Joining League Two for 24/25

[Meadow]

Stupid phone.

 

[valefan16]

Bad that. They’ve played a manic schedule to get games done and done well the make it into the play offs.

Considering the ground isn’t the worst by any means in terms of facilities it seems madness.

 

[AdamStag]

Bad that. They’ve played a manic schedule to get games done and done well the make it into the play offs.

Considering the ground isn’t the worst by any means in terms of facilities it seems madness.

Sorry to have passed you pal, felt like we had a bit of a bond after the playoffs.

 

[AdamStag]

As fo gateshead, nah they knew what they had to do before the season, and i believe the conference/FL write to each potential club advising them of what’s required should the potential for promotion be realised. i believe it’s the council who haven’t honoured the agreement.

Whereas it’s unfortunate for gateshead they’ll have been clearly advised long before and this won’t be a surprise.

 

[spireite]

As fo gateshead, nah they knew what they had to do before the season, and i believe the conference/FL write to each potential club advising them of what’s required should the potential for promotion be realised.

Whereas it’s unfortunate for gateshead they’ll have been clearly advised long before and this won’t be a surprise.

It's the council playing silly buggers and ruining it for everyone, not the clubs. I feel for Gateshead. The NL making comically shit decisions as well. Altrincham being punished for finishing higher than Solihull, and Barnet would have been better off if they finished 3rd. Nothing they do makes sense.

 

[AdamStag]

It's the council playing silly buggers and ruining it for everyone, not the clubs. I feel for them. The NL making comically shit decisions as well. Altrincham being punished for finishing higher than Solihull, and Barnet would have been better off if they finished 3rd. Nothing they do makes sense.

Aye i just edited the post when i realised it was the council, what a shambles though, why would you do that to a team that brings revenue to your council itself and you fuck then off.

 

[JJ1990]

What I can't understand is, everyone knew this was coming given they missed the EFL's deadlines for submitting the security lease, so how is it that the National League's best solution isn't to bring Aldershot in and let them play Altrincham and then bump up Halifax to play Solihull.

It cannot be right at all that Altrincham finished ahead of Solihull, yet they have to play their QF and Solihull get a free pass. Should be the other way round, Alty get a bye and Halifax play Solihull for the other SF spot.

 

[spireite]

They've now changed it, again, to give Alty the bye. Talk about just making it up as you go along. Honestly, part of me is going to miss the pantomime of that tinpot league.

 

[Conker]

Surely they just give it to whatever side misses out on the play-offs ?

 

[EnglishRed]

They've now changed it, again, to give Alty the bye. Talk about just making it up as you go along. Honestly, part of me is going to miss the pantomime of that tinpot league.

The administration of the National League is an absolute joke. Everything always seems to be decided on a whim.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Nice to see that league is still as much of a shambles as it was 12 years ago

 

[chipmunx]

can we put the NL management in the Tinpot section

 

[AdamStag]

Given the farcical nature of the conference this season they should just abolish promotion/relegation between the 2 divisions

 

[Optipez]

Surely they just give it to whatever side misses out on the play-offs ?

You'd think so wouldn't you.

 

[Scum.]

I'd never wish success to that club but I'd gladly see them go up so we don't have to play them. Franchise supporters don't need to respond as I have most or all of them blocked. Fuck them.

FUCK YOU, YOU HORRIBLE HIPPO CRITICAL PATHETIC TURD.

 

[valefan16]

Sorry to have passed you pal, felt like we had a bit of a bond after the playoffs.

You have our best wishes, I’m delighted you’ve got your promotion after that day and the class shown. Hopefully you make a better fist of it than we did.

 

[Stocky]

This is why 3 up 3 down will die a death. I'm for it personally as it makes sense for the flow of the leagues but with Wrexham, Notts etc not banging the drum for it whilst they were both going tooth and nail, it will be forgotten about now. And with clusterfucks like this it will be put on the back burner and I can't see it happening soon at all. The EFL teams will just kick the can down the road and obstruct if it comes up again citing examples like Gateshead and all the plastic pitches that have to be dug up (Harrogate, Sutton, possibly Bromley in a few weeks). If Wrexham with their owners, money and publicity had somehow stayed down a year or two longer, it may have ended up happening.

