Coutinho or Hazard?

[Stevencc]

Well, let's see what the people reckon.

 

[JJH]

Why're you comparing a winger with a midfielder Pagnell?

 

[Pagnell]

Why're you comparing a winger with a midfielder Pagnell?

Both have played on the wing and both as attacking midfielders. One more than the other perhaps but its hardly a stupid comparison.

 

[Stevencc]

Sorry JJ, Pagnell is right - they've both played as 10s and as wide attacking midfielders/wingers.

 

[T.A]

What about Mane?

 

[G.B]

gouffran imo

 

[G-Dragon]

gouffran imo

Go back to the shit hole part of the forum.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Go back to the shit hole part of the forum.

He's already in it.

 

[Leo]

Based soley on the tv games that I've seen...Coutinho.

 

[Stevencc]

Based soley on the tv games that I've seen...Coutinho.

I take it you've never seen Hazard play, Leo?

 

[Pagnell]

I take it you've never seen Hazard play, Leo?

Or he's seen both on TV this season and finds Coutinho to have been the more impressive.

 

[Leo]

I take it you've never seen Hazard play, Leo?

Yep.....part of the game yesterday & the game last weekend...think it was Southampton.

meant to add....above isn't the only two times I have seen him.....

 

[Stevencc]

Or he's seen both on TV this season and finds Coutinho to have been the more impressive.

That crossed my mind but I've seen Leo post a few times and he doesn't seem to be a) blind, b) completely stupid or c) a Liverpool fan (partially covered by b) so I had to consider other options.

 

[Pagnell]

Ah, I get it now. If his view on Coutinho and Hazard doesn't match your own something must clearly be up.

 

[Stevencc]

In this case, absolutely.

(See, it's not nice when someone goes around trying to shut down debate, is it!?)

 

[Leo]

That crossed my mind but I've seen Leo post a few times and he doesn't seem to be a) blind, b) completely stupid or c) a Liverpool fan (partially covered by b) so I had to consider other options.

....what other options crossed your mind mate ?

BTW....totally sane....

 

[Stevencc]

....what other options crossed your mind mate ?

BTW....totally sane....

Perhaps you could be suffering from the same eye condition that Johnnytodd is mate! Except instead of causing you to overrate Everton players it causes you to overrate Liverpool ones!

 

[Leo]

Perhaps you could be suffering from the same eye condition that Johnnytodd is mate! Except instead of causing you to overrate Everton players it causes you to overrate Liverpool ones!

No favour given to anyone mate...totally impartial me......

 

[Pagnell]

Has someone got Coutinho and Hazard's comparative stats this season?

 

[Stevencc]

Hazard...

Coutinho...

 

[Pagnell]

That's before today's game so another goal and assist to add for Coutinho but very little between them as I suspected. I genuinely don't get how you can make out someone preferring Coutinho is idiotic.

 

[G-Dragon]

Now comparing Pooba with Coutinho and Hazard would be idiotic

 

[Stevencc]

That's before today's game so another goal and assist to add for Coutinho but very little between them as I suspected. I genuinely don't get how you can make out someone preferring Coutinho is idiotic.

Preferring one or the other is not idiotic as that's a matter of which style of player you like better. Stats don't come into that. A lot of the actual stats, though, are pretty close but that isn't all there is to it. Hazard's dribbling for example is ridiculously good, as is his balance. Those qualities don't lend themselves particularly well to a statistical analysis. Coutinho is improving all the time but he's got a way to go before he is on Hazard's level - in my opinion. I doubt we've seen the best of Hazard this season yet, either, he's only just started to flourish under Conte and seems to be getting better every week - Coutinho has had the benefits of working with Klopp for a lot longer and is, along with Liverpool, reaping the benefits of that.

G-Dragon just called Pogba 'Pooba', I'm not sure I should bother debating with him at this point.

 

[Leo]

Preferring one or the other is not idiotic as that's a matter of which style of player you like better. Stats don't come into that. A lot of the actual stats, though, are pretty close but that isn't all there is to it. Hazard's dribbling for example is ridiculously good, as is his balance. Those qualities don't lend themselves particularly well to a statistical analysis. Coutinho is improving all the time but he's got a way to go before he is on Hazard's level - in my opinion. I doubt we've seen the best of Hazard this season yet, either, he's only just started to flourish under Conte and seems to be getting better every week - Coutinho has had the benefits of working with Klopp for a lot longer and is, along with Liverpool, reaping the benefits of that.

G-Dragon just called Pogba 'Pooba', I'm not sure I should bother debating with him at this point.

As you say Steven, it is down to opinion & from what I have seen so far Coutinho is my pick to date. Over a season it may/may not change.

 

[Son of Cod]

The contrast between 15/16 Hazard and Euro 2016-now Hazard is quite staggering. Can we lay all the blame of that on Mourinho? I'm not sure, really. Hazard had major Torresesque problems last season, which I'd be somewhat concerned about if I was a Chelsea fan. However, even considering that I think Hazard is a better player and will continue to be better. I'm more onboard with Coutinho than I was in the Barkley thread, though.

 

[Christian Slater]

I'd say Hazard and De Bruyne would be a better comparison. Coutinho is good but he's behind those two.

 

[Pagnell]

There are obviously good reasons to choose Hazard over Coutinho. However, I get the distinct impression that for some it doesn't matter what the Brazilian does they won't rate him. He's arguably been the best player in the league this season.

 

[Christian Slater]

Ah, I get it now. If his view on Coutinho and Hazard doesn't match your own something must clearly be up.

There are obviously good reasons to choose Hazard over Coutinho. However, I get the distinct impression that for some it doesn't matter what the Brazilian does they won't rate him. He's arguably been the best player in the league this season.

 

[Pagnell]

That makes no sense at all. I've even said I'd likely choose Hazard myself for raw talent at the moment. I'm referring to lack of appreciation for Coutinho no matter what he does for some people.

 

[Christian Slater]

That makes no sense at all. I've even said I'd likely choose Hazard myself for raw talent at the moment. I'm referring to lack of appreciation for Coutinho no matter what he does for some people.

You're suggesting something is up because some people aren't raving about Coutinho. It's the same notion, you just tried to tiptoe around it. Unsuccessful.