- Jan 17, 2015
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- Woking FC
Appoint Neil Young as manager.
"...There are lads here with a lot of Conference North and Conference National experience who can form the basis of a good squad.
'Some people might expect me to come in and rip everything up, but I'll look carefully at the budget and the players we've got over the next couple of days before deciding the way forward."
"The harsh reality is that we need to build a squad capable of challenging for promotion, and to do that we need a major overhaul to free up as much of the budget as possible to create a squad good enough.
"We finished 30 points off the top of this league last season and if we just add five or six bodies to what we already have that will leave us short of were we need to be.
I think it's a great appointment. He made his mistakes with us in the summer, the biggest one was getting rid of 2 strikers that can score at this level, and replacing them with 3 who never have and falling out with one in September.
At the start of the season we looked hard to beat with a solid defence, and capable of nicking goals and dominated the midfield with Ledsham, Rule and Montrose, then as soon as Rule got a 10 game ban we seemed to fall apart.
He just made so many unnecessary changes, letting Thorniley go back to Everton and bringing Paul Connolly in his place meaning we had 2 old CB's and no pace, he used about 43 players, and signed Dale Tonge.
He's a good manager who I think was tactically good, I didn't actually want him to go as I thought he'd learn his lesson and be up there next season, so I sort of felt sorry for him in the end with the bad luck we had, he tried so hard to get it right, but like I said, his mistake was letting Dennis go and we never recovered.
See I would disagree about him being tactically good. He was versed in the basics but he couldn't react to other changes during the game. He had a Plan A and when that Plan A worked (as it did in August - September) it looked great, but as soon as teams had us worked out and granted some bad luck the wheels truly fell off and he didn't know how to react to it.
Rather than look to his own potential failings in managing the game or changing tactics, he resorted to dropping players for making one or two minor (in the grand scheme of things) mistakes and signing the next best available player. I lost complete confidence when he dropped Morton completely for losing his man on a corner, slating him directly in an interview, then going out the following Monday and signing Dale Tonge. He was too stubborn to even bring Morton back into the team until his back was truly against the wall.
He made a lot of strange decisions and for once he is probably the first manager we can say caused his own downfall rather than a contribution of board turmoil or politics.
yeah I see what you mean, but I think his initial plan of 4-4-2, a big man upfront, a solid defence, a hard working midfield of Rule and Montrose and Ledsham joining in from the left worked really well, when we played FCUM away we were playing awful so he took Gonzales off after 20 mins, brought Baggie on who changed the game and we won, we weren't great to watch, but we were solid, people were crying out for us to dick teams 4-0 like Worcester at home but I always knew that wouldn't happen as weren't that type of team. It was only when we got all the injuries and suspensions where Young got exposed, I think if we didn't get a ridiculous amount of sendings off etc he'd be with us now, not to mention the amount of players that let him down, mainly Baggie.
Definitely agree with your point about Morton, but as the season has unfolded, it's sort of justified as Morton does look capable of costing us as Gannon had a little pop at him after the Corby game aswell.
What I think costed Young was making too many, unnecessary changes, too many loan signings, and the big one: not replacing Dennis. But I think he is a good manager.
I don't think he made a mess of County, they are seemingly a basket case. The Messiah didn't really improve things either. When Neil got there their budget was already spent on overpaid rubbish with the notable exception of Dennis, who was always injured up to the point that he went to Macc.Had he not made such a balls of County, I'd have been fairly excited about this. As it is, I greet the news with hope rather than expectation
That is just not true - there were a handful of players on contracts (most of who could have played a part) and lots of the budget still available. He made a big song and dance about value for money but got rid of Dennis while still paying half his wages and then brought in a non-scoring striker in Odejayi on a bigger wage than Dennis was on.I don't think he made a mess of County, they are seemingly a basket case. The Messiah didn't really improve things either. When Neil got there their budget was already spent on overpaid rubbish with the notable exception of Dennis, who was always injured up to the point that he went to Macc.
People like Sam seem to be forgetting it looked like we were heading towards a relegation battle if we had kept Young any longer. Gannon got more out of the squad assembled by Young than Young did himself, and he had a worse record than the much maligned Lord despite an decent increase in budget.
Tactically he was extremely naive and rigidly stuck to an old fashioned 442 week in week out instead changing personal from game to game in blind hope of it working. We had no attacking pattern of play whatsoever and despite being a big team and having a decent dead ball delivery we never looked a threat from set-pieces (I'm lead to believe we very rarely worked on them in training and boy did it show).
The striker situation is well documented for me it wasn't getting rid of Dennis that I had a huge problem with, it was the lack of a proven replacement that was the major issue. I'm sure he will look to keep Reeves and won't make the same mistake twice.
The one thing you can give him credit for is putting together a solid defence but as he was unable to sort out the goalscoring and discipline issues he decided to try and fix something that wasn't broke and made a right royal hash of that as well.
I agree he is fine as long you're on a good run but has absolutely no idea what to do if it goes wrong - his Chester success was built on money and momentum - Alty are coming down after relegation and I should imagine he will be working on a smaller budget than he had with us this season, so it doesn't bode well.
I don't think he made a mess of County, they are seemingly a basket case. The Messiah didn't really improve things either. When Neil got there their budget was already spent on overpaid rubbish with the notable exception of Dennis, who was always injured up to the point that he went to Macc.
That is just not true - there were a handful of players on contracts (most of who could have played a part) and lots of the budget still available. He made a big song and dance about value for money but got rid of Dennis while still paying half his wages and then brought in a non-scoring striker in Odejayi on a bigger wage than Dennis was on.
As I said the messiah's record with Young's squad is better than his and Lord who was before him who had about 100k less to spend has a better record as well.
Of course County is a poisoned chalice but Young got everything he wanted, a huge backroom team, the biggest budget since we dropped to this division and unlike many other managers previous to him had no outside interference from anybody. He wasn't up to the job and to be fair to him he admitted as such and did the decent thing by going.
I don't know figures but I'm lead to believe he was on more than Dennis - Gannon alluded to the fact that there was a group of overpaid ex league players on a lot of money with the rest of the squad on a pittance. He didn't think that was a healthy set-up especially with the performances of both sets of players being at a similar level.Surely Odejayi isn't on more than 700 a week?
I wouldn't be surprised if Young has learnt from his mistakes it certainly sounds like he is aware of them from what he said on the Alty website. However he will be working with a smaller budget in a stronger looking league so it's going to be hard for him.We'll see next season. I would love Stockport to come up, but it'll take 2 or 3 season's. If it's any consolation Youngie is better than Burr.
For once we agree. I'm told he was unlucky/undermined at Stockport, one things for sure, he wont be using 37 players at Alty! The board would have a fit I dont know of any better candidate so just hope this works out, he did a great job at Chester, time will tellHad he not made such a balls of County, I'd have been fairly excited about this. As it is, I greet the news with hope rather than expectation
Whoever told you is misinformed - though he does say he was undermined at Chester before leaving - don't beleive there is much proof of that though.For once we agree. I'm told he was unlucky/undermined at Stockport, one things for sure, he wont be using 37 players at Alty! The board would have a fit I dont know of any better candidate so just hope this works out, he did a great job at Chester, time will tell
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