An absolute disgrace..

[Devon_Lad]

The tribunal for Ethan Ampadu has come back with £1.3m, 20% sell on clause and £250k in add ons.

What on earth is the point of investing in a strong academy when we eventually get a good player, the big clubs can come and poach them for peanuts. He's already worth around £15m. He's featured in the champions league, he's made international appearances and premier league appearances. He's young.

An absolute disgrace to football this decision - We should've got at the very least 2.5-3m considering Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool all also offered him contracts.

If he now gets a career ending injury that 20% is completely irrelevant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43804785

 

[valefan16]

The tribunal for Ethan Ampadu has come back with £1.3m, 20% sell on clause and £250k in add ons.

What on earth is the point of investing in a strong academy when we eventually get a good player, the big clubs can come and poach them for peanuts. He's already worth around £15m. He's featured in the champions league, he's made international appearances and premier league appearances. He's young.

An absolute disgrace to football this decision - We should've got at the very least 2.5-3m considering Man United, Arsenal and Liverpool all also offered him contracts.

If he now gets a career ending injury that 20% is completely irrelevant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43804785

That's not a bad deal, the expectations and the realities are often very different, we got a nominal fee for Jordan Hugill for example (5 figures)... he has since sold for £9 Million and we made nearly 2 Million in the sell on.

We are small fry clubs and its rare we get the better end of the deals unfortunately.

 

[Indian Dan]

Surely, the fact he is worth, according to you, £15m now has to be down to Chelsea. If he’d stayed playing for Exeter, you’d have been lucky to get what you have.

 

[T.A]

Should have gave him a new contract. Always a risk leaving it to a tribunal.

 

[Agombar stool]

Surely, the fact he is worth, according to you, £15m now has to be down to Chelsea. If he’d stayed playing for Exeter, you’d have been lucky to get what you have.

I was literally going to make that point. That price tag is completely down to the ludicrously overpriced values you get in the premier league.

I think 'Absolute disgrace' is a bit over egging things here. 'underwhelmed' would probably be more accurate.

 

[Tarzan]

Unfortunately, the reality is that this was compensation rather than a transfer fee. I know that several things are taken into account when the tribunal come up with a number but the primary consideration is compensating us for our investment in his development.

None of this makes it feel any better though and the outcome is slightly disappointing. That said, I think some fans' expectations were a little on the optimistic side.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Barcelona were on the lookout for a young, Devon born Welsh defensive midfielder/centre back though so if Chelsea could do the right thing please and sell him for around £50m that would sweeten the deal, thank you very much.

 

[valefan16]

Unfortunately, the reality is that this was compensation rather than a transfer fee. I know that several things are taken into account when the tribunal come up with a number but the primary consideration is compensating us for our investment in his development.

None of this makes it feel any better though and the outcome is slightly disappointing. That said, I think some fans' expectations were a little on the optimistic side.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Barcelona were on the lookout for a young, Devon born Welsh defensive midfielder/centre back though so if Chelsea could do the right thing please and sell him for around £50m that would sweeten the deal, thank you very much.

The sell on could be very good for you, if not immediate, the money we got for Hugill in January is close to our all time record sale of £2 Million (Ainsworth) yet that was a sell on.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Should have gave him a new contract. Always a risk leaving it to a tribunal.

We offered him a new contract.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Surely, the fact he is worth, according to you, £15m now has to be down to Chelsea. If he’d stayed playing for Exeter, you’d have been lucky to get what you have.

I'd disagree. He was always worth more than 1.3m - The fact all the big clubs were sniffing around, he already had an international call up and is so young. 1.3m is nothing short of peanuts for what he's worth. The 20% in theory could work out in our favour in the future, but not if he receives a career ending injury or doesn't leave Chelsea.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Unfortunately, the reality is that this was compensation rather than a transfer fee. I know that several things are taken into account when the tribunal come up with a number but the primary consideration is compensating us for our investment in his development.

None of this makes it feel any better though and the outcome is slightly disappointing. That said, I think some fans' expectations were a little on the optimistic side.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Barcelona were on the lookout for a young, Devon born Welsh defensive midfielder/centre back though so if Chelsea could do the right thing please and sell him for around £50m that would sweeten the deal, thank you very much.

