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Been told from a stadium officer efl clubs are looking at 50% of seated accommodation and aiming for start date 12/9.
If that’s correct might impact clubs more if no standing allowed due to people congregating in middle.

Assuming for those of us with the majority of capacity being standing, that is 50% of total capacity and not just 50% seating?
 

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Seating only

Well there would be an issue for a few clubs, ourselves included - at Wealdstone we have 800 seats or so in total so a total capacity of 400 is a non-starter. Bromley would be similar as would Sutton just off the top of my head.

What I've read on Twitter from a couple of chairmen in the National League is that it will be 25% of total capacity (when the new season starts in September) so in our case at the moment around 900. Not sure what it would be York with your new stadium but I know you'd still lose out on revenue compared to normal climates.

I should also wish good luck on the Promote 2 campaign, it's something that for the most part Wealdstone and King's Lynn supporters are behind. Hoping to play you next season.
 

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Well there would be an issue for a few clubs, ourselves included - at Wealdstone we have 800 seats or so in total so a total capacity of 400 is a non-starter. Bromley would be similar as would Sutton just off the top of my head.

What I've read on Twitter from a couple of chairmen in the National League is that it will be 25% of total capacity (when the new season starts in September) so in our case at the moment around 900. Not sure what it would be York with your new stadium but I know you'd still lose out on revenue compared to normal climates.

I should also wish good luck on the Promote 2 campaign, it's something that for the most part Wealdstone and King's Lynn supporters are behind. Hoping to play you next season.
It’s a very interesting thing that may just be efl,either way York new stadium is 8,600 all seater so would 2150 at 25%,so would lose revenue on 800 people.
Good luck next season beat Harrogate for us,we will lose 1-0 to altrincham in play offs if played,whatever happens 4 down and 4 up should happen.
 

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Hopefully, then that's another bankrolled placcy club out of the way.

Think Darlo are just about the only pure club left in this basket case of a £eague.
Ahem,.. Alty remain community owned, havent even gone bust and reformed like some I could mention:fl::fish:
 

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Ahem,.. Alty remain community owned, havent even gone bust and reformed like some I could mention:fl::fish:

Welcome to the pure club, if it is the case that you are fan owned with no bankrollers in sight - that makes two of us.

Yes, there are loads of clubs who you could mention which have gone bust and reformed over the years, such as Telford, Halifax, Maidstone, Newport, Chester, though I'm not sure why you mentioned that in response to a Darlo fan post, as it's irrelevant to us?

Established in 1883, 137 years and going strong.
 

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Welcome to the pure club, if it is the case that you are fan owned with no bankrollers in sight - that makes two of us.

Yes, there are loads of clubs who you could mention which have gone bust and reformed over the years, such as Telford, Halifax, Maidstone, Newport, Chester, though I'm not sure why you mentioned that in response to a Darlo fan post, as it's irrelevant to us?

Established in 1883, 137 years and going strong.
My mistake,.. I thought you reformed after going into administration the third time and getting demoted god knows how many leagues about 10 years ago ?
You are nearly as pure as Alty,.. we havent ever gone bust in 129 years as far as I know.
I applaud another fan owned club then :10:
 
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My mistake,.. I thought you reformed after going into administration the third time and getting demoted god knows how many leagues about 10 years ago ?
You are nearly as pure as Alty,.. we havent ever gone bust in in 117 years as far as I know.
I applaud another fan owned club then :10:

Going into administration and exiting administration isn't going bust though. Ceasing to exist is going bust.

Don't get me wrong we have a long rap sheet when it comes to financial trouble but that was under previous owners/bankrollers.

Now those days are behind us and we exist within our fan owned means.
 

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Going into administration and exiting administration isn't going bust though. Ceasing to exist is going bust.

Don't get me wrong we have a long rap sheet when it comes to financial trouble but that was under previous owners/bankrollers.

Now those days are behind us and we exist within our fan owned means.
From the BBC:
"Darlington 1883 will play in the National League North next season after sealing the Northern Premier League Premier Division championship. It is the third promotion in four seasons for the club, who formed after the demise of Darlington FC in 2012."

Why - if you are the same club - did the FA make you have a new name...?
 

