Away allocations 2022-23

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Just looking at the league next year there are potentially three teams I see that would likely bring over 2500 and that’s Derby, Wednesday and maybe Bolton. Depending on if they are going for promotion etc on the last day am happy to throw in Plymouth too. For every one of them though there is Accy, Morecambe, FGR etc who will bring about 150-200. Allocating a whole 4500 seater stand for them is a waste to me unless can partition it like other clubs do.

Some of this would be a moot point if ever got round to opening the other side of the Lorne Street but it was ridiculous announcing a home sellout last season v Newport when there was what 8500 home fans there and the Hamil was virtually empty?
Portsmouth and Ipswich travel pretty well too, they’d do 2,500 if there was a promotion at stake.
 

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Portsmouth and Ipswich travel pretty well too, they’d do 2,500 if there was a promotion at stake.

Fair point. To be honest it’s been so long since we played either of them I’ve forgotten what their away followings are like. That said the fixture computer has put both our games with Ipswich in midweek so would expect that to depress away followings.
 

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Some good numbers in this league, Vale away that late in the season is a god send.
 

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Wonder what MK allocation will be first away day for us. Can't see us needing as many as last season.
 

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Fair point. To be honest it’s been so long since we played either of them I’ve forgotten what their away followings are like. That said the fixture computer has put both our games with Ipswich in midweek so would expect that to depress away followings.
A few first meetings in decades, Ipswich, Derby and Portsmouth last met in the second tier in the 90s, Sheffield Wednesday we doubled in 2003/04 and was doubled the year later but beat them in the cup under MA when Francis Jeffers nutted Fraser got sent off and needed stitches!
 

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A few first meetings in decades, Ipswich, Derby and Portsmouth last met in the second tier in the 90s, Sheffield Wednesday we doubled in 2003/04 and was doubled the year later but beat them in the cup under MA when Francis Jeffers nutted Fraser got sent off and needed stitches!
Did both league games you mentioned, wish I'd done the game in 91, both ends looked mental after the goals.

 

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Wonder what MK allocation will be first away day for us. Can't see us needing as many as last season.

Would anticipate Wednesday will be allowed as many as they want. Think as I understand it they only limited the support from Wycombe to try and increase their home advantage. That’s my closest away game as only live about 5 miles from Stadium MK and we are there for our second away match I think. Personally it’s not really a stadium I enjoy going to. Looks great appearance wise but each time have been there you get a better atmosphere on the moon.
 

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Would anticipate Wednesday will be allowed as many as they want. Think as I understand it they only limited the support from Wycombe to try and increase their home advantage. That’s my closest away game as only live about 5 miles from Stadium MK and we are there for our second away match I think. Personally it’s not really a stadium I enjoy going to. Looks great appearance wise but each time have been there you get a better atmosphere on the moon.
Been a couple of times and not my cup of tea either but have family down there so will have to make the effort.

We had 5.6k for a 7.45pm Saturday sky ko can't see us needing that this time
 

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Did both league games you mentioned, wish I'd done the game in 91, both ends looked mental after the goals.


Believe it or not this was the first ever game I attended. Back in the day of the Hamil End being terraced think you could get almost 6000 in that or around that number. Was always hard to tell as our then owner had rather “creative” reporting of crowds etc at that time. Think Wednesday had just won the league cup around that time as well.
 

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Believe it or not this was the first ever game I attended. Back in the day of the Hamil End being terraced think you could get almost 6000 in that or around that number. Was always hard to tell as our then owner had rather “creative” reporting of crowds etc at that time. Think Wednesday had just won the league cup around that time as well.
Yeah we had to cram about 4 games in ten days cos of the cup run and was a Monday night I think.
 
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Just looking at the league next year there are potentially three teams I see that would likely bring over 2500 and that’s Derby, Wednesday and maybe Bolton. Depending on if they are going for promotion etc on the last day am happy to throw in Plymouth too.
Tbf we sold out almost every away end last season and most games when allocations were big enough took 2000+. Took 6,800 to Milton Keynes.

Not saying we will definitely sell it out being a midweek fixture but we will certainly go close. I’ll be there anyway so that’s at least one. That said, we did sell out Cheltenham for a midweek fixture. Charlton (3,200) and Wimbledon (1100) were midweeks too and they both sold out quickly. Couple of other midweeks that I’d have expected to have been unlikely seeing as Ipswich is a bitch to get back to for midweek fixtures. With us playing you for the first time in a while, I’d be expecting at least 2,000 will travel up for it and if results are going our way, it’ll be a sellout.

