Brendan Rodgers

[Bilo]

See I told you this would happen Jim, get out of here. Whitechapel, explain how Campbell and Akbom are better than Ings I wanna know

 

[JimJams]

So he's a winger then?

 

[Whitechapel]

So he's a winger then?

He plays there more often than he'd like, but I'm talking about his capabilities as a striker.

 

[Whitechapel]

See I told you this would happen Jim, get out of here. Whitechapel, explain how Campbell and Akbom are better than Ings I wanna know

Campbell will turn out the better player even if my beloved stats can't prove that, but for now...

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../attack_score/total_shots/defence_score#total

 

[JimJams]

I know what you're talking about, and I'm not saying Ings is a better striker, but it's certainly not clear cut. Ings has only had one season of top flight football and he scored more in that season than Welbeck has ever managed in a season. So on that front Ings is ahead. There's then the argument that while Ings was deployed as a striker, Welbeck has been shifted out wide for a lot of games. This would obviously affect his goal tally, but the question then is why is he shifted out wide? Perhaps because he's just not prolific enough in front of goal, that'd certainly make sense. But it'd also make sense to say that that is unfair because while Ings had no competition for a place up front, Welbeck has had to compete with RvP, Rooney and now Giroud and Walcott, so that's perhaps unfair as well. But then so is the fact that Ings played for Burnley, a largely defensive side vs Man Utd and Arsenal, two of the best attacking sides in the country and at times, Europe. So shouldn't we expect more from a Utd/Arsenal player?
Interestingly they both played for the England u21s and their records are near identical.

 

[Whitechapel]

I know what you're talking about, and I'm not saying Ings is a better striker, but it's certainly not clear cut. Ings has only had one season of top flight football and he scored more in that season than Welbeck has ever managed in a season. So on that front Ings is ahead. There's then the argument that while Ings was deployed as a striker, Welbeck has been shifted out wide for a lot of games. This would obviously affect his goal tally, but the question then is why is he shifted out wide? Perhaps because he's just not prolific enough in front of goal, that'd certainly make sense. But it'd also make sense to say that that is unfair because while Ings had no competition for a place up front, Welbeck has had to compete with RvP, Rooney and now Giroud and Walcott, so that's perhaps unfair as well. But then so is the fact that Ings played for Burnley, a largely defensive side vs Man Utd and Arsenal, two of the best attacking sides in the country and at times, Europe. So shouldn't we expect more from a Utd/Arsenal player?
Interestingly they both played for the England u21s and their records are near identical.

Some very good points you raise there Jimbo. We see this happen with strikers coming up to the PL and firing home quite a few goals in a break out season, then go quiet. (Good example here is Kane) It would have been interesting to see how Charlie Austin would have faired in the league with a club that are fighting for a place in Europe.
Danny W has been pretty unlucky in the fact he's had to play second fiddle to Rooney and RvP amongst others up until now, and with Giroud fighting for any decent bit of form this season, had he been fit then he'd have had the nod by now I think. Perhaps being the underdog and people having low expectations of you can help with a good start in the Premier League, but once you take the step up and people expect you to perform at that level, the cradle starts to rock.
I stand by my point that Ings isn't at Welbeck's level, though he did clearly have a better goalscoring record last season.

 

[SALTIRE]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03...ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

What do we think to ole Motty's opinion on the matter?

I think he's blethering rubbish. Heard it on radio 5 last night and wondered what the hell he was on about and he didn't back up his conclusion. Just left it hanging in the ether.

 

[Nilsson]

Ings will end up like Borini. He'll be at a club like Aston Villa in a few years.

 

[JimJams]

He'll probably move on. As he's not first choice it's almost inevitable really. So in that respect, he's like Borini. Borinis prem record is woeful though. Something like 1 in 6 apps.

 

[G.B]

I let Welbeck go because there's no way in hell Whitechapel will bulge on that one. Focus on the clear cut ones, work with me here. Now he's gonna ignore me and just quote you, you bastard.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[johnnytodd]

Benteke will be the bigger flop, i could see Ings and Sturridge working together with the former being the poacher of the 2. That said Liverpools main problem is the only decent player they have is Countiho and he wants out.

The centre backs are gash and the wing backs are average too. Added to that Milner is an OAP and Henderson is just horseshit.
Looking good for 10th though.

 

[merseyboyred]

You're perhaps the Milner of WUMs johnny, plenty of threads covered and relentless at it, but just a lack of quality that prevents you from being in the upper echelon.

 

[Pagnell]

Welbeck is shit.

 

[Whitechapel]

Welbeck is shit.

Still bet you chuckled when he scored the winner at Old Trafford last season?

 

[johnnytodd]

You're perhaps the Milner of WUMs johnny, plenty of threads covered and relentless at it, but just a lack of quality that prevents you from being in the upper echelon.

 

[Pagnell]

Still bet you chuckled when he scored the winner at Old Trafford last season?

Any chuckle would have been in amazement that he managed to finish. United weren't stupid, they got rid for good reason and got more than he's worth.

