Football League proposes new five-league, 100-club system

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The FA statement says that they're adding a group stage to the JPT to make up for the fixture shortage. But if they do that then what does all this change? The whole idea was to reduce the number of fixtures.

Yep, stupid idea. Take away matches that matter and people care about and put in games in a competition with a very low reputation. Just what everyone wants.
 

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Maybe make league cup premier league to league 1 with johnston paints trophy been for league 2 and 3, teams outside of championship rarely get far in league cup. I think the league expansion is great for the pro conference clubs investing a lot of money for promotion and missing out constantly via the play offs. Could be bad news for smaller part time conference clubs. As for premier league b teams, nah. Such teams often play away from the a teams ground and will hinder lower league teams from getting loan players
 

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Fair points made in the above post, but the League Cup has always been an opportunity for a club lower down the league to draw a bigger club and has thrown up just as many shocks as the FA Cup, would be a pity to see the end of that.
 

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I don't see any major pluses to this that would make the upheaval worth it honestly.
 

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Theres a queation re fa cup wonder if teams in the newly expanded football league bottom tier would still enter at round 1
 

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Maybe make league cup premier league to league 1 with johnston paints trophy been for league 2 and 3, teams outside of championship rarely get far in league cup. I think the league expansion is great for the pro conference clubs investing a lot of money for promotion and missing out constantly via the play offs. Could be bad news for smaller part time conference clubs. As for premier league b teams, nah. Such teams often play away from the a teams ground and will hinder lower league teams from getting loan players

I don't like that idea, partially because the league cup is by name the cup for the football league, partially because it's great exposure for clubs when they do get far. Remember Wycombe getting to the quarter finals the other year? (I think it was the quarters). Effects on league cup and FL trophy aren't important here for non-league sides who won't compete in them anyway. What is important is the effect on the FA Cup. I've been thinking for a while that Championship clubs shouldn't get a bye to round 3, and this would be a good time to stop that. Can't be bothered to do the maths on it right now, but I believe that if they came in at 2, and all the other league clubs came in at 1st round proper then you'd still get more non-league sides in the first round proper than you do now.

I actually can't understand why it would be bad news for smaller part-time teams in the conference. If anything, if no restructuring of non-league is done to coincide, then it's actually better for them - lose the big clubs they struggle to compete with and they are bigger clubs in the division. OK they might lose the occasional big away following, but if that's what you're basing your financial planning on then it's not very sustainable to begin with. The fixture might fall on a midweek or be postponed to one cutting out that following.
 

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Theres a queation re fa cup wonder if teams in the newly expanded football league bottom tier would still enter at round 1

I guess there would need to be a bit of rejigging, but presumably having only 40 teams entering the Third Round would need that to happen anyway. I expect that would happen in the qualifying rounds to ensure the right number of teams in each round.
 

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I guess there would need to be a bit of rejigging, but presumably having only 40 teams entering the Third Round would need that to happen anyway. I expect that would happen in the qualifying rounds to ensure the right number of teams in each round.

Actually assuming that no changes are made - Championship and Prem clubs come in at 3rd round proper, and the remaining league clubs (60 instead of the current 48), come in at the first round proper here's what happens to the number on non-league clubs that would need to be in the first round:

3rd round - 40 teams come in instead of 44 - 4 more teams from rd 2 required.
2nd round - no teams come in, 8 more teams from round 1 required due to restructuring
1st round - 12 more teams come in than currently - 16 extra teams are required to feed above, meaning an extra 4 non-league clubs will play in the 1st round proper.

Of course this will play havoc with the non-league seeding and qualification, at least at the bottom end, but it could allow more willing step 6 sides to play in the competition if they so choose. Right now the bottom of the qualification process is a bit of a mess when it's decided who comes in where anyway.

Overall not much effect on the FA Cup actually!
 

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As much as I hate the bottleneck - keep it as it is.
 

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This is the possible way to do it without any B teams:

Would involve the bottom 12 in League Two being relegated though, bottom 8 in L1.