Edit - Just seen your replies above. Note to self - read whole thread before replying haha.
 
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Tbf we sold out almost every away end last season and most games when allocations were big enough took 2000+. Took 6,800 to Milton Keynes.

Not saying we will definitely sell it out being a midweek fixture but we will certainly go close. I’ll be there anyway so that’s at least one. That said, we did sell out Cheltenham for a midweek fixture. Charlton (3,200) and Wimbledon (1100) were midweeks too and they both sold out quickly. Couple of other midweeks that I’d have expected to have been unlikely seeing as Ipswich is a bitch to get back to for midweek fixtures. With us playing you for the first time in a while, I’d be expecting at least 2,000 will travel up for it and if results are going our way, it’ll be a sellout.

Edit - Just seen your replies above. Note to self - read whole thread before replying haha.
Not sure you sold out most games tbh
 
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Not sure you sold out most games tbh
We’d sold out something like 9 of our first 10 (maybe it was 9 from 11 to be fair) away games last season so it would’ve ended up as around 70% of the games sold out I’d have thought
 

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Tbf we sold out almost every away end last season and most games when allocations were big enough took 2000+. Took 6,800 to Milton Keynes.

Not saying we will definitely sell it out being a midweek fixture but we will certainly go close. I’ll be there anyway so that’s at least one. That said, we did sell out Cheltenham for a midweek fixture. Charlton (3,200) and Wimbledon (1100) were midweeks too and they both sold out quickly. Couple of other midweeks that I’d have expected to have been unlikely seeing as Ipswich is a bitch to get back to for midweek fixtures. With us playing you for the first time in a while, I’d be expecting at least 2,000 will travel up for it and if results are going our way, it’ll be a sellout.

Edit - Just seen your replies above. Note to self - read whole thread before replying haha.

Well if we give the Hamil End which as mentioned a little bit further up will likely be the case at this point you can have up to 4500 in that stand. I think sometimes people don’t realise we can provide up to that much capacity. If got close to that midweek that would be pretty incredible with all the cost of living problems right now and it being a nasty journey to make as you say. It’s certainly going to affect our following at Portman Road unfortunately.

Certainly some impressive numbers mentioned there though regardless. Think last time we’ll have played each other would be our relegation season from the Championship in 2000 so it’s a fair old time in the past now.
 

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I’ll be interested to see how many we’ll take to Port Vale, will be a new ground for a lot of people.

I’d guess around 1,500-1,750.
 
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Well if we give the Hamil End which as mentioned a little bit further up will likely be the case at this point you can have up to 4500 in that stand. I think sometimes people don’t realise we can provide up to that much capacity. If got close to that midweek that would be pretty incredible with all the cost of living problems right now and it being a nasty journey to make as you say. It’s certainly going to affect our following at Portman Road unfortunately.

Certainly some impressive numbers mentioned there though regardless. Think last time we’ll have played each other would be our relegation season from the Championship in 2000 so it’s a fair old time in the past now.
New ground for so many of us under 25s so that’ll definitely help for numbers. Shame it’s midweek as we’d have definitely sold out the original 2,500 you offer without a doubt. We played stoke every season for years in the championship and even in our relegation season when we had won 1 away game in like 6 months we still had 1500 there. So port vale being nearby and a new ground the numbers will be good - even though it’s going to be a freezing cold Tuesday night
 

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Just looking at the league next year there are potentially three teams I see that would likely bring over 2500 and that’s Derby, Wednesday and maybe Bolton. Depending on if they are going for promotion etc on the last day am happy to throw in Plymouth too. For every one of them though there is Accy, Morecambe, FGR etc who will bring about 150-200. Allocating a whole 4500 seater stand for them is a waste to me unless can partition it like other clubs do.

Some of this would be a moot point if ever got round to opening the other side of the Lorne Street but it was ridiculous announcing a home sellout last season v Newport when there was what 8500 home fans there and the Hamil was virtually empty?

Be a shame if you limited away followings. Reasonably decent away day Vale, especially now Crewe have dropped out.
 

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Be a shame if you limited away followings. Reasonably decent away day Vale, especially now Crewe have dropped out.
Problem is away fans get the best stand for acoustics and facilities certainly in comparison to the opposite, we tested it against Swindon in the play offs and it worked far better from a home point of view.

