Catalonia

[Abertawe]

This surely can't sit right with the EU loving liberal types? Polling stations closed down, key figures arrested, internet taken down, buildings seized, communication mediums scrambled and ballot boxes stolen. The EU in 2017, not actually that nice is it?

#StandWithCatalonia

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/914416977715826689

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/914411858639163392

 

[Abertawe]

Some of the scenes teetering out now are really quite disturbing as are the neo-fascist rallies in Madrid supporting the state.

 

[Aber gas]

Unlike Germany which got rid of its fascist civil service and internal structure Spain never did the same after Franco. Some of those old fascist/ monarchist c*** are still knocking about as you can see.
#standwithcatalonia

 

[Luc@]

But Catalonia is not a nation, that's it.

 

[Abertawe]

Good grief. How is this happening in Western Europe and the entirety of the EU remain silent? https://t.co/53ZwM28q5O

The Catalonian people are reliant on their firefighters to keep them safe from police violence, what kind of shitness is this?

 

[Aber gas]

Firefighters are the fucking best people around. Shame on the EU.

 

[Abertawe]

Firefighters are the fucking best people around. Shame on the EU.

What do you do if firefighters prevent you from battering people trying to vote for their freedom? Attack the firefighters ofc https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/914478175580717057

 

[Aber gas]

A

What do you do if firefighters prevent you from battering people trying to vote for their freedom? Attack the firefighters ofc https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/914478175580717057

always and forever ACAB

 

[Jockney]

Public sector workers organising to non-violently protect people from state-ordered police violence. Seeing these aporias open up in real time gives a sense of the alternatives that are possible even now.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Good grief. How is this happening in Western Europe and the entirety of the EU remain silent? https://t.co/53ZwM28q5O

The Catalonian people are reliant on their firefighters to keep them safe from police violence, what kind of shitness is this?

Didn't know Mick Jagger was a Spanish fireman.

 

[Laker]

So the equivalent of this was the Scottish referendum I guess. For all of the perceived negatives of the U.K., the country's police were never instructed to beat its own people to influence the vote.

 

[Aber gas]

Nope, can't ever think of an occasion where British police have ever tried to beat people into submission. Not once, ever

 

[Laker]

Nope, can't ever think of an occasion where British police have ever tried to beat people into submission. Not once, ever

My post was meant in the context of the Scottish referendum but please feel free to twist it if you wish!

 

[Aber gas]

My post was meant in the context of the Scottish referendum but please feel free to twist it if you wish!

Fucking reet low bar you've got though innit mate. Police didn't beat folk during the Scottish referendum, hence they are good. Christ

 

[Laker]

Fucking reet low bar you've got though innit mate. Police didn't beat folk during the Scottish referendum, hence they are good. Christ

Oh don't be facetious, you're a better poster than that. My post was meant entirely innocently and was not one to attack me on.

I also didn't say the police in our country were good, you're trying to plant words on me now.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Not really sure how it's the EU's fault? Don't think anyone's under any illusions that not all EU member states are nice and fluffy / won't try to subvert democracy / resort to violence and intimidation. Hungary have Victor Orban at the helm ffs!

 

[Jockney]

My post was meant in the context of the Scottish referendum but please feel free to twist it if you wish!

Seems probable if the UK government had not conferred political legitimacy, indyref would have been met with similar aggression. States not historically kind to autonomous secessionist movements

 

[AFCB_Mark]

All this response does is further the cause for separation, gaining that cause more support and legitimacy.

 

[Aber gas]

Not really sure how it's the EU's fault? Don't think anyone's under any illusions that not all EU member states are nice and fluffy / won't try to subvert democracy / resort to violence and intimidation. Hungary have Victor Orban at the helm ffs!

They're silent on a state brutally denying its citizens autonomy. It's fair enough to bring them into it.

 

[Benji]

The Abertawe doublethink: The EU shouldn't interfere with sovereign states and the EU should interfere with sovereign states.

 

[Aber gas]

Idk, I'm kinda simple and don't have exhaustive knowledge of the the EU but this just seems like the sort of thing they should condemning

 

[Benji]

Probably, I don't know either. I'm just accusing Abertawe of having inconsistent arguments against the EU.

 

[Abertawe]

Probably, I don't know either. I'm just accusing Abertawe of having inconsistent arguments against the EU.

Without foundation but hey when did that ever stop Benny boy.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Idk, I'm kinda simple and don't have exhaustive knowledge of the the EU but this just seems like the sort of thing they should condemning

The EU do have at least one - two articles that explicitly relate to the use of force against civilians.

Far be it for me to do the EU a due, and I'm all for them leaving 'sovereign state' issues to be handled internally, but this is exactly the sort of thing they can and should take some leadership on and mediate. If the UK with Scotland desended into this I'd expect some justified outside intervention.

I'll await the EU reaction with interest. So far all I've seen is a total non response from Verhofstadt.

 

[Aber gas]

I've seen more and more of the fascist state violence. The EU needs to intervene or really what's the point?

 

[SkyBluesRose]

Reminds me of what happened in Spain and Catalonia during the 30s.

 

[silkyman]

The EU do have at least one - two articles that explicitly relate to the use of force against civilians.

Far be it for me to do the EU a due, and I'm all for them leaving 'sovereign state' issues to be handled internally, but this is exactly the sort of thing they can and should take some leadership on and mediate. If the UK with Scotland desended into this I'd expect some justified outside intervention.

I'll await the EU reaction with interest. So far all I've seen is a total non response from Verhofstadt.

He condemned it hours ago.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/914524846670958600

 

[Abertawe]

LOL

 

[Laker]

LOL

Yep, it's not exactly a strong condemnation. I think the EU is confusing its position on independence (Kurdistan etc) with the fact it should be representing all of its people.

 

[Abertawe]

Great lad is Nige. National hero.