 

[Whitechapel]

Any chuckle would have been in amazement that he managed to finish. Chelsea weren't stupid, they got rid for good reason and got more than he's worth.

Read the above again, and your mind will be blown.

 

[thespus]

Any chuckle would have been in amazement that he managed to finish. United weren't stupid, they got rid for good reason and got more than he's worth.

Welbeck isn't all that, but £16m for a 23 year old England International with his experience is hardly an over-payment in the market. If we sold him this summer, he'd comfortably have moved for as much. He's a superb squad option - SAF wasn't stupid, and he regularly started Welbeck in big matches.

 

[Christian Slater]

I like Ings, he's got a technical grounding that should be mandatory for any England player but of few posses.

Did the tribunal get sorted with Burnley?

 

[Bilo]

Campbell will turn out the better player even if my beloved stats can't prove that, but for now...

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../attack_score/total_shots/defence_score#total

The stats already, basically, prove the opposite of what you somehow manage to believe regarding Campbell.

Ings scored 11 in 34, Campbell 8 in 32 last season. Similar, even though Ings' is better. But then if you take into account that Ings played in the premier league, and Campbell in the greek league, it's quite a difference. If you then also add that Ings played for a team that got relegated, and Campbell for the team that won the league, it's not even comparable. They're the same age. I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, but you're extremely unlikely to be right and even you should be able to see that. Until something drastically changes, Ings should be considered the superior player and it's not really debatable.

I won't even going to dignify that link with a response, and since you rate Campbell above Akpom, I shouldn't have to.

Ings will end up like Borini. He'll be at a club like Aston Villa in a few years.

Now this I agree with.

 

[Whitechapel]

The stats already, basically, prove the opposite of what you somehow manage to believe regarding Campbell.

Ings scored 11 in 34, Campbell 8 in 32 last season. Similar, even though Ings' is better. But then if you take into account that Ings played in the premier league, and Campbell in the greek league, it's quite a difference. If you then also add that Ings played for a team that got relegated, and Campbell for the team that won the league, it's not even comparable. They're the same age. I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, but you're extremely unlikely to be right and even you should be able to see that. Until something drastically changes, Ings should be considered the superior player and it's not really debatable.

I won't even going to dignify that link with a response, and since you rate Campbell above Akpom, I shouldn't have to.

Now this I agree with.

Did you omit Akpom for any particular reason, or just for the simple reason I was right on that one?

I'll agree with you though, that Ings IS a better Premier League footballer than Campbell as it stands.

 

[Bilo]

Did you omit Akpom for any particular reason, or just for the simple reason I was right on that one?

I'll agree with you though, that Ings IS a better Premier League footballer than Campbell as it stands.

Right on Akpom? Jesus. We're talking six games versus three, completely ignoring the previous season, in which Ings broke through.

Akpom has scored 2 in 6 for Hull, right? I mean, the link is literally painful for the eyes so I went with another one, but that's what I gather. Ings got 1 in 3 for Liverpool, which is the same. Obviously, the Premier League is a better league than the Championship but by now I seriously wouldn't be surprised if you even disagreed with that.

Akpom isn't anywhere near Ings yet, but he's much younger. There's absolutely nothing to show that Akpom is the better player, and you should identify your bias here and just back down as you gracefully did with Campbell. I mean jesus christ, Akpom has scored three senior league goals in his life!

This is all coming from someone who doesn't rate Ings, so don't throw that bias stuff back at me.

 

[Munkiki]

I mean, the link is literally painful for the eyes so I went with another one, but that's what I gather.

probably the worst use of stats to try and prove a point ever

player A has 1 goal from 5 shots in 3 top flight games with some mediocre mid-table team
player B has 1 goal from 15 shots in 8 second flight games with a team expected to challenge for the title

I suspect he's having you on.

 

[Bilo]

probably the worst use of stats to try and prove a point ever

player A has 1 goal from 5 shots in 3 top flight games with some mediocre mid-table team
player B has 1 goal from 15 shots in 8 second flight games with a team expected to challenge for the title

I suspect he's having you on.

I don't get this whose side are you on

 

[Benji]

Balotelli is on a one-man mission to prove Brendan Rodgers is a bad man manager.

 

[JimJams]

I think Brendan Rodgers is already leading that mission.

 

[G.B]

Ings will end up like Borini. He'll be at a club like Aston Villa in a few years.

There's a good chance Liverpool will be a club like Aston villa in a few years, the way they're going.

 

[merseyboyred]

Ings will end up like Borini. He'll be at a club like Aston Villa in a few years.

I think he likely will do. That doesn't preclude him from being a good player at that point though, and he's better than Borini, of that I have no doubt currently.

I like Ings, he's got a technical grounding that should be mandatory for any England player but of few posses.

Did the tribunal get sorted with Burnley?

Strangely enough no, he's playing for us yet we still haven't paid for him, seems an odd situation!

There's a good chance Liverpool will be a club like Aston villa in a few years, the way they're going.

Shaddap you.

 

[DarkSithLord]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34332408

 

[Spear]

Please keep him, he will turn it around for sure