To draw your attention to the Football League rules about compensation

3. In making a determination as aforesaid, the Committee shall take into account the costs set out in Regulation 4 and any of the following criteria:

3.1 the status of each of the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club;

3.2 the age of the Player;

3.3 the Training Model(s) (as that term is defined in Youth Development Rule 1.78) on which the Player was engaged with the Transferor Club;

3.4 the amount of any fee paid by the Transferor Club upon acquiring the registration of the Player;

3.5 the length of time during which the Transferor Club held the registration of the Player;

3.6 the terms of the new contract offered to him by both the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club;

3.7 his playing record including any international appearances;

3.8 substantiated interest shown by other clubs in acquiring the registration of the Player.

Based on the above, what we have received is shocking. Chelsea fans on Twitter are even saying we've been shafted. What is the point in developing young players, when a star comes along they take him from us for peanuts? Ampadu will make more in wages himself in the next few years than we get from him.

 

[Kenneth E End]

This is a good deal for Exeter.

For one, he’s still very young. Who’s to know if would’ve had the same impact if he had stayed at Exeter.

£1.3m rising to £2.55m is still a significant amount of money and could double your budget next season if used on the playing squad.

20% is still a substantial sell on fee. If they sold him for £15m, the total value of the transfer is £5m.

Has ANY league 2 team ever made that much money from 1 transfer?

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

The initial figure is perhaps a little disappointing, (although not sure its entirely reasonable to expect all that much more given he played 8 times for you. More fool you lot for not squeezing a few more appearances out of a player apparently worth 3 mill+!).

But if he is as good as you say then that 20% sell on figure is very decent. Youll get your rewards down the line.

 

[Tarzan]

To draw your attention to the Football League rules about compensation

3. In making a determination as aforesaid, the Committee shall take into account the costs set out in Regulation 4 and any of the following criteria:

3.1 the status of each of the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club;

3.2 the age of the Player;

3.3 the Training Model(s) (as that term is defined in Youth Development Rule 1.78) on which the Player was engaged with the Transferor Club;

3.4 the amount of any fee paid by the Transferor Club upon acquiring the registration of the Player;

3.5 the length of time during which the Transferor Club held the registration of the Player;

3.6 the terms of the new contract offered to him by both the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club;

3.7 his playing record including any international appearances;

3.8 substantiated interest shown by other clubs in acquiring the registration of the Player.

Based on the above, what we have received is shocking. Chelsea fans on Twitter are even saying we've been shafted. What is the point in developing young players, when a star comes along they take him from us for peanuts? Ampadu will make more in wages himself in the next few years than we get from him.

I'm aware of the rules but, like you I'd imagine, I don't know how the tribunal puts a value on any of that. It's probably numbers out of a hat.

I concur with your point about developing players. It does make you wonder why we bother but then the number of academy players in and around our first team is probably justification enough and that's before you start to think about those we've sold for decent money in recent years. Players like Ampadu are exceptional cases, not that this sugar coats a disappointing outcome.

 

[Devon_Lad]

The initial figure is perhaps a little disappointing, (although not sure its entirely reasonable to expect all that much more given he played 8 times for you. More fool you lot for not squeezing a few more appearances out of a player apparently worth 3 mill+!).

But if he is as good as you say then that 20% sell on figure is very decent. Youll get your rewards down the line.

The amount of times he played for us is completely irrelevant. We've had him and trained him since he was 7, and have put a lot of time, money and effort into his development.

 

[Devon_Lad]

The initial figure is perhaps a little disappointing, (although not sure its entirely reasonable to expect all that much more given he played 8 times for you. More fool you lot for not squeezing a few more appearances out of a player apparently worth 3 mill+!).

But if he is as good as you say then that 20% sell on figure is very decent. Youll get your rewards down the line.

The 20% sell on figure is only good if he does get sold, and doesn't remain at Chelsea like a John Terry type player, or receives a career ending injury. The entire system favours the Premier League clubs and shafts the little clubs who are trynig to make ends meat.

 

[northstandexile]

Surely the fee is that low is because his hairstyle is that shite.

 

[BelizeHatter]

As good a deal as any of us are gonna get for our homegrown kids. Accept the money the potential huge future windfall and realise it will attract more of these sort of kids who could pick Chelsea at 8yo instead of you.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

The amount of times he played for us is completely irrelevant. We've had him and trained him since he was 7, and have put a lot of time, money and effort into his development.

Its not irrelevant, it plays a part in the compensation i.e. his playing record. You are the one who posted the criteria!

