End of the Bosman ruling?

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Having watched the fairly dull nil-nil draw, and seen England pipped for top place in the opening group, I'm going to risk controversy by asking if I'm the only England fan who thinks the team's performance is suffering due to the now quite limited pool of eligible players who are regularly playing in the Premiership?

Twenty years ago, in 1995, a European court imposed a new law that caused a revolution in football. Previously, clubs were limited in the number of foreign players they could sign, but the so-called 'Bosman ruling' created a free-for-all, by banning the F.A. and the Football League from restricting the number of foreigners who play in the leagues. This has meant fewer and fewer home-born players playing in the English and Scottish leagues, so the prospects for the national teams get worse and worse.

Bosman was a foreign player, who wanted to move from a Belgian club to a French one: so it had absolutely nothing to do with British football.

By ruling the old transfer system illegal, the European court granted footballers freedom of movement.The players naturally went where the money was. Medium-sized clubs could no longer afford to keep their best players, and so the talent began an inexorable flow into the hands of the two or three biggest clubs. Foreign players began to be preferred over British ones, and the game began a long trek towards a state where the National teams had a smaller and smaller pool of players to draw on who were experienced at the top level.

My impression is no one who supports any of the other 89 clubs in the professional leagues wants to continue with a system that gives three or four big-money clubs a financial stranglehold on the English game. In Scotland the position is even worse, with their league traditionally in the financial grip of only two clubs.

This week the opportunity has come up to take back control of our own leagues, and shake off the shackles of the Bosman ruling. We would be free to run our game ourselves, in whatever manner we wish, without the interference of foreign courts, and improve the prospects of the national team, if we vote to leave the EU. Quite a thought!
 

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England just aren't very good, the Bosman ruling has nothing to do with that. You could argue free movement of EU players takes jobs from (not as good) English players, but it doesn't change the fact those players aren't as good.
 

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Isn't the point that the number of English players in the Premiership has fallen so greatly that not enough English players are able to gain experience at the top level any more. Our team could select from a larger pool of English talent if more home players were able to gain by playing regularly in the Premiership. You can't really argue that players can get better through playing in the lower leagues.

Surely there needs to be a limit on the number of foreigners each club can play in a match. But we can't impose such a limit while the Bosman ruling exists.
 
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Yup. I agree. Jamie Vardy, Dele Alli and Adam Lallana are where they are today due to a long and illustrious premier league career.

I accept also that all the youngsters at mega rich clubs like Chelsea etc would be in the first team if the likes of Chelsea were not abusing the Bosman system.

I also agree that the Premier League are waiting for EU law to change so that they can limit the number of foreigners/ big name signings so the Premier League brand will diminish.

And finally, I absolutely agree that we should ignore all arguments (from reputable sources) regarding the upcoming referendum and base a decision on flawed logic regarding football.

Edit: also if the number of foreign players was decreased this would obviously decrease the quality of the league and I refer you back to your original point about lower league football.
 
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That's ten players that have either a) Found their careers outside of a top flight club, b) spent their most important years playing regularly outside of a top flight club.

The other 12 regularly play(ed) week in week out at a young age for a top flight club.

It's a void argument.
 

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no, it wouldnt explain it.

take us for example, we dont have any rules on, you could have here 11 players from Japan or Russia or Argentina and so on in the starting eleven who had never represented their country at senior level
 

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