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So, whatever anyone's thoughts on it, we now have a majority conservative government (and a PM who we know will retire before the next general election)

So, how are they getting on (I know it's early days but they've got five years to go..) And in the shorter term what predictions do you have for the next half decade?
 

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So far we have the rapid appointment of Michael Gove as Justice secretary.

He's previously said that there will be no public inquiry into the Westminster child abuse cover-up and has said in the past that we should reintroduce the death penalty (which is one of the elements of the Human Rights Act he'll play a large part in abolishing and replacing). He's also a former Times employee who supported Murdoch in the Leveson enquiry and is in a top job hours after the Murdoch press played a huge role in the winning of the election.
 

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So far we have the rapid appointment of Michael Gove as Justice secretary.

He's previously said that there will be no public inquiry into the Westminster child abuse cover-up and has said in the past that we should reintroduce the death penalty (which is one of the elements of the Human Rights Act he'll play a large part in abolishing and replacing). He's also a former Times employee who supported Murdoch in the Leveson enquiry and is in a top job hours after the Murdoch press played a huge role in the winning of the election.
Well if you voting lot will put the Tories back in, now you'll have to have your noses rubbed in it for the next five years.

That's how it works.
 

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I'm sure we've all missed fox hunting, we needn't wait no more.
Join your local hunt saboteurs and oppose it is my advice. There will be lots of us out there. Or will you just do what you normally do? Nothing.

Gove in control of the human rights act is scary prospect.
 

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£12bn out of the welfare budget, about 10% of working age benefits, will mean a lot of people reliant on the state will feel even more pain.

Local authorities will see even bigger cuts to government grants, so I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see big big issues across the board locally.

Also think the uncertainty with the EU referendum will hurt us, with regard to outside investment.
 

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Join your local hunt saboteurs and oppose it is my advice. There will be lots of us out there. Or will you just do what you normally do? Nothing.

Gove in control of the human rights act is scary prospect.
Gove in control of anything is a scary prospect. Big protests planned for the 20th June, a few days after my last exam which is convenient. 30k+ have already signed up for it, combined Unions/Students protest. Should be fun.
 

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For the first time ever, the day after the election results were revealed, I was handed a leaflet detailing my local food bank. That probably sums things up quite depressingly.
 

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It would be good to have some balance and hear from the Tories on here about policies they like the sound of so far.

I am sure there are some that I'm overlooking.

Yeah peoples assembly march in June should be a good turnout.
 

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It would be good to have some balance and hear from the Tories on here about policies they like the sound of so far.

I am sure there are some that I'm overlooking.

Yeah peoples assembly march in June should be a good turnout.
You been to demo's/marches before? This will be my first one, any advice?
 

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For the first time ever, the day after the election results were revealed, I was handed a leaflet detailing my local food bank. That probably sums things up quite depressingly.
The food bank collection point in our local tesco had moved somewhere far more prominent within hours of it being confirmed.
 

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Join your local hunt saboteurs and oppose it is my advice. There will be lots of us out there.
Absolutely agreed. There are some great folk amongst the sabs. I keep hens and ducks, many of whom have been victims to foxes, and it's still obvious to me how absurd fox hunting is.
 

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You been to demo's/marches before? This will be my first one, any advice?
Yeah I've been on quite a few now although I wouldn't say I am a expert or anything. Have fun and enjoy the experience is my biggest advice, make as much noise as you can. The majority of protests go off without any trouble and have a carnival atmosphere even when the subjects are quite grim. The point of a protest for me personally is to show the people that you are protesting against that you don't agree with them, to support the cause that you are protesting for and to inspire/raise awareness in others for your cause. So remember you are representing your cause and your actions can either bring people on side or turn them against you.

Despite that I think you can count on there being trouble at this one so with that in mind:

I'd probably advise wearing every day clothes unless you want to get lots of attention by the police, see lots of people wearing typical anarchist fair with covered faces getting picked up early on as potential trouble makers.

I think I've nearly always been on my own but I imagine that you are going with friends, agree between yourselves what is acceptable and what's not. Don't get dragged into trouble if you don't want to be a part of it, protests can be quite exciting and overwhelming, it's easy to lose your head if trouble does start and before you know it you're doing something that you maybe wouldn't normally do.

I would advise not to try fighting the police, it's a battle you'll never win and they love to fight when they have their gear on. They will be expecting trouble and looking for it. Like protesters they can be complete twats sometimes, don't get drawn in by them and know your rights. Don't be scared to communicate with them, they have to have a good reason to stop you from going somewhere or doing something. This card is useful: https://greenandblackcross.org/bustcard/london/

That being said civil disobedience in my opinion a great thing, it should be non violent though as otherwise you run the risk of turning people against you and the penalties will be higher. Some of the best stuff that I have seen that also got a lot of media attention was during a fracking protest when people superglued themselves to the companies headquarters windows. My mate handcuffed himself to a police man once which was pretty amusing, unfortunately they then proceeded to smack him about. Stupid but funny I guess. I know you won't do this but if you do find yourself damaging something make sure it's not something that will cause a backlash - no one really cares if HSBC windows get smashed, although I wouldn't condone it but if you smash the windows of a help for heroes shop then again people will hate you and it will bring negativity to the cause.

