendrix was asked whats it feel like to be the best guitarist in the world he said “You better ask Rory Gallagher” John Lennon went to see Rory and said “I have seen the future of Rock n Roll, its Rory Gallagher” Just listen!’

https://1037theloon.com/rory-gallagher-the-man-jimi-hendrix-called-the-best-guitarist/
I'm messing with you, I've pinched about everything I can from Rory, but I have always heard that the quote was about Roy Buchannon. No way of knowing really, Jimi's obviously in no position to confirm it and it could be that it's entirely fictional, which would explain all the names it's been attributed to.
 

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If Tranmere and/or Peterborough take legal action, a move which could cause a lot of problems and possibly send a few clubs to the wall, then if the action fails then not only should they pay both sides costs plus compensation, but imo a vote should also take place on whether to terminate both clubs EFL membership.
 

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Well if as long as the ground they're using passes the ground grading for the Championship and they've got a secure lease, why wouldn't they be allowed up?
I don't confess to be an expert in the situation with Coventry, but I presume the deal with Birmingham is season-to-season, not a long term deal - will be happy to be corrected on that. And the obvious point is that it moving a club 22 miles away.
 

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The point is that if the (temporary) move was deemed ok by the EFL last summer, why wouldn't it be allowed this year?

They aren't the first club to groundshare, Fulham, Charlton, Brighton and Wimbledon all did before. Plus Rotherham played in Sheffield and Spurs used Wembley.
 

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The point is that if the (temporary) move was deemed ok by the EFL last summer, why wouldn't it be allowed this year?

They aren't the first club to groundshare, Fulham, Charlton, Brighton and Wimbledon all did before. Plus Rotherham played in Sheffield and Spurs used Wembley.
And we shared at Bath City for quite a few years. Did'nt do us much harm as we won promotion to Division 2
 

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