Bristol City thread

[Ciderup]

London is where his agent is based. Supposedly there to talk to his agent.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks Jon.

 

[Ciderup]

You've got me all wrong CU .. I'm devastated for you ( and the takeaway owners of south Bristol)

Bollocks!!

 

[City169]

I find it a bit odd sometimes how anti-Lansdown you guys can be. You should be grateful he's throwing any money at the club at all, and also grateful that he seems to be trying to do it in a responsible way. In some ways very very similar to Matthew Benham and us.

You can't be annoyed that he's decided against throwing £30k a week at someone, that kind of wage is ridiculous in this division and not sustainable.

I understand the frustrations you had last year, but you shouldn't go making ridiculous financial decisions off the back of that, and you should be applauding Lansdown for continuing to run the club in a responsible way. As other posters have said, after you went down last time you were fucked, the only reason you are back here is because of him.

Finally, throwing money at a guy who would be a big risk (if he flops, given his previous behavioural issues, who would take him off your hands and be able to afford his wages?) isn't the way to get into the PL. Clubs like us have to be smarter than just spending money we don't have. That won't get us past the Newcastles or Derbys, and will just ruin your club again.

The posters on here seem to go from one extreme to the other at the tiniest thing, yet still aren't as bad as on OTIB.
Your post is absolutely spot on.

 

[JJH]

The posters on here seem to go from one extreme to the other at the tiniest thing, yet still aren't as bad as on OTIB.
Your post is absolutely spot on.

You mean like, the extreme from Tomlin looking likely to sign, then us cocking about with the deal that was already agreed?

Can you not see why we're annoyed? I don't think anyone has blown this out of proportion on here at all.

 

[City169]

You mean like, the extreme from Tomlin looking likely to sign, then us cocking about with the deal that was already agreed?

Can you not see why we're annoyed? I don't think anyone has blown this out of proportion on here at all.

And yet the deal isn't dead, odd considering the posts on here would lead you to believe it is.
And I really wasn't on about just this, I was speaking generally.- after every defeat you get almost suicidal with the way you post. Everything is one extreme to the other.

Let's not forget the summer of 2 years ago, the one people say is so fantastic, well we currently have made 1 less signing than this time during that summer.

 

[JJH]

And yet the deal isn't dead, odd considering the posts on here would lead you to believe it is.
And I really wasn't on about just this- after every defeat you get almost suicidal with the way you post. Everything is one extreme to the other.

Me specifically? If so, from May-February last season was a terrible time to be a City fan, and I don't need to into the why's and where's. I think our fans frustrations are more than justified if Tomlin doesn't sign, just like last summer when Gayle, Gray, Bunn, Lingard, Konchesky etc didn't sign.

 

[City169]

Me specifically? If so, from May-February last season was a terrible time to be a City fan, and I don't need to into the why's and where's. I think our fans frustrations are more than justified if Tomlin doesn't sign, just like last summer when Gayle, Gray, Bunn, Lingard, Konchesky etc didn't sign.

Not you specifically, I was just giving an example.

So are you deliberately ignoring the summer before last, seeing as I just said about we are 1 signing different to then, and Mark Ashton was involved in that one too?

 

[JJH]

Not you specifically, I was just giving an example.

So are you deliberately ignoring the summer before last, seeing as I just said about we are 1 signing different to then, and Mark Ashton was involved in that one too?

I'll preserve judgment for this summer, but it's not looking great so far.

 

[City169]

I'll preserve judgment for this summer, but it's not looking great so far.

*says they will wait before judging*
*judges*

 

[BCFC David]

I'm sure the players we signed two seasons ago looked like they'd strengthen the first 11. The three signed so far is a kid from wrexham ( he's barely played for their first team) Brownhill ( couldn't get in Preston's team) and an aging midfielder.

Still early days (Ashton and Co did say they wanted most of their business done early) but after last seasons debacle you can't blame anyone for being a tad on edge.

 

[JonBCFC]

Guys, we're not even into July yet.

 

[Ciderhead]

Not buying it. Anyway, you pull out Derby as an example - why can't we compete with them?

Because they're a far bigger club than us with a far bigger fanbase and far higher revenues. You say you're not being unrealistic and then you genuinely seem to expect us to be able to compete financially with the likes of Derby.

My problem with Lansdown is the Premier League game he talks every season, but then when it comes to handing out the wages he's losing out to smaller clubs down the bottom end,

Name one player that we've lost out to a smaller club at the bottom end of the table.

Your whole post seems to be based under the assumption the only way you can do anything in this league is to throw crazy money at it. Bournemouth, Brentford, Watford, Brighton, Sheff Wed, even Cardiff last season would attest to the opposite. We're not a big fish at this level, in League 1 we could just go out and cherry pick top established players, it's not that easy up here for a club like us. But that doesn't mean we can't have any ambitions to do well, we just have to be a bit cannier about it. Look at the foreign market, signings like Kodjia, younger players from the lower leagues and Premier League clubs, utilize our academy, and good coaching looking to improve the players we've got (which I believe we have in LJ). And then the big advantage that having a SL gives us is we don't desperately need to sell to stay afloat, we can look to build and retain a team over a few years.

Our fans love a marquee signing, but so many seem to think it's the only way things can get done. Look at Brighton (who are a great role model of how we should be looking to build with a new stadium) how many big name signings did they make? Zamora's an experienced head but past his prime and not going to play regularly. Only one that springs to mind is Knockaert and that was in Jan when they were an established promotion contender. Players like Hemed and Murphy, or Kayal and Stephens who were arguably the best midfield in the league and yet didn't even make a ripple at the time of signing. They're types that are well within our range and the sorts of things we should be looking at (though it probably wouldn't appease our fans)

Look back when we were appointing a new manager the amount that were coming out with "oh if we don't get Pearson SL clearly doesn't want to get to the PL after all". It's just nonsense. How much experience or pedigree did people like Alex Neill, Eddie Howe or Mark Warbuton have? There's not just one way of doing things. And we've got to have some perspective over where our level as a club is at and be a bit smart about it.