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While that is the simplest way I'd like to see it re-organised such that teams who would be promoted in the current system still go up a division from there at the expense of teams who would have been relegated.

It would clearly be more complicated, but it prevents the whole season from being a rather pointless farce. In League 2 you just need to finish above half way to get as good a result as winning the division and that's just a wrong result IMO.
 

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The whole thing seems a whole lot of hassle for very little gain.

Either way no way this will even get voted through anyway..
 

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The Football League seem to think that because clubs have less games, they will sell more tickets as there will be more games on Saturdays. But there won't be more games on Saturdays, the number will stay the same. It's the number of midweek games that will decrease. So where are clubs supposed to make up for lost games?
 

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Yeah, it's odd, it's not like it's an entirely different set of supporters who do weekends and another lot get the midweek shift.
 

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I'm not totally against this, in fact I think a lot of people are objecting purely for the sake of objecting. But I do have to question the Football League's motives.

And if the Premier League has been consulted, then why hasn't the National League?
 

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Only thing that needs to be done is 3 up 3 down between the Football League & Conference..

This suggested idea would make the 2018-19 season a complete trainwreck of teams spunking stupid money to get promoted from the National league or avoiding demotion from league 1 & 2...that one season would cause more damage than good.
 

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The Football League seem to think that because clubs have less games, they will sell more tickets as there will be more games on Saturdays. But there won't be more games on Saturdays, the number will stay the same. It's the number of midweek games that will decrease. So where are clubs supposed to make up for lost games?
For those currently in the chamionship they lose four of the weaker sides and guaranteeing that you play big sides on a Saturday will compensate for the loss of 4 midweek games. This might be true for the four champ plus 16 league 1 sides making up the second tier and possibly true for the 8 league 1 and 12 league 2 sides.
But in the newly created division and below it is definitely not true. If this was in place today, instead of playing Portsmouth, Oxford and Plymouth we would be playing Forest Green, Dover and Braintree. So not only do you play fewer home games, unless you are in the top divisions you also end up playing poorer supported opposition.
It's this that makes it obvious that the statement wasn't aimed at the likes of us plebs lower down the ladder.
 

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This absolutely does not need to happen. If you want to change anything, introduce 3 up and 3 down as the most logical solution. As usual, no supporters have been consulted with regards to this, and I'm fairly sure I read somewhere briefly that the FL clubs themselves were only made aware of this proposal at lunchtime today.

It doesn't say anything about B teams anywhere, but equally it doesn't not say anything about B teams, which is what we should be worried about.
 

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Posted on league 2 conversation but this is my opinion this stinks, my guess is create the league promise no prem b teams Will be included, promote eight teams from non league and parachute the b teams in as straight replacements. Sell it to the conference as think of the extra money, your teams playing against the stars of the future etc.... Then slowly each B team will get into the league, slowly moving up until they reach the championship if enough of them can keep winning it then won't be allowed promotion and the Prem becomes a closed shop.
 

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For this to come into force it needs 65 of the 72 FL clubs to vote in favour, not a prayer thankfully.
 

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If they want reduced games and increased attendance then they should just regionalise League Two and the Conference together. Direct promotion from Confs N/S.

I don't see a reall need for major changes other than 3 up 3 down, better money and the building of state of the art academies using funding from the FA and the new tv deal. I mean, they want to better the England team, right?
 

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In the National League we have 23 home games a season, which would probably drop to 19 for those teams absorbed into the new league structure. How will clubs make up for the loss in revenue from having fewer home games? Will there be a revised League Cup, maybe with a league structure like the Europa League, in the earlier rounds to give teams a few extra games? Will there be a staggered transition over several seasons or will there be a grand carve up at the end of one season?
I don't think this is anything you'll ever need to concern yourself with. :£:£:£:£
 

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I heard that this would mean that the Premier League TV money will trickle down further, as it only gets spread amongst the Football League. Instead of rearranging whole leagues and creating chaos for a season why don't they just ensure that the money is able to reach lower levels of football? I don't see any reason why this is necessary or beneficial to anybody. Not a chance this will go through - unbelievable to think it's people's jobs to come up with this nonsense.
 