The Bycars will still have nearly 3k
 

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I’ll be interested to see how many we’ll take to Port Vale, will be a new ground for a lot of people.

I’d guess around 1,500-1,750.
Sure we played you in our relegation season in 2016/17? We were awful but nabbed a point with a late penalty.
 

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Sure we played you in our relegation season in 2016/17? We were awful but nabbed a point with a late penalty.

Yeah but that’s the only time in 22 years and as above, was midweek so I suspect a lot more will be looking to do it on a Saturday, even the one in 2000 was a Tuesday.

I’ve only been once myself as a kid when the club laid on free travel.
 
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Wonder what MK allocation will be first away day for us. Can't see us needing as many as last season.
You'll be allowed up to around 7k if you can sell it as I think that's our max allocation unless we suddenly have 15,000 fans appear from nowhere. The Wycombe thing was to increase competitive advantage that worked considering we won the game and would have won the tie had Stockdale not had a brilliant game, and it also worked against Mansfield when we had a shootout for promotion in 2019.
 

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You'll be allowed up to around 7k if you can sell it as I think that's our max allocation unless we suddenly have 15,000 fans appear from nowhere. The Wycombe thing was to increase competitive advantage that worked considering we won the game and would have won the tie had Stockdale not had a brilliant game, and it also worked against Mansfield when we had a shootout for promotion in 2019.
Aye thought as much but not convinced it is needed.

I'm pissed off cos I usually see the little brother for the weekend but got to rush back after for boxing
 

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We’ve had police and board approval to relocate the away end to the far side which is the Bycars (allocation up to 3000 down from 4500 currently). We just need to complete planning permission and a few tweaks but is expected to come into force for the 2023 fixtures so anyone playing us after New Year will likely be in the Bycars End.
 

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Good news and I think this is a reasonable way to do it. Think after the Derby home game on 7th Jan might be the earliest time they do it as then have a succession of the clubs with lower away support. Obviously not every night will be like the playoff game but should improve what is usually a pretty terrible home atmosphere tenfold as well as other stuff like developing the fanzone etc.
 

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Good news and I think this is a reasonable way to do it. Think after the Derby home game on 7th Jan might be the earliest time they do it as then have a succession of the clubs with lower away support. Obviously not every night will be like the playoff game but should improve what is usually a pretty terrible home atmosphere tenfold as well as other stuff like developing the fanzone etc.
Interesting to see what happens regarding away fans as Swindon were forced to park on the Dimensions and walk around the training ground so may hit Burslem pubs in the pockets so have to see how it’s addressed.
 

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Interesting to see what happens regarding away fans as Swindon were forced to park on the Dimensions and walk around the training ground so may hit Burslem pubs in the pockets so have to see how it’s addressed.

I'm not so sure it will make any difference to them. In reality the only boozer in the town centre that is genuine away fan friendly on a normal matchday is the Bulls Head and any time there's been increased home support (which given ST sales is a reasonable assumption this season) such as Bristol Rovers etc they've let not away fans in then. It seemed to work pretty well for Swindon in keeping home and away fans apart outside. Obviously the pitch invasion was nothing to do with the swapping of stands.
 

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Interesting to see what happens regarding away fans as Swindon were forced to park on the Dimensions and walk around the training ground so may hit Burslem pubs in the pockets so have to see how it’s addressed.

We parked in some other car park that wasn't Dimensions. There was nowhere to drink (I was driving anywhere so didn't bother me too much) so would be interesting to see what Vale do. Perhaps doing something behind the away stand like some kind of fan zone in a marquee or something?
 

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We’ve had police and board approval to relocate the away end to the far side which is the Bycars (allocation up to 3000 down from 4500 currently). We just need to complete planning permission and a few tweaks but is expected to come into force for the 2023 fixtures so anyone playing us after New Year will likely be in the Bycars End.

Good news for us then! You’re our first decent away day in week 3 of the season, looking forward to it!
 

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Barnsley 5k
Bristol R 1.1k?
Burton 1.6k?
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Oxford 1.8k
Plymouth 2.2k
Pompey 2k
Posh 4k?
Wednesday 4k
Wycombe 1.8k

These are the ones that I can actually get to this season, but I know Burton is very unlikely due to tickets. If I can get to half the away games then that would be good for me - 7 new grounds out of that lot too, for me!
 

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