Gus Poyet Sacked!

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Not surprising...the question is who will they get now?
Apparently they are getting Dick Advocaat.
 

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Thanks for the memories Poyeight.
 

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Poor decision imo. Poyet isn't perfect but he would have kept Sunderland up. Now if Sunderland want more then it's a big risk. Then again maybe a year or two in the second tier will tidy the place nice and proper but I don't think it will.
Still reckon they'll stay up whoever takes charge.
 

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Poor decision imo. Poyet isn't perfect but he would have kept Sunderland up. Now if Sunderland want more then it's a big risk. Then again maybe a year or two in the second tier will tidy the place nice and proper but I don't think it will.
Still reckon they'll stay up whoever takes charge.

4 wins in 29 league games. Sacking a top flight manager with that record will never be a poor decision.
 

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4 wins in 29 league games. Sacking a top flight manager with that record will never be a poor decision.
I'm not sure where to class Poyet in the Premiership bracket. He's a reasonable tactically astute individual but he seems to fall in a certain sense of lethargy when things are going according to plan. Maybe this brings complete and utter complacency within the ranks which has led to this terrible run of form. What is true is that he showed his true colours last season as Sunderland were down and out with a horrid fixture run-in but he still kept them up. Maybe he's a interim kind of guy. Bring him in when the ship is sinking and that the fire needs to be quenched but get rid as soon as the waters are kind.
Has Advocaat even managed a Premiership club before?
 

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Careful what you wish for Sunderland, there's worse managers than Poyet out there.

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At least he didn't get sacked on TV this time
 

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So once again Sunderland's sacking coincides with the derby. They'll raise their game and beat us again and then do enough in the last nine games to stay up. Repeat ad nauseum.

As for you MM, I'm impressed you can still manage to put up a defence for Poyet. He's been clueless all along.
 

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Right decision IMO Burnley would have overtook them if Poyet remained in charge I'd say.
 

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Who could be surprised by Sunderland sacking a manager? Every couple of years another one falls off the merry-go-round, they flirt with relegation, rally, then go again. It seems very much that sacking the manager doesn't work, does it? Perhaps the problem is somewhere else?
 

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As for you MM, I'm impressed you can still manage to put up a defence for Poyet. He's been clueless all along.
So you don't find Poyet keeping Sunderland in the league last season impressive?
 
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Advocaat? Is he still going? Decent manager in his time but seems an odd choice for a replacement.
 

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Right decision IMO Burnley would have overtook them if Poyet remained in charge I'd say.

This. With Poyet goes our last chance of survival. It's been nice knowing you all.
 

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I'm on both sides here. He inherited an awful squad from Di Canio and despite being miles adrift, managed an end of season burst to save them.

The emphasis in the summer should have been on completing revamping the squad as it obviously wasn't good enough last season. Yet the transfers in are completely underwhelming. Jones, Gomez, Buckley, Revellere, Rodwell, Pantillimon, Van Aanholt. It's a very mediocre list. Especially when you consider that they lost Colback, Gardner and Bardsley, three workers who all have proven themselves as steady and reliable lower half Premier League players.

Really, you look at it and I'm not sure Poyet could realistically be doing much better. But then is it his fault that he didn't revamp the squad in the summer? Were funds made available? The answer to this question lies in the fault for me. If there was more available and Poyet chose to stick, I blame him, especially considering he didn't bring another striker in. Fletcher, Wickham and Graham is by far the weakest strike force in the league. Defoe coming in may nick the odd goal but he's a man who thrives off service and I'm not sure Sunderland are particularly providing him. On the flip side, if Poyet's hands were tied, can he really be blamed? I mean, Sunderland have barely troubled the bottom 3 all season and have ground out a lot of results (even if the odd shocker has been thrown in).

Regardless of who Sunderland appoint next, their playing squad needs an immense revamp or this cycle will just continue season after season until they drop. The last time they had any excitement was when Welbeck, Henderson, Bent and Gyan were flying under Bruce but that was a good 4 seasons back. They need some life breathed into them. How uninspiring is a team consisting of Brown, O'Shea, Larsson, Vergini, Fletcher etc.

I kind of hope Burnley pip them to survival as they are at least fearless in their approach.
 

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His relationship with the fans was already strained so after what happened on Saturday he couldn't stay. We have average premier league players and he wanted us to play passing possession football it was always going to end badly, we just can't do that. We need a complete rebuild and going down may not be the worst thing for us.
 

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Dick Advocaat has been everywhere , proper globetrotter
 

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His relationship with the fans was already strained so after what happened on Saturday he couldn't stay. We have average premier league players and he wanted us to play passing possession football it was always going to end badly, we just can't do that. We need a complete rebuild and going down may not be the worst thing for us.

I reckon you're like we were three years ago. Knew we didn't want McCarthy anymore but didn't really know what we did want. Ultimately, we ruined the reputations of three managers.... Will Advocaat be able to shake up the 'average" PL players?
 

