FA Cup 1st Round

[rudebwoyben]

For one, Kiddy are not an ex-League club, they are a National League club who have had one spell of four years in the Football League. You can't group a disparate group of clubs who have been relegated from the league and say that they had the same advantages or disadvantages as each other.

 

[Luke Imp]

So maybe you can explain why there is a division full of ex football league clubs at this level, who all came down and had top 3 budgets, but very few of them have ever gone back up. Only Bristol Rovers, have gone straight back up. The likes of Tranmere & Cheltenham remain to be seen if they do or not this season, but Luton, Wrexham, Oxford, Grimsby, Mansfield, Kidderminster, Macclesfield, Torquay, Aldershot to name a few, are all either still down here, or spent a few years trying to get back up with big budgets. And if they haven't made it back up, will have had their budgets cut year on year.
That's why it means very little. Of course a big budget should help, but it certainly doesn't always, and the clubs i have just mentioned are all testament to that.
People keep on about Eastleigh will go pop if the owner walks. BUT WE WERE ONLY 1 LEVEL BELOW FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE HE CAME ALONG. And the Conf South, would be fine if that's where we end up again one day in the future. It makes me laugh everytime when people like you get all red faced and hope Eastleigh will go back to where they came from - yeh 1 level below - Whilst your own club has probably dropped at least 2 divisions...no wonder you are red faced and jealous of The Vision..Our natural level is here, your natural level is all rather embarrassing to your history and you are a part of that.

It's more difficult to go back up with a decent budget than it is to come up and then be successful with a decent budget. There's far more to it than 'relegated clubs have had decent budgets and haven't gone back up yet'.

 

[Pablosammy]

Our natural level is here, your natural level is all rather embarrassing to your history and you are a part of that.

I don't even know what that means.

 

[EnglishRed]

Where was i "blaming" fans for anything?

Maybe I read more into your comment that fans are part of their clubs recent embarrassing history than you intended. I didn't completely follow the point you were making there either.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

"It's more difficult to go back up with a decent budget than it is to come up and then be successful with a decent budget. There's far more to it than 'relegated clubs have had decent budgets and haven't gone back up yet'"

There is an element to that statement that i agree with, but i partly disagree too.
The only reason you could argue that its more difficult to go back up with a decent budget is, because teams who have been relegated into this division, tend to keep the large majority of their squad together for the attempt to go straight back up. So these players, who despite being deemed as L2 standard only a few months prior to relegation are now severely demotivated and lack confidence and are use to losing games week in week out & lets face it, most of them are dreading having to play the non league game, their ego's cant deal with it. Its very difficult for players to get out of that mindset. Whereas, teams who come up, keep the majority of their squads consisting of Conf South/North standard players who are by now used to winning week in week out, so confidence is high and they are looking forward to proving themselves at the higher level. When we came up, we only actually released 1 player & had another 2 leave of their own accord. The teams who have come up will generally have players who will be on far less wages than the teams who have kept players from L2, so that's why the relegated teams budget is always likely to be higher and that's why i said budgets mean very little. On paper at least, the players coming down, should still be far better than those who have come up, but they lack motivation, despite taking a decent wage. I would far rather have a team of hungry motivated players, than a failed team of players who think they are too good for this level.
And that is the real reason teams struggle when they are relegated, despite having decent budgets..
To use a boxing analogy & apply it in a footballing sense - A good upcoming team, will always beat a team who hangs around in the weight division for too long & is on a downward career path...

 

[EnglishRed]

Most teams relegated from L2 scrap a lot of their squads don't they? Largely for the reasons you give. Cheltenham and Tranmere seem to have completely rebuilt as did Brizzle Rovers last season.

We brought in Jefferson Louis for our first season after relegation. Non league royalty.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

I don't think they scrap the majority of their players. Sure a few will go, but that just means the better ones go (as they find alternative L2 clubs), so you are left with over paid players who lack motivation, who have now lost their star men....Its easy to see why it doesn't work out the following season/s.

JL is on about his 30th club isn't he..he played for us once too..

 

[Luke Imp]

Yes J'Lo! And Richard Paquette.

Now we have to make do with Rhead and Hearn.