So yeah really - Have fun, Be loud, Stay out of trouble and know your rights if you do get into trouble.
 
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Yeah I've been on quite a few now although I wouldn't say I am a expert or anything. Have fun and enjoy the experience is my biggest advice, make as much noise as you can. The majority of protests go off without any trouble and have a carnival atmosphere even when the subjects are quite grim. The point of a protest for me personally is to show the people that you are protesting against that you don't agree with them, to support the cause that you are protesting for and to inspire/raise awareness in others for your cause. So remember you are representing your cause and your actions can either bring people on side or turn them against you.

Despite that I think you can count on there being trouble at this one so with that in mind:

I'd probably advise wearing every day clothes unless you want to get lots of attention by the police, see lots of people wearing typical anarchist fair with covered faces getting picked up early on as potential trouble makers.

I think I've nearly always been on my own but I imagine that you are going with friends, agree between yourselves what is acceptable and what's not. Don't get dragged into trouble if you don't want to be a part of it, protests can be quite exciting and overwhelming, it's easy to lose your head if trouble does start and before you know it you're doing something that you maybe wouldn't normally do.

I would advise not to try fighting the police, it's a battle you'll never win and they love to fight when they have their gear on. They will be expecting trouble and looking for it. Like protesters they can be complete twats sometimes, don't get drawn in by them and know your rights. Don't be scared to communicate with them, they have to have a good reason to stop you from going somewhere or doing something. This card is useful: https://greenandblackcross.org/bustcard/london/

That being said civil disobedience in my opinion a great thing, it should be non violent though as otherwise you run the risk of turning people against you and the penalties will be higher. Some of the best stuff that I have seen that also got a lot of media attention was during a fracking protest when people superglued themselves to the companies headquarters windows. My mate handcuffed himself to a police man once which was pretty amusing, unfortunately they then proceeded to smack him about. Stupid but funny I guess. I know you won't do this but if you do find yourself damaging something make sure it's not something that will cause a backlash - no one really cares if HSBC windows get smashed but if you smash the windows of a help for heroes shop then again people will hate you and it will bring negativity to the cause.

So yeah really - Have fun, Be loud, Stay out of trouble and know your rights if you do get into trouble. I should probably try sticking to my own advice really.
Cheers, yeh going with my older brother and a mate. I'm guessing your mate got arrested for something like assaulting a police officer for that?
 

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Absolutely agreed. There are some great folk amongst the sabs. I keep hens and ducks, many of whom have been victims to foxes, and it's still obvious to me how absurd fox hunting is.
Yeah the sabs are great really. I went out a lot during the badger cull and met some people that had been doing it for 30 plus years and are still out there nearly every week chasing hunts around the country. They also get a lot of actual results a number of hunts get called off due to their presence.
 

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So far we have the rapid appointment of Michael Gove as Justice secretary.

He's previously said that there will be no public inquiry into the Westminster child abuse cover-up and has said in the past that we should reintroduce the death penalty (which is one of the elements of the Human Rights Act he'll play a large part in abolishing and replacing). He's also a former Times employee who supported Murdoch in the Leveson enquiry and is in a top job hours after the Murdoch press played a huge role in the winning of the election.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...e-Secretary-wanted-to-bring-back-hanging.html

Great appointment that.
 

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I wanted a majority tory government 5 years ago as I felt country needed it, I certainly didn't want one this time, although id took the coalition again.

My own personal view is country will collapse in 4 years. Public services are close to collapse but it now neds to take bigger cuts than last 5 years, going out of Europe will end up a massive disaster and these welfare cuts will end up horrific, there is a reason they keep quiet.
 

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The one good point I can think of is I can see Cumbria joining with north east in breaking off from London with a north council. I think uk will split into groups over time
 

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If I was to be fair to the tories and I voted for them 5 years ago they are not 'evil'

I think a lot gave them a chance now because if you were brutally honest they took on a mess and whether you like their way or not they have brought the UK through it pretty well.

I actually do think they are also moreso an 'all in it together' party, it is Labour who are more swinging from one group to another. the difference is that us all being in it together means they hit the rich and the poor to the same amount, but the poor feel it more as they have a lot less cover to help from the losses.

But I do not think Tories let off the rich, they did things like chasing Tax Dodgers and some big companies and that is things people for years tell you they NEVER do, I just think as said would take £1 off each person, but if one has millions and another only has a £1 as their savings you can guess which it hurts more. Labour meanwhile would take £2 off some, nothing off others, £1 off the rest............neither is really 'helping the rich' as people claim.
 

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I wanted a majority tory government 5 years ago as I felt country needed it, I certainly didn't want one this time, although id took the coalition again.

My own personal view is country will collapse in 4 years. Public services are close to collapse but it now neds to take bigger cuts than last 5 years, going out of Europe will end up a massive disaster and these welfare cuts will end up horrific, there is a reason they keep quiet.
I think the reason many keep quiet is due to, for example on this very forum, being called bellends and six fingered, posh selfish c***. I mean, if thats what it boils down too, why bother. This is a sentiment that has been repeated across social media. It's just not worth the hassle.
 

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It's called having the courage of your convictions.

There was plenty of abuse aimed at labour supporters too. Politics is like football. Doesn't matter what colour you favour, someone out there will think you're a c***.
 

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