 

[JaredSUFC]

They've now changed it, again, to give Alty the bye. Talk about just making it up as you go along. Honestly, part of me is going to miss the pantomime of that tinpot league.

If they can’t organise the playoffs properly then they shouldn’t happen and thus there should only be one promotion and relegation spot this season.

It’s only fair.

 

[1862]

This is why 3 up 3 down will die a death. I'm for it personally as it makes sense for the flow of the leagues but with Wrexham, Notts etc not banging the drum for it whilst they were both going tooth and nail, it will be forgotten about now. And with clusterfucks like this it will be put on the back burner and I can't see it happening soon at all. The EFL teams will just kick the can down the road and obstruct if it comes up again citing examples like Gateshead and all the plastic pitches that have to be dug up (Harrogate, Sutton, possibly Bromley in a few weeks). If Wrexham with their owners, money and publicity had somehow stayed down a year or two longer, it may have ended up happening.

I do see this argument but for me it's as much about the sides that hover around the bottom of L2 for years as it is the quality of teams coming up. It might need more thought around supporting teams that go down, but then if it's not as hard to come back up then that might not be needed. On that front if you have more teams going down from L2, it follows that you'd expect there to be more "league-ready" clubs coming back up.

We'll see what happens with the likes of Southend, Oldham and Rochdale if/when they sort themselves out but I think the other concern is clubs throwing money at getting promoted and risking the long term future of the club for the "riches" of the league. 3 up 3 down wouldn't change that but it could make it a bit less manic.

 

[AdamStag]

I always like the idea they have in scotland/europe where say 2 go down and then 3rd bottom goes into the playoffs with those who qualified from the league below if the side in the league above is good enough it’s their chance to highlight it.

Many differing variations of it eg germany where 3rd bottom in the top division plays 3rd in the 2nd division (usually HSV).

Won’t happen but in a fan of it.

 

[WhiteRussian]

We'll see what happens with the likes of Southend, Oldham and Rochdale if/when they sort themselves out but I think the other concern is clubs throwing money at getting promoted and risking the long term future of the club for the "riches" of the league. 3 up 3 down wouldn't change that but it could make it a bit less manic.

Whats the difference between the NL clubs doing it and any other club in the FL doing to get to the riches of the next division? The obvious being Championship clubs risking everything to get to the prem. None of that is ever going to change unless there is a major reconstruct of football at all levels.

 

[AdamStag]

Whats the difference between the NL clubs doing it and any other club in the FL doing to get to the riches of the next division? The obvious being Championship clubs risking everything to get to the prem. None of that is ever going to change unless there is a major reconstruct of football at all levels.

There’s no reason as to why it can’t be 3 up 3 down though, makes little sense having 4 up from the league (though this was due to historical logistics) and having 2 down.

Though the conference has been weak by its standards the last couple of seasons the only thing really stopping it happening is protectionism from those in the league.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

We did it not long ago and risked the clubs future to try and get to League One. What a fool.

3 up 3 down please

 

[Essex2Wessex]

Three up three down please, and while we're at it, incorporate the fifth tier into the EFL.

Fundamentally the nature of what is now the National League has changed from what it was when it was founded in 1979 or when promotion and relegation to and from what is now the EFL in 1986 was introduced. It's almost entirely made up of full time professional clubs, half of them being ex-EFL (and of those a fair proportion are pre-1986 League clubs and in many cases by no means only the very smallest of them either ). Some fifth (even sixth) tier attendances put some League Two clubs (ahem) to shame.

Yes that would need to go hand in hand with more money from the Premier League. But absolutely not by the inclusion of their B-teams (the Scottish equivalent of which are not doing much to enhance the Lowland League there)

Obviously this all makes sense so you can bet that it will happen eventually, just as late as possible.

