The Coalition of Expensive Chaos

[mowgli]

Being disabled i'm crapping myself right now. Worked bloody hard for 34 years until my body gave up and caused me too much pain to walk far. My disability benefit is tested every year by Atos who have blood on their hands wikyth people commiting suicide after they wer wrongly being turned down. My MP in Wells took on my case and won my appeal for me but she has just lost her seat to a Tory so i won't get any help there.
My advice is don't get sick or have an accident or get made redundant or your life will go down the shitter fast!

 

[Mustard]

I already outlined why I voted for the Conservatives on this forum. And I got called a 'Tory bellend'. Now I agree that right wingers aren't absolved from blame for doing this (not that I actually consider myself particularly right wing beyond an economic level), but I didn't reduce somebodies political beliefs down to an insult and so see no reason why I should further explain why I voted Conservative in this election if it's just going to boil down to that again.

For what it's worth, I've seen a lot of discontent after the election about the Snooper's Charters and free vote on repealing the hunting act. With regards to the SC, whilst I do and don't like bits of it which I won't get into (I am close to somebody who works in the intelligence field and communications information is, as you would expect, vital to their job), the bottom line is that people will always want the best of both worlds, privacy for themselves with the security that comes with increased surveillance. The current legislation is outdated and will always be outdated in the fast paced world of internet communications. My main concern, like others, is whether the legislation can be exploited. I will say, however, that Labour doesn't exactly have the best record for civil liberties (compulsory ID cards, detention without trial, DNA database) and I don't think it would have surprised anybody if they'd attempted to bring in something similar. The only thing keeping it out was the Lib Dems, but fuck tuition fees so there's that.

As for the Hunting ban free vote, whilst I don't like fox hunting myself I can see why the Conservatives would want to have a free vote given that the law was only put in place by circumventing the House of Lords and going through the parliamentary acts in the first place. You could argue the Hunting Ban is unenforceable anyway given the prevalence of hunting still. Nevertheless, the free vote is more or less just to appease some backbenchers given that the constituents they represent are the people most affect by the ban, it won't get whipped and so there is no chance it will get through. A non issue.

 

[mowgli]

Hunting foxes with holunds that rip them to pieces in what must be an agonising death and barbaric, i thought we were supposed to be a civilized country! Yes i agree they can be a pest to farmers so shoot them but don't turn it into a farce with huntsman riding across fields with bloodlust wanting to see a living creature being torn to shreds, no person with any humanity in them should enjoy seeing that.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I actually do not think people kept quiet about voting Tory, Ijust think people simply had not made their minds up until the moment they voted. I said myself as one who can swing from Tory to Labour I stood for 10 minutes with the paper in front of me on voting day trying to decide which to go for, I ended up for Labour but it could easily have gone other way and I think a lot of others were the same.

what probably swung it was that fear and loathing campaign about the evil scots in the end, plus that Labour still do not have much in the way of confidence running an economy, but that could take them another 5 years yet.

I do not at all think the government did bad the last 5 years, it was not an easy time and I think they handled it as best they could and probably a lot of the country agree, of course it wasn't done in the full way they want and that was probably a lot better for us all, but its a question of :

A: was it because Cameron has adjusted the Tory mentality
B: The lib Dems could influence them striking too deep
B: Due to Coalition the PM could afford to ignore his more radical back-benchers.

My own view is it was C and its why 2 defected to UKIP, my big big big worry now is the fact the Government will be influenced by these radical back benchers........why people vote them in i'll never know. It'll be interesting to see because if they do influence things it'll destroy the Tories like it did in 1997, Cameron somehow has to keep them similar to how they have been the last 5 years, but it'll be tougher now for him to do so when those who think they should shove in every Tory way can now claim no one can stop them.

Hope it goes well for you though Mowgli, that is an avenue I do disagree with on where the Coalition went

 

[Captain Scumbag]

My big big big worry now is the fact the Government will be influenced by these radical back benchers........why people vote them in i'll never know.