Obviously if the opportunity to sign a player like Tomlin comes along it's worth trying, you'd love to have a player like that in your side. But it's not the be all and end all. We shouldn't break the bank in order to make it happen. Our fans seem to have completely forgotten what happened last time we were up here but thankfully it seems the board, for a change, aren't being so short-termist.

If it turns out we had a deal agreed with him and then we backtracked trying to be sneaky saving a bit of money at the last minute then yeah, we fucked up. But if it's just a case of Tomlin wanting £30k a week or something crazy then we're quite right not to. It's not a disaster. Teams have got promoted before without Lee bloody Tomlin.


Tl;dr - You don't have to go mental financially to do it in this league, just be a bit smart about it.

 

[Ciderup]

Because they're a far bigger club than us with a far bigger fanbase and far higher revenues.

If it turns out we had a deal agreed with him and then we backtracked trying to be sneaky saving a bit of money at the last minute then yeah, we fucked up. But if it's just a case of Tomlin wanting £30k a week or something crazy then we're quite right not to. It's not a disaster. Teams have got promoted before without Lee bloody Tomlin.


Tl;dr - You don't have to go mental financially to do it in this league, just be a bit smart about it.

This, I totally agree with. We cannot overspend just because it's Lee Tomlin. In all honesty, I am getting sick of hearing his name TBH. Great player but we ain't talking World beater here. IF the rumours of a change in the deal are true then, yes, it's poor on our part but we should not pay over the odds for him IMHO.
Let's hope it's still 'on' but I have my doubts that it is.

In other news, Joel Ekstrand is in talks according to the Watford press. Any good?

This too...

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

and Mark Ashton was involved in that one too?

Eh?

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

This, I totally agree with. We cannot overspend just because it's Lee Tomlin. In all honesty, I am getting sick of hearing his name TBH. Great player but we ain't talking World beater here. IF the rumours of a change in the deal are true then, yes, it's poor on our part but we should not pay over the odds for him IMHO.
Let's hope it's still 'on' but I have my doubts that it is.

I don't think it can even be classed as a rumour when it comes from the player himself!

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Our fans seem to have completely forgotten what happened last time we were up here but thankfully it seems the board, for a change, aren't being so short-termist.

Last time we were up here the only time we ever spent any money was under Coppell with the poor signings of David James, Damion Stewart and Nicky Hunt. Aside from that we never really spent anything in this league. What we did do was amass a huge playing squad that was well in excess of 30 players. This is why our wage budget was so strained. We have a very small squad compared to that now, so spending a bit extra on Lee Tomlin who we know first hand fits in here and has undoubted quality is not going to harm us financially.

18k a week on Gary O'Neil however doesn't help and is the type of deal that could potentially bite us on the ass.

 

[CharlieAdamno1Fan]

McInnes spent a lot

O'Neil come in as a tutor

 

[CharlieAdamno1Fan]

Looking at the market this morning for 4 million you can buy Charlie Adam and Zabelata obviously wages will be a problem but they are worth breaking the bank for

 

[Walkley_Owl]

 

[CharlieAdamno1Fan]

Getting a bit strange now Stalkey

 

[Ciderup]

I don't think it can even be classed as a rumour when it comes from the player himself!

I appreciate that bud, just trying to give the club the benefit of the doubt. That said, it doesn't sound good.
What bothers me, if it is true, is that we've been here before and seemingly not learnt from our mistakes.

 

[Walkley_Owl]

Getting a bit strange now Stalkey

I think you've always been a bit strange fella TBH.

 

[Ciderup]

Looking at the market this morning for 4 million you can buy Charlie Adam and Zabelata obviously wages will be a problem but they are worth breaking the bank for

Zabelata of Man City? £70K a week minimum? Yeah right!

 

[CharlieAdamno1Fan]

Zabelata of Man City? £70K a week minimum? Yeah right!

Yeah I be calling for Ibrahimovic next

 

[City169]

Eh?

Mark Ashton was brought in as a consultant for the summer of 2014

 

[CharlieAdamno1Fan]

Mark Ashton was brought in as a consultant for the summer of 2014

Though Cotterell claimed it was down to his agent contacts.

A lot of shit comes out of Ashton Gate

 

[Super_horns]

I am surprised Mark Ashton isn't keen to throw money around - he was when with us...

Sadly most of is was wasted which is maybe why he isn't so willing to splash the case?

 

[hodge]

Yeah I be calling for Ibrahimovic next

Then why mention Zabaleta in the first place? Charlie Adam could conceivably move to a bigger championship club so not unreasonable to name him.

 

[CharlieAdamno1Fan]

Then why mention Zabaleta in the first place? Charlie Adam could conceivably move to a bigger championship club so not unreasonable to name him.

You are clearly after a row, you can't be that stupid

 

[hodge]

Looking at the market this morning for 4 million you can buy Charlie Adam and Zabelata obviously wages will be a problem but they are worth breaking the bank for

No merely wondering why when making this statement you bother to mention Zabaleta in the first place, Tomlin and Canos transfer values top £4m so talking the right ball park for money we're spending, like I said Charlie Adam could conceivably step down a league if no one in the prem takes the punt on him, just don't understand why you'd chuck Zabaleta's name in there.