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Here's what officials from our clubs have to say about it:

What the National League clubs say
BBC Sport has contacted the 18 clubs that were neither promoted nor relegated from the top-tier of English non-league football this season about the idea, with the responses ranging from "simply awful" to "long overdue".

However, many of the clubs want to know more before making a decision.

Here are the responses:

Aldershot: Yet to respond.

Barrow: "Simply awful. This is clearly the proposal of someone completely out of touch with grassroots English football and in thrall of the elite clubs. A reduction of potential revenue through less games, a further diminution of the FA Cup to a midweek competition, and absolutely no perceived benefit to any club below the top half of the Championship. I had to check it wasn't 1 April,", said chairman Paul Casson.

Braintree Town: "It introduces another tier between the Premier League and non-league football, effectively relegating all but the eight clubs that are invited to join the re-organised Football League. A better structure would be a reorganised Football League with the existing Championship and League One tiers fed by a League Two North and League Two South," said chairman Lee Harding.

Boreham Wood: No-one available for comment.

Bromley: Yet to respond.

Chester: "Until it is clear how the change in the structure of the Football League will impact upon the ability to generate revenue, i.e. reduced number of home games, potential lack of FA Cup replay revenue, introduction of Premier League B teams, it is not possible to make a decision one way or the other," said chairman Simon Olorenshaw.

Dover Athletic: "It needs careful consideration. We foresee some issues but the devil will be in the detail," said chairman Jim Parmenter.

Eastleigh: No-one available for comment.

Forest Green: "The proposal sounds like a good idea - 20 teams per league, ending Tuesday night games. It makes perfect sense that the top eight teams from our league should be incorporated into the Football League if this goes ahead. In fact, given that below the National League all competitions become regional, the Football League should really think about adopting the National League now. They should also standardise the number of teams that are promoted and relegated between divisions," said chairman Dale Vince.

Gateshead: "Every National League club aspires to be in the Football League, and secondly, football needs to change and it's a good time for us. Everybody needs to understand the detail a bit more, but in principle it's a good idea," said chairman Richard Bennett.

Guiseley: "We need a lot more information about the involvement of Scottish or Premier League clubs in the proposals," said chairman Phil Rogerson.

Lincoln: "From our perspective, we feel it's a positive move by the Football League and is an exciting opportunity for clubs at our level," said manager Danny Cowley.

Macclesfield: Yet to respond.

Southport: "There's been no consultation with the National League board from the Football League. There's a lack of understanding of how the pyramid system will change - what happens to the others when the eight clubs go up?," said a club spokesperson.

Tranmere: No comment to make at this time.

Torquay United: "I believe the lower leagues should be regionalised. Travelling the length of the country, like to Gateshead in front of paltry crowds is farcical," said chairman Dave Phillips.

Woking: "I personally think it is a fantastic proposal and long overdue, I am definitely in favour. The National League standards have been improving year on year, one only has to ask the relegated clubs from League Two how difficult it is to get back where they came from. Furthermore there is, in my opinion, little difference between the two leagues," said Woking football director Geoff Chapple.

Wrexham: No-one available for comment.
 

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Except that none of them will have any influence. It's the Football League clubs that will be voting on this, and I doubt many will back it. It means less home games and a lot of teams will be relegated. What's to like?

Maybe if it was 22 clubs per division and league 3 north and south it would be more attractive. Could then have 4 regional leagues feeding into that.
 

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So in 18-19 only top 8 in this league avoid relegation. Unless the new clubs end up being b teams and Old Firm. In which case practically the whole league could go down.

It will be fun everyone singing "going down" at each other every week for the whole season.
 

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Haha last game of the season 10 points clear at the top of the league singing "We are staying up"
 

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