It's a radical idea, Dave, but I reckon it might be because they like and agree with the views those MPs espouse.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Hunting foxes with holunds that rip them to pieces in what must be an agonising death and barbaric, i thought we were supposed to be a civilized country! Yes i agree they can be a pest to farmers so shoot them but don't turn it into a farce with huntsman riding across fields with bloodlust wanting to see a living creature being torn to shreds, no person with any humanity in them should enjoy seeing that.

I think you're being naive if you think that shooting them is much different. This isn't the movies, they don't take a bullet and die instantly. As it has to be done at night, they can be lost and end up wandering around bleeding to death for hours depending on the quality of the shot. It's no where near as sanitized or humane as we'd like to believe. It probably is better though, if only because the fox doesn't have to endure the chase, but not by much. And I don't think the sporting aspect should even factor into our decision making, it's only the welfare of the animal that matters.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Why do we never talk about "freedom" in this country?

 

[silkyman]

In what context?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

In what context?

Any would be nice

edit: didn't mean anything to do with fox hunting

 

[mowgli]

I think you're being naive if you think that shooting them is much different. This isn't the movies, they don't take a bullet and die instantly. As it has to be done at night, they can be lost and end up wandering around bleeding to death for hours depending on the quality of the shot. It's no where near as sanitized or humane as we'd like to believe. It probably is better though, if only because the fox doesn't have to endure the chase, but not by much. And I don't think the sporting aspect should even factor into our decision making, it's only the welfare of the animal that matters.

I get your point, you only had to see what happened during the badger cull the marksmen were shit but at least there were no what should be obsolete rituals and puer enjoyment in the killing of a defenceless animal. What i want to see the end of is the glorification and bloodlust from pricks in red jackets.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Having lived in urban environments all my life I have very little knowledge about Fox hunting to call upon. My opinion is that it sounds unpleasant and somewhat unnecessary.

Again, guessing a bit here, I would imagine it'll fail any vote in parliament, as I guess only a certain demographic of Tory would support it. And it if was proposed and voted down (under a Tory government) then surely that adds more weight to the ban and settles the matter once and for all. So bringing it up might well be a good thing.

Re Snoopers charter, I work in and around IT and I have more than an interest in it. I was happy when it was blocked last time thanks to Lib Dem help. I like bits of it and understand the need for some legislation and work done in this area.

But personally feel what they have come up with in the snoopers charter goes too far in some areas and doesn't actually address the concerns in others. It feels like its written by politicians rather than technically knowledgeable people.

I enjoy the inter-party politics and debates behind the scenes, find internal Tory and Labour arguments more interesting than the dull mud slinging rhetoric and whipped party line voting we normally get in parliament

So whilst I look forward to seeing how Labour rebuild, I also look forward to seeing how this majority Tory government balances its more generally liberal minded people (like Cameron) and the nutters further on the right, of whom there are a lot of back benchers. Europe could be a heck of a powder keg in that one. As will Scotland. Fascinating

 

[Womble98]

Having lived in urban environments all my life I have very little knowledge about Fox hunting to call upon. My opinion is that it sounds unpleasant and somewhat unnecessary.

Again, guessing a bit here, I would imagine it'll fail any vote in parliament, as I guess only a certain demographic of Tory would support it. And it if was proposed and voted down (under a Tory government) then surely that adds more weight to the ban and settles the matter once and for all. So bringing it up might well be a good thing.

Re Snoopers charter, I work in and around IT and I have more than an interest in it. I was happy when it was blocked last time thanks to Lib Dem help. I like bits of it and understand the need for some legislation and work done in this area.

But personally feel what they have come up with in the snoopers charter goes too far in some areas and doesn't actually address the concerns in others. It feels like its written by politicians rather than technically knowledgeable people.

I enjoy the inter-party politics and debates behind the scenes, find internal Tory and Labour arguments more interesting than the dull mud slinging rhetoric and whipped party line voting we normally get in parliament

So whilst I look forward to seeing how Labour rebuild, I also look forward to seeing how this majority Tory government balances its more generally liberal minded people (like Cameron) and the nutters further on the right, of whom there are a lot of back benchers. Europe could be a heck of a powder keg in that one. As will Scotland. Fascinating

Fascinating but also tremendously worrying? I think if we left Europe we would be fucked.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Fascinating but also tremendously worrying? I think if we left Europe we would be fucked.

