Is it time for a 'Managerial Merry go round' thread?

[thewwfc]

He came in with his hands tied behind his back to an extent, the timing was appalling and if you’re going to can the manager in January, do it when he’s got time to bring in his own players.

Just makes Vince look worse if they get rid of Ferguson now. That said, it’s only one of those dodgy clickbait sites with the story, so…

 

[kieran_vale]

He came in with his hands tied behind his back to an extent, the timing was appalling and if you’re going to can the manager in January, do it when he’s got time to bring in his own players.

Just makes Vince look worse if they get rid of Ferguson now. That said, it’s only one of those dodgy clickbait sites with the story, so…

I think this site has Pete O’Rourke involved with it so there’s a bit more credibility there. Not quite EFL Hub or one of those ones you get every window.

Agreed though. This job was a complete shit sandwich for any manager to take. Strange that they hung on grimly to Burchnall when there was time to do something but might not be doing the same now.

 

[GEORGE]

I agree it would be pointless.

My guess is this is being leaked by an unhappy player or someone close to him, we’ve actually had quite a few leaks on transfer targets this season as well which isn’t great.

You never know -- It could be Big Dunc himself leaking this . Hoping someone may tap him up to save him from having a relegation on his CV.

 

[Chris FGR]

I think this site has Pete O’Rourke involved with it so there’s a bit more credibility there. Not quite EFL Hub or one of those ones you get every window.

Agreed though. This job was a complete shit sandwich for any manager to take. Strange that they hung on grimly to Burchnall when there was time to do something but might not be doing the same now.

Fraser Fletcher seems to be the journo reporting this, not sure how reliable he is, but looks to have a reasonably credible background.

 

[Son of Cod]

I've never been fully convinced by McCann, I think it's because he made such hard work of getting Hull promoted and his sides just seem a bit clunky and streaky.

One of the most dour men in football too. I'm glad Hull sacked him off purely on the basis that it makes Radio Humberside a hell of a lot more listenable without him on it.

Recruitment was poor because Robinson ignored the recruitment team last summer and signed his own players. It was an absolute disaster, going away from our model that had been so successful (and profitable) for the last four or five years, and leading to the head of recruitment leaving at the end of January as he was pissed off with not being listened to.

Robinson has been an absolute car crash of a man this last year, with off the field personal problems, fall outs with players, ignoring any and all advice offered to him, and completely losing the fan base. This happened during our ownership hiatus and has probably cost us this season, and next season too. We now have a proper well funded structure being re-assembled (including recruitment) so I would think this will suit Liam Manning and should be a good fit.

But, fuck me Robinson has left a lot of mess to be cleared up behind him, and should have gone last summer.

He sounded like a man on the edge in that BBC Sounds podcast. Sounds like he could do with some time away from football.

 

[Greenacres]

Not managerial...at least not in the truest sense...but our Head of Performance and Recruitment has left the building...if ever there were a perfect demonstration of an oxymoron then surely that is it...his recruitment has led to our increased levels of underperformance.

The transfer window dealings have visibly weakened the squad to a point where one of my mates, who has been watching Rovers for over 30 years, said on Saturday that he couldn't remember a worse season from a footballing point of view...I only started watching them in the mid noughties, so around 20 years, and have to say I agree!

 

[Chris FGR]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635348551877140509

Always satisfying to see the good old corner flag stock photo for a sacking announcement. Thoroughly deserved the boot imo, absolutely clueless in his recruitment. Only here since November but still would say his departure is well overdue.

 

[kieran_vale]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635348551877140509

Always satisfying to see the good old corner flag stock photo for a sacking announcement. Thoroughly deserved the boot imo, absolutely clueless in his recruitment. Only here since November but still would say his departure is well overdue.

It’s good to see clubs keeping it simple like that though I must admit Oxford when they announced sacking Robinson using a photo of a statue outside the ground was a nice spin on it I thought.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

This guy was too into the "stats" based approach, and too little into watching how players play on the field. I actually wonder what sort of scouting set up we have now....

