Ineligble Player

[PoolieTom]

This has been brought up on one of our message boards and I thought I would post on here to see if anyone has an answer..

Accrington have been fined £5,000 (suspended for 12 months) for fielding an ineligible player in both their opening League game and their Cup game.

See link:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-fined-5000-for-fielding-an-ineligible-player
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-fined-5000-for-fielding-an-ineligible-player
Have the rules changed on this in the past couple of years?

Pools were fined £10,000 and deducted 3 points for fielding an ineligible player in 2010. Seems a bit unfair to me.

 

[Murphy]

Haven't seen a club deducted points for this sort of thing in a while, think a few have got away with it in the past few years.

 

[DearneValleyRover]

From what I can gather it's an International clearance problem rather than a registration issue.

 

[JJ1532]

From what I can gather it's an International clearance problem rather than a registration issue.

Which in itself is often farcical. You hear time and time again that players are having issues moving between Wales and England and vice versa because they need international clearance. Its barmy.

 

[mowgli]

If he's any good he should be banned for tonight's game against us

 

[Accyste]

It was an international clearance problem, seems accy thought he had it after playing on loan at Newport? But obviously they where wrong. Thing that confuses me was his home club was Aston villa surely he needed clearance to be there too

 

[DearneValleyRover]

It was an international clearance problem, seems accy thought he had it after playing on loan at Newport? But obviously they where wrong. Thing that confuses me was his home club was Aston villa surely he needed clearance to be there too

A loan is seen as a move of club therefore international clearance is required for every move and yes it is a farce.

 

[Bobbin']

Haven't seen a club deducted points for this sort of thing in a while, think a few have got away with it in the past few years.

Rotherham were deducted 3 points the season before last, nearly relegated them.

 

[shoddycollins]

Different jurisdiction, but remember Legia Warsaw's elimination from the Champions League being based on a similar formality

 

[PoolieTom]

So the severity of the punishment changes depending upon the reason they were ineligble? Seems bizzare.

Pools field a player who should've been serving a suspension for 10 yellow cards = 3 points deduction and £10K fine
Rotherham field a player who's loan had expired = 3 points deduction and £30K fine
Accy field a player who didn't have permission to be playing in the country = £5K fine

Do they just make it up as they go along? Who decides which of the above is worse?

 

[DearneValleyRover]

So the severity of the punishment changes depending upon the reason they were ineligble? Seems bizzare.

Pools field a player who should've been serving a suspension for 10 yellow cards = 3 points deduction and £10K fine
Rotherham field a player who's loan had expired = 3 points deduction and £30K fine
Accy field a player who didn't have permission to be playing in the country = £5K fine

Do they just make it up as they go along? Who decides which of the above is worse?

The dove from above

 

[Pooliekev]

It obviously depends on who you know and how big the pre-hearing dinner is.

So I'm told.

 

[daviejones]

So the severity of the punishment changes depending upon the reason they were ineligble? Seems bizzare.

Pools field a player who should've been serving a suspension for 10 yellow cards = 3 points deduction and £10K fine
Rotherham field a player who's loan had expired = 3 points deduction and £30K fine
Accy field a player who didn't have permission to be playing in the country = £5K fine

Do they just make it up as they go along? Who decides which of the above is worse?

To be fair the first two - you and Rotherham - are significantly stupider than what Accrington did, probably would've been harsh to punish Accrington at a similair level. All three are moronic though.

 

[Pooliekev]

How so? Ineligible is surely ineligible?

Please do enlighten us on the degrees of ineligibility.

 

[PoolieTom]

To be fair the first two - you and Rotherham - are significantly stupider than what Accrington did, probably would've been harsh to punish Accrington at a similair level. All three are moronic though.

I dunno like. Fielding a player who is not allowed to even play in the country, nevermind in that one single fixture is the stupidestest.

Ours only happened because it was a bank holiday set of fixtures, he was booked on the Friday, but the booking was not processed until the Tuesday as FA/FL offices are not open over BH weekend. Played Monday as the booking had not been processed yet.

 

[daviejones]

I dunno like. Fielding a player who is not allowed to even play in the country, nevermind in that one single fixture is the stupidestest.

Ours only happened because it was a bank holiday set of fixtures, he was booked on the Friday, but the booking was not processed until the Tuesday as FA/FL offices are not open over BH weekend. Played Monday as the booking had not been processed yet.

So you played him on the Monday and then got done for it, or got done for playing him the game after it was processed?

 

[Bobbin']

To be fair the first two - you and Rotherham - are significantly stupider than what Accrington did, probably would've been harsh to punish Accrington at a similair level. All three are moronic though.

Rotherham were punished for an admin error that wasn't even made from their end and the guy only played in one game.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Think they just make it up as they go in regards to ineligible players. Wasn't so many years ago that they chucked Droylsden out of the FA Cup for it I think and a tie involving Mk Mongs and Chesterfield was made to be replayed after it happened 2/3 years back.

 

[joethegill]

We had one of these last season. Emmanuel Osadebe, signed from Spurs youth programme. Apparently he wasn't actually registered to Spurs, despite the signing being announced on the Spurs website, with Osadebe wearing a Spurs tracksuit, standing next to Brad Friedel who was very much with Spurs, and a photo being taken at Spurs' training ground. Turns out he was actually registered to the Irish side Dundalk.

Can't believe we didn't work it out from this picture.

Anyway, not a lot really happened from it - think we probably got a fine but no points were ever mentioned. It only came to light about 6 months after the start of the season too, so I'm not sure they were overly bothered.

 

[Vanni]

I can see where daviejones's coming from - playing a suspended player or one who's loan has expired is beyond belief afaic. Surely someone at the club (could be the manager or even one of the ball boys) will realise a particular player is suspended? Or the loan has expired?

OTOH, I'm told the permit issue is a bit of a grey area and can be quite complicated at times. Apparently, it's not simply a case of 'does he have a permit or doesn't he', so I can see why mistakes happen regarding this issue.

 

[dedwardp]

Haven't seen a club deducted points for this sort of thing in a while, think a few have got away with it in the past few years.

Bury were deducted points just last month: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36685672

 

[PoolieTom]

So you played him on the Monday and then got done for it, or got done for playing him the game after it was processed?

Got done for the Monday game

 

[shoddycollins]

Got done for the Monday game

So HUFC just assumed that since the offices weren't open over the bank holiday they could play him on Monday and the FA would have no qualms about it? Sounds like they thought they had a loophole.

Initially I thought you meant you'd played him on game 4 following the booking only to be told that because the offices were closed before game 1 the booking didn't come into effect until game 2 and therefore was still suspended. That I would have sympathised with.

 

[PoolieTom]

Think you've got it about right yeah. He was played as we believed the card wouldn't be processed until offices opened on the Tuesday. It was obviously silly and we rightly got our punishment, but is that really 3 points and £10K worse of a crime than playing someone who is not even allowed to kick a ball in frustration in this country?

Come on Lionel, you only need to turn out for 15 minutes in our play off final, score a hat trick and we'll sub you back off, we won't even get fined for it.....

 

[shoddycollins]

Think you've got it about right yeah. He was played as we believed the card wouldn't be processed until offices opened on the Tuesday. It was obviously silly

Almost worthy of mention on the tinpot thread, sounds like Hartlepool are the Dick Dastardly of football, trying to sneak a 12th man on when the referee isn't looking.