 

[Devon_Lad]

Interesting to see, although you lot may think it's a fair deal - Chelsea fans on the Shed are saying it's an absolute steal and their club should do the honourable thing and give us more.

https://theshed.chelseafc.com/chat/forum_chelsea.shtml

 

[GTFCfish]

We got shafted once by a tribunal, Jack Lester to Notts Forest.
Forest offered us £500000 which we turned down, so it went to a tribunal and we got £300000.

Quality.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Interesting to see, although you lot may think it's a fair deal - Chelsea fans on the Shed are saying it's an absolute steal and their club should do the honourable thing and give us more.

https://theshed.chelseafc.com/chat/forum_chelsea.shtml

Wouldnt say its "fair". We are all just used to being shafted by these things thats all. Every club up and down the land has probably had an issue with a tribunal. Like Wycombes tactics, its not worth monaing about, you just know its going to happen. Dont know why you got your hopes up!

Plus 1.5 million is nothing to fans of those sorts of clubs, their concept of money is totally distorted.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Wouldnt say its "fair". We are all just used to being shafted by these things thats all. Every club up and down the land has probably had an issue with a tribunal. Like Wycombes tactics, its not worth monaing about, you just know its going to happen. Dont know why you got your hopes up!

Plus 1.5 million is nothing to fans of those sorts of clubs, their concept of money is totally distorted.

Yes, and it's an "absolute disgrace" the way the little clubs are treated by the system. That's the point I'm making.

A couple of quotes from Chelsea fans on the Shed..

"Does seem a bit stingey. I reckon double that and a sell-on clause would
have been fair."

"Yup we've mugged em off"

"wow....i'd be mad too if i were them. What a steal he is...."

"blimey, I hope the club are a bit more generous"

"I would have thought theclub would do the honourable thing in this instance"

 

[Agombar stool]

The 20% sell on figure is only good if he does get sold, and doesn't remain at Chelsea like a John Terry type player, or receives a career ending injury. The entire system favours the Premier League clubs and shafts the little clubs who are trynig to make ends meat.

Apart from Forest Green Rovers of course.

 

[Kenneth E End]

We got shafted once by a tribunal, Jack Lester to Notts Forest.
Forest offered us £500000 which we turned down, so it went to a tribunal and we got £300000.

Quality.

We got worse with Matthew Taylor. £450,000 in 2001, just after gaining promotion from this same level. Went on to play 300 times in the Premier League.

At least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask...

 

[Vanni]

An absolute disgrace!

Chelsea should do the decent thing and send their kids down to SJP for a pre-season friendly.

 

[Kenneth E End]

At the end of the day, this is how lower league clubs are going to have to model their clubs going forward. The EPPP isn't going away unfortunately.

We got shafted with Jay da Silva. He signed for Chelsea for something like £25,000, albeit as a 10 year old. He's now one of the most highly regarded youngsters in the country. But that said, when players are at that age you have no idea how they're going to grow. For every da Silva there is about 20 others that don't make it.

Paul Driver, our former academy manager, who did the same job at Rushden & Diamonds said that every young player they sold came back to the club eventually after rejection. That is the gamble.

The vast majority of our transfer income in recent years has come from sell on fees. So you need a bloody good negotiator in charge and actually accept your going to lose eventually and bite the bullet.

 

[Kenneth E End]

An absolute disgrace!

Chelsea should do the decent thing and send their kids down to SJP for a pre-season friendly.

And that's going to contribute the square root of fuck all!

 

[Devon_Lad]

At the end of the day, this is how lower league clubs are going to have to model their clubs going forward. The EPPP isn't going away unfortunately.

We got shafted with Jay da Silva. He signed for Chelsea for something like £25,000, albeit as a 10 year old. He's now one of the most highly regarded youngsters in the country. But that said, when players are at that age you have no idea how they're going to grow. For every da Silva there is about 20 others that don't make it.

Paul Driver, our former academy manager, who did the same job at Rushden & Diamonds said that every young player they sold came back to the club eventually after rejection. That is the gamble.

The vast majority of our transfer income in recent years has come from sell on fees. So you need a bloody good negotiator in charge and actually accept your going to lose eventually and bite the bullet.

EPPP wasn't relevant in this case

 

[Kenneth E End]

EPPP wasn't relevant in this case

I know, I was talking generically.

 

[T.A]

We offered him a new contract.

You should have got him sign a big one with you knowing he'd be sold to a premier league club for big money. You didn't gamble therefore you don't get the big money. You never get big money from a tribunal. Ever.