 

[Greenacres]

This guy was too into the "stats" based approach, and too little into watching how players play on the field. I actually wonder what sort of scouting set up we have now....

7th Stroud cover local games, 1st Tewkesbury for anything further afield...unfortunately recently they have refused to go out when it is wet and have delegated their duties to the 4th Nailsworth Cup Pack and 1st Eastington Beaver Colony.

 

[thewwfc]

Not taking the piss here, but I genuinely think this season’s FGR campaign would make a great case study for clubs in terms of what *not* to do when you get promoted.

Don’t get me wrong, we had a couple of shit seasons too where we went straight back down from this division as a result of two things - 1) not finalising the budget till too late and missing out on all first choices - 2) signing quantity over quality, a bunch of average squad players rather than a strong core

But FGR really seem to be hitting as many no-nos as you can imagine, other than cooking the books.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

Not taking the piss here, but I genuinely think this season’s FGR campaign would make a great case study for clubs in terms of what *not* to do when you get promoted.

Don’t get me wrong, we had a couple of shit seasons too where we went straight back down from this division as a result of two things - 1) not finalising the budget till too late and missing out on all first choices - 2) signing quantity over quality, a bunch of average squad players rather than a strong core

But FGR really seem to be hitting as many no-nos as you can imagine, other than cooking the books.

Sadly I agree with all of this.

And would add (as fans on the forums of numerous of our opponents, especially the bigger clubs who have given us a hiding, have often noted) trying to play nice tippy-tappy football against far stronger, faster, more capable teams, instead of shithousing to survive, which is an understandable, if unattractive, but tried and tested way for other ex-non-league clubs to survive or occasionally even thrive at this level.

It is quite shocking just how incredibly out of our depth we have been all season, and in the pre-season. I've not been at a game that we won since last April!

 

[Greenacres]

I've watched maybe 25 games this season, including cup games, and I can't remember a game where I thought we were really good...in fact the last time we were any good was probably towards the end of 2021 when we had Wilson and Cadden tearing down the wings and the Matt attack scoring for fun. Since then it has been largely dreadful. I agree with the comment above from Essex2Wessex about how out of our depth we have been, this is not just on but also off the pitch...still not sure that our ticketing system is working!

There are a number of vacancies at the club, all in fairly senior roles...I don't think we have a CEO at the moment, or an Experience Officer (odd title but the person who was recruited to fill the position was largely invisible before they left), the recently vacated position of Head of Performance and Recruitment...on our forum there is a suggestion that we don't have a Stadium Manager either, which is a little concerning as that post had been filled by no less than Dane Vince (son of the owner).

To describe the situation as shambolic is maybe an understatement.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

I think there have been some games this season at which we're been pretty decent for 20, 30, maybe once in a while 40 minutes. Before surrendering completely, however.

New CEO being appointed tomorrow apparently, from New Zealand it seems. (Edit: so does that mean the "People's Republic of Stroud" guy, and if so, is that really a good thing???)

Credit to the "Experience Officer" when he was there for actually getting the away fans some sort of fan zone with booze and food after its post-Covid absence (still miss Girish's samosas though) & sorting out a few other catering issues, if nothing else. I mean our away fan experience is not great at the best of times, but last season it was truly abysmal.

Problem is as I see is that DV is seriously accelerating his interests in politics, FGR seems rather less a focal concern of his at present that is has been, even though it is also the thing that gives him the media presence he seeks.

 

[valefan16]

I thought FGR looked decent against us for the first half at their place, scored, knocked it about well, but identical to the game at VP as the game wore on they just got deeper and deeper until the pressure told and we scored 5 goals over two games all in the last 15 minutes.

Maybe confidence issues as to why but certainly not the poorest side we’ve faced this season in terms of general play.

Key thing now is to prepare for league two Next season and use the almost inevitably of relegation as giving you more time to build for next season.

