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Conference average salary?

BeesKnees

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I'd be interested to know what people think as I see a lot of figures bandied about.

In 2013 a TSF blog said it was £540pw. Has it changed much in 2 seasons?

A recent newspaper said the average league two salary was £800pw. Although how skewed that is by the likes of Pompey still paying Nicky Shorey £8k pw I don't know.

Considering we know that all our players had relegation clauses that reduced their wages by 20% and 80% of £800 is £640 then this seems to suggest full time players are around the £600-£700 mark, so part-time must be under £400pw. I also read a newspaper about 9 months ago claiming Akinde was on less a year than the average premiership player gets per week (£43,000) when comparing the top and bottom pay of professional players which means he earns less than £800pw.

So what do you think the average part-time \ full-time conference player earns?
 
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I would guess 700-900 for the top players with the bigger sides, whilst I would put the majority of players on something around 600. I'd say 350-450 for the part-timers. Just a guess, nothing concrete, though I'm going on some rumours I had heard in the past.
 

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I recall Chris Hargreaves saying that Torquay players earn £375 a week on average. He said they would never win the league on those wages which suggests over clubs are paying far higher than this. I would think around £600 - £650 would be the average.

Here's the article I'm referencing http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32018669
 

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Take away Eastleigh, FGR and the part-time tinpot relegation fodder from the totals and you would probably be looking at about £700 a week I think.
 

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Still not a bad wage to play the game you love. I didn't think League Two wages would be much higher than Conference wages, some may even pay less as players regularly drop into the Conference for the extra money.
 

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I recall Chris Hargreaves saying that Torquay players earn £375 a week on average. He said they would never win the league on those wages which suggests over clubs are paying far higher than this. I would think around £600 - £650 would be the average.

Here's the article I'm referencing http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32018669

Nah, that was completely skewed up. We had 3/4 non-contract players at the time, who weren't on much at all. And a youth team left back, so half the squad were probably on under £100 a week.

My guess would be that the average for this level is around the £600 mark, lifted by the likes of FGR and Eastleigh, but teams like Alfreton and Welling I don't think would pay much more than that sort of figure.
 

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People in the know say Jason Walker at Barrow is on £1,000 per week, and that was part-time in Conference North and also included his work as a youth coach and in the community.
Also heard that Notts County came in for Andy Cook and were put off by his wages. Obviously neither can be confirmed, but I'd say we're looking at over a grand for most of the starting XI this season coming.
Of course, location means that we seemingly have to offer a little more.
 

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I know for a fact that Peter Winn at Chester is on £300 p/w.
 

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We're one of the clubs in between part time and full time.
 

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Our average is around £450-£550 I imagine.
 

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The new players we picked up this season were on £700 so I'm told but the players already at the club were probs on much more
 

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Difficult to compare between clubs and a league average really as some clubs have 52 week contracts and others 44. We may well have paid more per week to make up for the fact we wont be paying them for May and June to help cash flow.
 

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Pat time clubs on 300-400 quid a week i doubt it as thats a full time wage. Surely its more 150-200 a week for a part time player especially for clubs like welling
 

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Part time clubs on 300-400 quid a week i doubt it as thats a full time wage. Surely its more 150-200 a week for a part time player especially for clubs like welling
A full time wage for some yes, for others no. Also many part-time players don't have second jobs which suggests they receive sufficient wage to live on ( just not as much as a full time player). I'm sure you're right that at the bottom end it's 150-200 (which is £7000pa due to part time contracts not being 52 weeks).

It seems most agree that the average full time salary is probably £30,000 - £35,000 pa so to suggest part-time players in the same league get around £15,000 seems reasonable to me.
 

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The thing with average salaries is that they are then used & banded about incorrectly.
Trying to work out "average wages" and then stating that's what most players earn is pointless really, when you consider that most clubs at this level will tell you they have small squads, but in reality they are paying a few youth players £100 a week to top up their squads.
So when trying to look at an average, clubs at this level may well have 1 or 2 players earning over £1k a week, but given you might have 3 youth players earning less than £100 a week, it brings those higher salaries right down, and isn't really therefore a true reflection of what the average player earns at this level, because those youth players who are included in the making the average calculation what it is, will never play a first team game, so should be discounted.
I know at EFC our reserve keeper is always a youth keeper who earns no more than £100, and having 3 lads like that in the squad means that we can afford to pay the likes of Constable what he earns & just really only have a true 16 man first team squad, because if you average what our no.2 keeper and Constable earn, then its only £750, which wouldn't be seen as overly excessive, given we are going for promotion.
I would say that something around 600-700 a week is about right for this level as a true salary level for players who feature regularly for their respective first teams. But even then, your attacking players, will always earn a lot more than your defenders etc, so averages don't work as a salary estimate/guideline for all Conf Prem players. Equally, as in the business world, i'm sure the salaries of those in the south are somewhat higher than those of its northern counterparts.
 