 

[Luke Imp]

"It's more difficult to go back up with a decent budget than it is to come up and then be successful with a decent budget. There's far more to it than 'relegated clubs have had decent budgets and haven't gone back up yet'"

There is an element to that statement that i agree with, but i partly disagree too.
The only reason you could argue that its more difficult to go back up with a decent budget is, because teams who have been relegated into this division, tend to keep the large majority of their squad together for the attempt to go straight back up. So these players, who despite being deemed as L2 standard only a few months prior to relegation are now severely demotivated and lack confidence and are use to losing games week in week out & lets face it, most of them are dreading having to play the non league game, their ego's cant deal with it. Its very difficult for players to get out of that mindset. Whereas, teams who come up, keep the majority of their squads consisting of Conf South/North standard players who are by now used to winning week in week out, so confidence is high and they are looking forward to proving themselves at the higher level. When we came up, we only actually released 1 player & had another 2 leave of their own accord. The teams who have come up will generally have players who will be on far less wages than the teams who have kept players from L2, so that's why the relegated teams budget is always likely to be higher and that's why i said budgets mean very little. On paper at least, the players coming down, should still be far better than those who have come up, but they lack motivation, despite taking a decent wage. I would far rather have a team of hungry motivated players, than a failed team of players who think they are too good for this level.
And that is the real reason teams struggle when they are relegated, despite having decent budgets..
To use a boxing analogy & apply it in a footballing sense - A good upcoming team, will always beat a team who hangs around in the weight division for too long & is on a downward career path...

I've read that, and you've basically just said what I did in many more words?

What are you disagreeing with?

 

[Son of Cod]

Eastleigh's budget was 400k shortly after the January 2012 transfer window, a season and a half before they were promoted from The Conference South. Their chairman pretty much said that in a fans forum at the time. I don't believe Donald has made it overly clear what any budget alterations have been in any subsequent interviews or statements, certainly not ones I have read at least. However, it's obvious that it is substantially bigger than that now.

 

[rudebwoyben]

The reason why some clubs relegated from the Football League find it difficult to adapt to National League life has a lot to do with the massive reductions in budgets caused by the massive differences in funds that clubs receive from their respective leagues, which is at least £0.5m. An amount not to be disregarded at this level.

 

[GEORGE]

I don't think they scrap the majority of their players. Sure a few will go, but that just means the better ones go (as they find alternative L2 clubs), so you are left with over paid players who lack motivation, who have now lost their star men....Its easy to see why it doesn't work out the following season/s.

JL is on about his 30th club isn't he..he played for us once too..

Well we did.As you had previously stated we got rid of players who were thinking they were " the big billy bollox" and others who had simply given up and let the team down. We brought in players that were already in Non league and hopefully had the determination to succeed.
We were very lucky that most worked out. And extremely lucky we signed a guy called Stuart Sinclair.The rest is history.

 

[Forza Imps]

Well this thread has gone totally off topic thanks to the hilarious Eastleigh-Tranmere rivalry.

FA have just confirmed ours and other games to be 2pm Sunday kick offs, some will be on the BBC's single-camera live goals show (think the BT Sport Champions League thing I guess), others will be broadcast internationally (which you can probably find somewhere dodgy).

http://www.thefa.com/news/the-fa-cup/2015/oct/first-round-highlights-overseas-single-camera-291015

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

Not sure what Tranmere have to do with anything?
All of my comments were replies to a Wrexham & a Lincoln fan respectively.
I don't take any notice of the Tranmere fans anymore, they just whinge & complain & make stuff up because they get beat by everyone these days & they cant adapt to this league.

 

[Pablosammy]

... because they get beat by everyone these days & they cant adapt to this league...

Which is why we're currently 5 places above you...

 

[1884 Belmont]

Not sure what Tranmere have to do with anything?
All of my comments were replies to a Wrexham & a Lincoln fan respectively.
I don't take any notice of the Tranmere fans anymore, they just whinge & complain & make stuff up because they get beat by everyone these days & they cant adapt to this league.

It's a rivalry in the same way a stalker is in a relationship with someone.

 

[1884 Belmont]

The reason why some clubs relegated from the Football League find it difficult to adapt to National League life has a lot to do with the massive reductions in budgets caused by the massive differences in funds that clubs receive from their respective leagues, which is at least £0.5m. An amount not to be disregarded at this level.

This is a massive thing. We were already operating on a budget below half the Conference when we were in L2 and barely scraped £1m in L1. Our budget has actually gone up this year for the following reasons:
1) Proper off-field financial management (we were only spending 40% of turnover on wages - the rest went on loans, etc).
2) Selling an old training field for close to £6m.
3) Higher than expected ST sales/attendances (they've gone up, but we budgeted for 30% drop)
4) Massive increase in non-matchday commercial activity
5) Just received a 6 figure fee from Wigan for Max Power ( rumoured to be 300k-500k).

So we can afford what we are spending, but you would imagine it will go down a lot if we don't get up this year, since we would probably lose ST sales, we do lose parachute payments and our sponsorships are up for renewal (and you would imagine they would go down in value if we are still out of the league).