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Dick Advocaat?!

His name sounds like a list of things my grandfather used to give me at christmas.
 

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What's the difference? Poyet's win percentage was around 26% and Di Canio's was 23%.
Well the difference is 3 points (and not 3%, that's a statistical misconception).;)

Paolo Di Canio was appointed Sunderland manager on March 31, 2013. At the time Sunderland were in awful form but were still hardly troubled by the relegation zone. Di Canio did have a decent record with Sunderland but the fixture list wasn't exactly daunting. First he had to play at Newcastle, a game Sunderland easily won 3-0. However, this didn't stop Sunderland from heavily losing 1-6 to... Villa. By then Sunderland were more than safe as Wigan were more concerned about their impending FA Cup final against Manchester City than survival. In the end, Sunderland didn't win a single game in their last 4 encounters which doesn't say a lot about Di Canio record.
Gustavo Poyet inherited a poor squad who were not very happy under Paolo Di Canio and didn't get going with Sunderland until very late in the season. Sunderland were bottom with 6 games to go after losing back-to-back games to Spurs and Everton. Many managers would have folded and waited for the axe but Poyet kept believing, got 7 points from a possible 9 from trips to Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United (if you don't find that impressive, get your head checked) and won relegation 6-pointers against Cardiff and West Brom. In those last 6 games Poyet earned 13 points from a possible 18!

Poyet keeping Sunderland up last season was nothing short of astonishing. Di Canio had a piss easy fixture list with the bottom 3 already down.
 

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I reckon you're like we were three years ago. Knew we didn't want McCarthy anymore but didn't really know what we did want. Ultimately, we ruined the reputations of three managers.... Will Advocaat be able to shake up the 'average" PL players?
They usually respond well to a kick up the arse. The home games against Newcastle, Palace and Leicester are crucial.
 

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Well the difference is 3 points (and not 3%, that's a statistical misconception).;)

Paolo Di Canio was appointed Sunderland manager on March 31, 2013. At the time Sunderland were in awful form but were still hardly troubled by the relegation zone. Di Canio did have a decent record with Sunderland but the fixture list wasn't exactly daunting. First he had to play at Newcastle, a game Sunderland easily won 3-0. However, this didn't stop Sunderland from heavily losing 1-6 to... Villa. By then Sunderland were more than safe as Wigan were more concerned about their impending FA Cup final against Manchester City than survival. In the end, Sunderland didn't win a single game in their last 4 encounters which doesn't say a lot about Di Canio record.
Gustavo Poyet inherited a poor squad who were not very happy under Paolo Di Canio and didn't get going with Sunderland until very late in the season. Sunderland were bottom with 6 games to go after losing back-to-back games to Spurs and Everton. Many managers would have folded and waited for the axe but Poyet kept believing, got 7 points from a possible 9 from trips to Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United (if you don't find that impressive, get your head checked) and won relegation 6-pointers against Cardiff and West Brom. In those last 6 games Poyet earned 13 points from a possible 18!

Poyet keeping Sunderland up last season was nothing short of astonishing. Di Canio had a piss easy fixture list with the bottom 3 already down.
What!? On March 31, 2013, Sunderland were in 16th place on 31 points, Wigan were 17th on 30 and Villa 18th on 30. How is that "hardly troubled by the relegation zone"?

Why are you judging Poyet's "astonishing" reign on just five games, but not Di Canio's? The fact is they both came in and improved form in the short term, like what often happens with new managers, but in the long run they were both terrible and did nothing to improve the club's fortunes.
 

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Really, you look at it and I'm not sure Poyet could realistically be doing much better.

I'm sorry Lee but that's nonsense. In 2013 the Guardian reported their wage bill was 8th highest in the league, and their net spend has been +£11m and +£27m in the past two seasons respectively. How in any way is treading water, competing with the likes of Burnley and Wigan for the coveted 16th place for the past few seasons in any way good enough for a club like Sunderland?
 

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What!? On March 31, 2013, Sunderland were in 16th place on 31 points, Wigan were 17th on 30 and Villa 18th on 30. How is that "hardly troubled by the relegation zone"?

Why are you judging Poyet's "astonishing" reign on just five games, but not Di Canio's? The fact is they both came in and improved form in the short term, like what often happens with new managers, but in the long run they were both terrible and did nothing to improve the club's fortunes.
Looking at the fixture list, it didn't look likely that 2 other teams would be able to overtake them. Of course it's easy to say that in hindsight but that's how it felt like to me at the time.

Because Poyet won them games against good sides at hard places unlike Di Canio. I grant you that Poyet got Sunderland in that mess himself but the fact that he kept them up under the circumstances that I mentioned is astonishing. Again I don't know what his problem is. Does he excel when he's got his back to the wall? Is he just not a good enough motivator when things are doing ok? I don't know. He's not great but I doubt Sunderland would have gone down had he remained there.
 

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