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Hopefully, then that's another bankrolled placcy club out of the way.

Think Darlo are just about the only pure club left in this basket case of a £eague.

Our "investor" left over a year ago now. How long until we can be classed as pure again?!
 

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Welcome to the pure club, if it is the case that you are fan owned with no bankrollers in sight - that makes two of us.

Yes, there are loads of clubs who you could mention which have gone bust and reformed over the years, such as Telford, Halifax, Maidstone, Newport, Chester, though I'm not sure why you mentioned that in response to a Darlo fan post, as it's irrelevant to us?

Established in 1883, 137 years and going strong.
Very impressed with my fellow Chester fans for not biting on this one.
 
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From the BBC:
"Darlington 1883 will play in the National League North next season after sealing the Northern Premier League Premier Division championship. It is the third promotion in four seasons for the club, who formed after the demise of Darlington FC in 2012."

Why - if you are the same club - did the FA make you have a new name...?
Well, it’s not like the BBC to get anything wrong..
 

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From the BBC:
"Darlington 1883 will play in the National League North next season after sealing the Northern Premier League Premier Division championship. It is the third promotion in four seasons for the club, who formed after the demise of Darlington FC in 2012."

Why - if you are the same club - did the FA make you have a new name...?

Because they "treated us" as a new club. It's a long story which I can't be arsed to go into so I'll make it short. The FA changed their rules the season before we went into administration, and the new rules would be that any club whom exited administration without agreeing a CVA would be "treated as a new club".

Slight difference between being treated as a new club and being one.

Bournemouth, Leeds and Luton in previous seasons had done the same as Darlo and faced heavy points penalties, but were never classed as new clubs.

We took over the club, bought it's assets, took on the playing debt and paid it off in full, and so on. If we had ceased to exist we would have had no debt to pay.

The easiest way to prove we are the same club is to point out that we legally owned the Dan Burn and Michael Smith transfer sell on clauses - they were both sold by Darlo pre-administration - and got paid out on them when the players moved on from their clubs.

Obviously if we went bust we could not have had a claim on those transfer clauses.
 

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Very impressed with my fellow Chester fans for not biting on this one.

Why are you singling Chester out? I didn't single them out. I have no axe to grind with Chester either - I was just pointing out facts - you're one of many clubs who went bust and started again.

We didn't go bust and start again, but I'm not saying that to prove we are better than you, I'm just defending the fact that we are the same club and should not be lumped in with any phoenix clubs.

For the record - Chester are as "proper" as they come.
 

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Our "investor" left over a year ago now. How long until we can be classed as pure again?!

Yes I read about your investor leaving.

However your impressive and early signings whilst other clubs dare do nothing - gives off a whiff of some sort of financial backing in the background. Aren't you hybrid/full time as well? On gates of 900?

I'm skeptical that you're pure but I guess time will tell.

I think you'll need to have a financial sticky patch, and an appeal for cash from fans to tide you though it, and the fans to come up with the goods, and have to often fly by the seat of your pants and stuff like that. Pure clubs don't have it easy and have the chairman writing cheques every time something goes wrong.

If you financially implode mid season and have to sell your best players to clubs like Alfreton to make ends meet, then we can safely say there's no one sticking wads of cash in.

So a little way to go yet.
 

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Why are you singling Chester out? I didn't single them out. I have no axe to grind with Chester either - I was just pointing out facts - you're one of many clubs who went bust and started again.

We didn't go bust and start again, but I'm not saying that to prove we are better than you, I'm just defending the fact that we are the same club and should not be lumped in with any phoenix clubs.

For the record - Chester are as "proper" as they come.
It wasn’t meant in a nasty way I meant to add a laughing emoji on the end.
 

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Because they "treated us" as a new club. It's a long story which I can't be arsed to go into so I'll make it short. The FA changed their rules the season before we went into administration, and the new rules would be that any club whom exited administration without agreeing a CVA would be "treated as a new club".

Slight difference between being treated as a new club and being one.

Bournemouth, Leeds and Luton in previous seasons had done the same as Darlo and faced heavy points penalties, but were never classed as new clubs.

We took over the club, bought it's assets, took on the playing debt and paid it off in full, and so on. If we had ceased to exist we would have had no debt to pay.