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

Which is why we're currently 5 places above you...

I made no reference to your current league position...
I was insinuating that you keep getting beat and then whinge like mad about it for 2 weeks, as you don't like to accept that you get beat by better teams.
You should be used to it by now, as that's why you were relegated after all.

 

[1884 Belmont]

I made no reference to your current league position...
I was insinuating that you keep getting beat and then whinge like mad about it for 2 weeks, as you don't like to accept that you get beat by better teams.
You should be used to it by now, as that's why you were relegated after all.

'Keep' getting beat, hey?:
Tranmere 4 losses, 17 goals against, 30 Points
Eastleigh 5 losses, 24 goals against, 28 points.

Considering we've only lost one less than you and you have already lost a manager, doesn't that suggest it is in fact Eastleigh who were 'whinging' about losing? We've lost less, conceded less, scored more, have a better goal difference and more points. Yes, you scraped a win against a side that finished with 9 men because you kicked the crap out of everyone and then continued to brag about it for ever more.

You know nothing of why we were relegated other than the obvious, we lost a lot of games. You also know nothing about competing in the National League considering you've been here once and waved the white flag when you did reach the playoffs last time. Your constant sniping at Tranmere fans is pathetic and I doubt anyone gives a toss about Eastleigh. Our only rivals in this league are Wrexham and Chester, with the obvious local games against Southport and Altrincham providing a bit of local interest. You're not even our most embarrassing or comprehensive defeat this season ( See Boreham Wood for that).

You're literally just another side. Nothing special whatsoever.

 

[CrazyImp]

What a garbage thread this has turned into. Eastleigh Fan begging for attention like a cheap hooker, casual homophobia.....some pretty poor stuff.

Think I'll revisit in nine days when next relevant.

 

[Andy Harrier]

I'm not going to pretend to have an intimate knowledge of each club's budget in this league, but to suggest us, Torquay, Aldershot and Macclesfield had top 3 budgets following relegation seems a bit of a stretch to me.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

Current form squire, current form.
Those Tranmere's don't like it up em do they.
No homophobia here pal, although you seem to have chipped in from nowhere when you fancy a bit....

 

[Pablosammy]

Current form squire, current form.
Those Tranmere's don't like it up em do they.
No homophobia here pal, although you seem to have chipped in from nowhere when you fancy a bit....

Oh, you were talking current form. Why didn't you say?! Okay then, let's talk form tables then.

Last 6 games? We're 5 places above you in the form table.

Last 10 games? We're 10 places above you.

Keep digging, bud.

 

[Pablosammy]

Anyway, I just found the 'ignore' option, so as entertaining as this has been, I'm off.

 

[Boz]

Of the players out of contract when we were relegated, 5 were offered new deals and only two Jennings and Hill signed up. We've at most played 5 from last season and the current Rovers line-up bears little resemblance to last years.

As for budgets, our Chairs said we would have a top four budget, but I've no idea what figure that is. Brabin has held off using all the playing budget, so scope for recruiting a couple more in January.

 

[Destruction]

FC United have managed to agree their normal match day price of £9 for the Chesterfield game, well done to them.

 

[B2TF]

In some ways, being seen as a moneybags team actually increases the pressure. Our manager has mentioned it a few times this season, how it motivates other teams and stops our players from getting the credit they deserve.

There isn't a lot in it budget wise amongst the top clubs this season, I'd say the likes of us, Cheltenham, Tranmere, Grimsby and Eastleigh aren't that far apart so it will come down to which team has the best manager, which for me is Cheltenham.

Managers make a far bigger difference at this level then most players do. There are a lot of players in this league who are at a very similar level ability but who earn vastly different amounts depending on how good their agent is, and how lucky they get with which clubs are interested in them.

Load of rubbish, nobody, certainly none of the real clubs, gives a fuck about beating Forest Green or any of the other Tin Pot sides. This is because we feel we ought to be beating that sort of shit anyway, no matter how much money they have behind them. All the money in the world will never make you a REAL football club. Just the way it is.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

Oh, you were talking current form. Why didn't you say?! Okay then, let's talk form tables then.

Last 6 games? We're 5 places above you in the form table.

Last 10 games? We're 10 places above you.

Keep digging, bud.

Being "above Eastleigh in the league" is no measure of how many games you are losing lately and then whinging like babies about the losses.
Maybe you love being bullied by village teams, so you can talk about them every day?
You were the talk our our village green meeting last night.
Embarrassing that your once great club can only cry that they have been bullied by some village thug team. boo-hoo

 

[The_Boss]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

B2TF - 8 years of history, you do not support a REAL club.