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The thing with average salaries is that they are then used & banded about incorrectly.
Trying to work out "average wages" and then stating that's what most players earn is pointless really, when you consider that most clubs at this level will tell you they have small squads, but in reality they are paying a few youth players £100 a week to top up their squads.
So when trying to look at an average, clubs at this level may well have 1 or 2 players earning over £1k a week, but given you might have 3 youth players earning less than £100 a week, it brings those higher salaries right down, and isn't really therefore a true reflection of what the average player earns at this level, because those youth players who are included in the making the average calculation what it is, will never play a first team game, so should be discounted.
I know at EFC our reserve keeper is always a youth keeper who earns no more than £100, and having 3 lads like that in the squad means that we can afford to pay the likes of Constable what he earns & just really only have a true 16 man first team squad, because if you average what our no.2 keeper and Constable earn, then its only £750, which wouldn't be seen as overly excessive, given we are going for promotion.
I would say that something around 600-700 a week is about right for this level as a true salary level for players who feature regularly for their respective first teams. But even then, your attacking players, will always earn a lot more than your defenders etc, so averages don't work as a salary estimate/guideline for all Conf Prem players. Equally, as in the business world, i'm sure the salaries of those in the south are somewhat higher than those of its northern counterparts.

Congratulations. You've made whole argument of how the average is pointless and not a true reflection. Then you've stated how a figure that's basically your average is about what players earn :ffs:
 

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Come off it Southern Shayman. He's just an old person using the internet.

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Congratulations. You've made whole argument of how the average is pointless and not a true reflection. Then you've stated how a figure that's basically your average is about what players earn :ffs:

If you were clever enough to understand what i wrote - you would see that what i was saying was that its no good saying the average salary for a Conf Prem player is XXX because the assumption is then that you believe that all players earn that, and that will not be the case at all.

Said another way:-
10% of players earn £xxxxx, 20% earn £xxxx, 40% earn £xxx, 20% earn £xx & the remaining 10% earn £x.
But what happens when you quote averages is that if you start talking to a Conf Prem player in the pub, you will make an incorrect assumption that he will be earning £xxx, when it will be more probable that he does not, as my example above proves.
 

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And there was me thinking that an average is always the same as the values it is averaging.

In other news, rain is wet.
 

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If you were clever enough to understand what i wrote - you would see that what i was saying was that its no good saying the average salary for a Conf Prem player is XXX because the assumption is then that you believe that all players earn that, and that will not be the case at all.

Said another way:-
10% of players earn £xxxxx, 20% earn £xxxx, 40% earn £xxx, 20% earn £xx & the remaining 10% earn £x.
But what happens when you quote averages is that if you start talking to a Conf Prem player in the pub, you will make an incorrect assumption that he will be earning £xxx, when it will be more probable that he does not, as my example above proves.
Of course it fucking isn't, because that's an average. :lol:
 

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If you were clever enough to understand what i wrote - you would see that what i was saying was that its no good saying the average salary for a Conf Prem player is XXX because the assumption is then that you believe that all players earn that, and that will not be the case at all.

Said another way:-
10% of players earn £xxxxx, 20% earn £xxxx, 40% earn £xxx, 20% earn £xx & the remaining 10% earn £x.
But what happens when you quote averages is that if you start talking to a Conf Prem player in the pub, you will make an incorrect assumption that he will be earning £xxx, when it will be more probable that he does not, as my example above proves.

Christ. Well obviously that's the case if you use a mean. But it gives the best representation as the contradictory second half of your post pointed out. Everyone here appreciates that no one conference player probably earns the exact mean... it's an INDICATOR - we're not hunting for people's pay slips.

But seen as median is also an average, that might give you a clue as well. If you're clever enough to know that there are different types of averages...
 

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Irrelevant imo
Most don't earn the average. Yep, it's an average.

Youth players earn much less. Yep, but it doesn't change the average for a full time player.
 

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Anyone thinking that all players earn the average salary does not know what average means in the case we are discussing here.
 

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When I hear the words 'average pay' I always assume we're talking about sides like Wrexham, Lincoln, Grimsby, Torquay etc.I also consider part-timers like Chester and Halifax, but I do tend to disregard the high wages at a side like Eastleigh for instance, and the low paying clubs at the other end of the scale, the relegation fodder ones that MD referred to above in his post.

Yes I know, a player at Eastleigh and a player at, say, Welling is also a conference player, but I don't think the pay those players get is a fair reflection of what the majority of players get, and therefore not a 'true' average if you know what I mean.
 

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Don't forget some average salaries also include some 'vision' which can skew the numbers considerably. Some youth players get less 'vision' than others though who receive a lot of 'vision'. Oh no, now i'm talking about the "Conference Average Vision", do I need to start a separate thread for this?
 

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Good one Boss :lol:
 

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To get an accurate picture of the spread of salaries at this level, you need to calculate the standard deviation as well...
 

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