The easiest way to prove we are the same club is to point out that we legally owned the Dan Burn and Michael Smith transfer sell on clauses - they were both sold by Darlo pre-administration - and got paid out on them when the players moved on from their clubs.

Obviously if we went bust we could not have had a claim on those transfer clauses.
Fair enough. There are a lot of entries around the internet listing you as a phoenix club however that need editing. Is this the same for Halifax, as their delightful fan on here always insists (I think - although frankly I don't bother reading what he writes anymore) they are not a phoenix club either? Mind you, if you start discussing 'purity' I think you open yourself up to criticism by putting yourselves on a pedestal... - are Man City not a 'proper club'in your world?
 

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Fair enough. There are a lot of entries around the internet listing you as a phoenix club however that need editing. Is this the same for Halifax, as their delightful fan on here always insists (I think - although frankly I don't bother reading what he writes anymore) they are not a phoenix club either? Mind you, if you start discussing 'purity' I think you open yourself up to criticism by putting yourselves on a pedestal... - are Man City not a 'proper club'in your world?

Of course they are a proper club, but are they pure? Not like Darlo are, no.

You can be pure and proper (like Darlo)

You can be pure and not proper

You can be proper and not pure

You can be not proper and not pure

All IMO of course:)

Yes I'm aware that there's a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation about us on the web, but ultimately we can't police and correct it all.

I think the easiest way to put across that we are the same club is the Burn/Smith transfer clauses. It's an inescapable fact that can't be explained away by anyone who chooses to keep on calling us a new club.

As for Halifax, they did go bust and re-start, which is a fact, but as far as I'm aware the Halifax fan whom you are talking about hasn't tried to claim they never went bust, his argument is basically same fans so a continuation of the same club although not legally.
 

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Please dont be offened Quakerz, but I would suggest that the definition pure requires that you paid all your creditors off in full during your 3 periods of administration.
If you did then I agree, if not then you may be proper but not pure,.. IMHO :pond:
 

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Please dont be offened Quakerz, but I would suggest that the definition pure requires that you paid all your creditors off in full during your 3 periods of administration.
If you did then I agree, if not then you may be proper but not pure,.. IMHO :pond:

Not offended at all.

We've had more than our fair share of money troubles under previous owners, we can't hide away from that.

What I mean by "pure" is fan run with no chairman underpinning the club. So we've been pure since the fans took over, according to my made up definition.

As I made the definition up just the other day, I say history doesn't apply to pureness, so a bankrolled club can become pure if it becomes fan run.
 

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AFC Telf-Wolves are no more as Harriers have reached an agreement with Wolves to host their PL2 games from now on
 

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Anyone any idea what's happening with the playoffs / dates etc. The main story on the Brackley website is an old person's toilet roll challenge... I'm not learning much from that.
 

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Anyone any idea what's happening with the playoffs / dates etc. The main story on the Brackley website is an old person's toilet roll challenge... I'm not learning much from that.
Their going ahead at the moment. First games 18/19th July. Final 1st/2nd August
 

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As it goes the noises are that we're more open to competing in them than we were a few weeks ago.

But it'll be costly for a fan owned club that relies on gate reciepts more than others. Plus we've already lost three players to other clubs including our top goalscorer and goalkeeper.
 

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As it goes the noises are that we're more open to competing in them than we were a few weeks ago.

But it'll be costly for a fan owned club that relies on gate reciepts more than others. Plus we've already lost three players to other clubs including our top goalscorer and goalkeeper.

Who have we lost besides Asante and Russell?
 

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As it goes the noises are that we're more open to competing in them than we were a few weeks ago.

But it'll be costly for a fan owned club that relies on gate reciepts more than others. Plus we've already lost three players to other clubs including our top goalscorer and goalkeeper.
Surely your club would push the boat out a bit if there was a chance of gaining promotion -- Maybe your last chance for a while.
 

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Surely your club would push the boat out a bit if there was a chance of gaining promotion -- Maybe your last chance for a while.
Can only spend what we have, we rely on gate money unlike most clubs. The fact that we average 2,000 fans yet still struggle against clubs that don’t even get half of what we do shows just how much most clubs are propped up.
 

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