Yeah when it gets down to the actual vote and gets serious.. and I agree. Although I'd like to have my cake and eat it by staying in the EU but with some reforms/concessions ideally. A bit like the Scottish getting the best of both worlds maybe!

Anyway, that's for another day. Months and maybe years of arguing to come first though!

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Don't really have much of an opinion of Fox Hunting, in terms of the welfare it does seem a bit barbaric. I am totally opposed to it because of the people who go fox hunting are without fail the worst specimens of human around, rural Tories poncing around in stupid clothes. What could be better than spoiling things for them?

 

[mnb089mnb]

Don't really have much of an opinion of Fox Hunting, in terms of the welfare it does seem a bit barbaric. I am totally opposed to it because of the people who go fox hunting are without fail the worst specimens of human around, rural Tories poncing around in stupid clothes. What could be better than spoiling things for them?

That's a terrible reason for opposing fox hunting.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

That's a terrible reason for opposing fox hunting.

No, it isn't. Anything which winds up, irritates and pisses off reactionary Conservatives (which they all are) gets a thumbs up from me. They've got their friends in government now who will be sure to make the urban population pay, so forgive me for having no time at all for these kind of people and their archaic ways of spending their leisure time. There are far more important things to worry about, the ban is there, uphold it and don't bow to wealthy landowners.

 

[Techno Natch]

Don't really have much of an opinion of Fox Hunting, in terms of the welfare it does seem a bit barbaric. I am totally opposed to it because of the people who go fox hunting are without fail the worst specimens of human around, rural Tories poncing around in stupid clothes. What could be better than spoiling things for them?

A very strange position to have. So its fine if some good old fashioned working class people do it?


It's barbaric whoever does it and wherever they come from.


Oh and they're not all posh tory voters by the way.

 

[silkyman]

Asked about his appointment to the political cabinet, Johnson said: “It is a zero-hours contract. It is definitely not a job. I have accepted a role that Miliband wanted to ban.”
Johnson will simultaneously receive his MP’s salary of £67,060 and his mayoral pay of £143,911, as well as a six-figure Daily Telegraph salary.

Ha ha. Let's laugh at the poor people.

 

[silkyman]

Your new minister for disabled people, ladies and gents.

 

[mowgli]

Cheers silkyman now i am afraid of what will happen to my disability benefit, 34 years of working my bollocks off for fuck all!

 

[Techno Natch]

The perfect person for Equalities minister is apparently someone who doesn't believe in equality for LGBT people.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/1...tm_medium=socialFBimg&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

 

[mowgli]

The perfect person for Equalities minister is apparently someone who doesn't believe in equality for LGBT people.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/1...tm_medium=socialFBimg&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

This won't end well!

 

[Renegade]

Being disabled i'm crapping myself right now.

Seriously though, I don't mean to make light of your situation (I am just a juvenile), hope the Tories don't screw you over.

 

[mowgli]

Seriously though, I don't mean to make light of your situation (I am just a juvenile), hope the Tories don't screw you over.

No problem i laugh at my situation myself it's my way of dealing with things, it's that or cry!

 

[silkyman]

Cheers silkyman now i am afraid of what will happen to my disability benefit, 34 years of working my bollocks off for fuck all!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news fella!

 

[silkyman]

The perfect person for Equalities minister is apparently someone who doesn't believe in equality for LGBT people.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/1...tm_medium=socialFBimg&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

At this point, I'm surprised they don't have a climate change denier in the Enviromnent job..

 

[mowgli]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news fella!

No i'm glad i saw your post it means i can start planning my fight with the bastards at The DWP, i NEVER give in!

 

[.V.]

Anyone else following 50 shades of Tory on Twitter?

 

[mnb089mnb]

The perfect person for Equalities minister is apparently someone who doesn't believe in equality for LGBT people.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/1...tm_medium=socialFBimg&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

Following on from Nicky Morgan.... I guess the Tory belief is that some people are more equal than others?

 

[mowgli]

Following on from Nicky Morgan.... I guess the Tory belief is that some people are more equal than others?

That's not what they said before the election.