 

[kieran_vale]

DC now left Vale. I’m stunned at that starting with the timing. Done an incredible job for us given the starting point.

 

[thewwfc]

DC now left Vale. I’m stunned at that starting with the timing. Done an incredible job for us given the starting point.

Ah, the “Forest Green” approach of “um, why the fuck do this now?”.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Results have been awful but I'm shocked and disappointed at this

 

[stevowanderer]

Wasn’t he given a really long contract not too long ago?

 

[kieran_vale]

Ah, the “Forest Green” approach of “um, why the fuck do this now?”.

Aye, well I can’t wait for the new manager bounce now against erm Ipswich. Vale have done some dumb things in the past as a club, this is right at the top. The Shanahans have had a lot of goodwill towards them since taking over but things like sacking a very popular and successful manager can quickly change that.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Wasn’t he given a really long contract not too long ago?

Yes 5 years

 

[kieran_vale]

Yes 5 years

Also the reason he allegedly didn’t get the Portsmouth job due to the compo on that deal. Just feels like a case of scapegoating for since January when I think he carries very little blame at all.

 

[Soz]

what the fuck. either we're all missing something that isn't public domain (which is very possible given the amount of rumours flying around) or this is a batshit decision.

 

[kieran_vale]

what the fuck. either we're all missing something that isn't public domain (which is very possible given the amount of rumours flying around) or this is a batshit decision.

If you see on the statement they also added they had discussions with DC, Flitcroft and “senior players”. What the actual fuck is that about??? Not one of them has earned the right to a voice on that especially if one or two of them are leaving the club in a month anyway.

 

[valefan16]

Results have been awful and performances largely worse, with discipline gone it was clear he had lost the dressing room.

That said I don't blame DC, I am devastated by this news and my anger is purely at those cowards on the pitch who've down tools, lost discipline and let him down massively. I am furious they've shafted him like they have and hope whatever happens this time in 3 weeks 90% of them are never wearing our crest again.

Thanks for the memories DC, some fantastic ones even from this season, I have full faith is Crosby, lets keep this club up and then get rid of the rotten core of this squad.

Hopefully DC takes a break, spends time with his family and properly gets to recover from his tragedy last year and comes back stronger, wish him all the very best and deserves to be remember for the great times he gave us back after years of shit.

 

[valefan16]

If you see on the statement they also added they had discussions with DC, Flitcroft and “senior players”. What the actual fuck is that about??? Not one of them has earned the right to a voice on that especially if one or two of them are leaving the club in a month anyway.

Shows the problem right there.

Do chuckle though at our fans winging about Wycombe's tactics the other week now likely begging for Ainsworth!

 

[Randolph Haggerty]

So, I heard when he went for the pompey job , Carol shit herself and offered him anything to stay..
Apparently his family are all down that way and he was staying somewhere halfway, on his own, 6 days a week..
They agreed he’d do 4 days a week at vale from Wednesdays and go home on a Saturday.
Crosby had been pretty much running the show, hence the drop in form, and players not seemingly arsed.
The bloke’s head is obviously still not right, I know I’ve not been his biggest fan, but, as a bloke he’s genuine and obviously a decent manager, but I just don’t think he’s recovered.
A real shame, on a human level, for that man and his family.
He needs a break from football

 

[Laker]

Wow that’s a panic sacking if ever I’ve seen one.

 

[valefan16]

Wow that’s a panic sacking if ever I’ve seen one.

2 wins in 18 probably isn't on the face of it.

 

[Laker]

2 wins in 18 probably isn't on the face of it.

We went 4 wins in 30 and were adrift from safety four games ago - Bonner’s position was worse. But he’s done a great job to get you up and you’re still in the box seat to stay up. It’s not like you’d definitely be going down.

He deserved the chance to keep you up and, failing that, have the chance to bring you back up.

Who will you get? Keith Curle? John Yems? Hardly the most inspiring appointments.