It'll still be years before Man City face any meaningful comeback for their FFP breaches, though

 

[leedsvaliant]

Sorry to have passed you pal, felt like we had a bit of a bond after the playoffs.

You deserve your day in the sun. We had the better of that day but I'm not sure it's benefited us in the long term. We were woefully ill prepared for league 1. I'm sure your owners, who have stuck with Clough even after that day at Wembley, will make a better fist of it.

I'm sure we'll have our time again, but as you know, this league is a pig to get out of.

 

[Stocky]

I do see this argument but for me it's as much about the sides that hover around the bottom of L2 for years as it is the quality of teams coming up. It might need more thought around supporting teams that go down, but then if it's not as hard to come back up then that might not be needed. On that front if you have more teams going down from L2, it follows that you'd expect there to be more "league-ready" clubs coming back up.

We'll see what happens with the likes of Southend, Oldham and Rochdale if/when they sort themselves out but I think the other concern is clubs throwing money at getting promoted and risking the long term future of the club for the "riches" of the league. 3 up 3 down wouldn't change that but it could make it a bit less manic.

I agree with a lot of what you say and as I say, if it was up to me I'd say 3 up 3 down because as an advocate for the English Football pyramid the weird L2-Nl bottle neck of one auto and two up is out of place.

But I just can't see it happening. The publicity about it has already gone down tenfold since Wrexham went up and basically I just can't see there being enough traction and there's enough rope for the current EFL teams to say "nah" and cite what happened with Gateshead yesterday as one of a few examples.

 

[1862]

Whats the difference between the NL clubs doing it and any other club in the FL doing to get to the riches of the next division? The obvious being Championship clubs risking everything to get to the prem. None of that is ever going to change unless there is a major reconstruct of football at all levels.

Well, the difference is with only two promotion places it's more likely to fail, and with that you might see teams feeling as though they have to spend more to "guarantee" it, putting them in a bigger hole if they fail.

No arguments on your other points though, the Championship is complete nonsense really, it makes what Ipswich have done this season very impressive (not that I know anything about their spend, but it's not touching Leeds' or Leicester's).

 

[1862]

I agree with a lot of what you say and as I say, if it was up to me I'd say 3 up 3 down because as an advocate for the English Football pyramid the weird L2-Nl bottle neck of one auto and two up is out of place.

But I just can't see it happening. The publicity about it has already gone down tenfold since Wrexham went up and basically I just can't see there being enough traction and there's enough rope for the current EFL teams to say "nah" and cite what happened with Gateshead yesterday as one of a few examples.

Yeah I can't argue with you there. You never know, they don't consult EFL clubs on lots of things these days...

 

[jacobncfc]

Three up, three down while incorporating the NL into a four-tier EFL of 20 teams each and a standardised promotion/relegation number between them. Adopt the NL play-off system because it keeps the season going for more teams and is more fun. Boot the under 21 teams out of the trophy and play the group stage Sat-Tues-Sat the week before the season starts when the weather is nice with relaxed sub rules so they're kind of like friendlies and people might actually want to go. Split the top tier of non-league into north and south with the champions promoted and then play-offs between them for a third. Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.

 

[valefan16]

Three up, three down while incorporating the NL into a four-tier EFL of 20 teams each and a standardised promotion/relegation number between them. Adopt the NL play-off system because it keeps the season going for more teams and is more fun. Boot the under 21 teams out of the trophy and play the group stage Sat-Tues-Sat the week before the season starts when the weather is nice with relaxed sub rules so they're kind of like friendlies and people might actually want to go. Split the top tier of non-league into north and south with the champions promoted and then play-offs between them for a third. Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.

I'd agree with most of this, all be it the 3-8th placed play off would be odd as essentially in 20 team leagues a mid table side could go up! Losing 8 games a season so 4 home games would hit income so would lean towards 22-22-22-22 system, 3 up, 3 down standard PO format.

The Pizza BSM Glass Paints Trophy pre season idea makes sense, Scotland does similar with their cup dont they?