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Carlisle trying to identify a fan for alleged racial abuse of the assistant referee against Oxford on Saturday. Lot of c*** up there at the moment it seems.

It was some fat bastard middle aged racist who has thankfully been arrested.
 

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Carlisle trying to identify a fan for alleged racial abuse of the assistant referee against Oxford on Saturday. Lot of c*** up there at the moment it seems.

Since Covid I've noticed Carlisle have had alot of issues with their fanbase, had to admit racist chanting away at Bradford last season and have had various incidents at home games with fans behind the goal - somebody set a fire work off in there when we went there this season.

A load of total idiots seem to have attached themselves to their fanbase, it was never this bad before.
 

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Since Covid I've noticed Carlisle have had alot of issues with their fanbase, had to admit racist chanting away at Bradford last season and have had various incidents at home games with fans behind the goal - somebody set a fire work off in there when we went there this season.

A load of total idiots seem to have attached themselves to their fanbase, it was never this bad before.

I don't know where it has come from to be honest, just seems to have created itself out of nothing.

Hopefully our new owners will do more to stamp it out unlike the previous old tepid owners we had who barely lifted a finger to do anything about it.
 

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Since Covid I've noticed Carlisle have had alot of issues with their fanbase, had to admit racist chanting away at Bradford last season and have had various incidents at home games with fans behind the goal - somebody set a fire work off in there when we went there this season.

A load of total idiots seem to have attached themselves to their fanbase, it was never this bad before.
Well, apart from the time one of their fans blew up our stand
 

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Since Covid I've noticed Carlisle have had alot of issues with their fanbase, had to admit racist chanting away at Bradford last season and have had various incidents at home games with fans behind the goal - somebody set a fire work off in there when we went there this season.

A load of total idiots seem to have attached themselves to their fanbase, it was never this bad before.

Carlisle has always had a band of nut jobs, in the 80’s and 90’s we had quite a nasty hooligan group, there was that time the title of ‘englands worst hooligan’ was supposedly a Carlisle fan.

It seemed to die a death in the early 00’s due to being too bloody embarrassed to go to games during the last few seasons of the Knighton years, even the prospect of a fight wasn’t worth suffering the crap on the pitch.

Has come back since covid as said, unsure why hit it has at a few clubs but we did always have an element for years
 

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Reading v Vale to be replayed on Tuesday 20th February. Was always going to be the decision on that.

Reading also have a three point deduction suspended for 18 months. Pretty lenient on them all things considered.
 
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Reading v Vale to be replayed on Tuesday 20th February. Was always going to be the decision on that.

Reading also have a three point deduction suspended for 18 months. Pretty lenient on them all things considered.
It's very lenient and also the agreed replay date means it is the 6th game out of 8 in 28 days. Much smaller following, we'll be knackered and Reading have basically got away scot free. That's set a precedent now...you can invade a pitch and get a game abandoned with literally no consequence. I'm pretty annoyed with the outcome of this and if we lost this and got relegated I would be raging.
 

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It's very lenient and also the agreed replay date means it is the 6th game out of 8 in 28 days. Much smaller following, we'll be knackered and Reading have basically got away scot free. That's set a precedent now...you can invade a pitch and get a game abandoned with literally no consequence. I'm pretty annoyed with the outcome of this and if we lost this and got relegated I would be raging.
The date isn’t ideal but then we’ve also got Wycombe to fit in now (yet Wycombe fans were suggesting we wanted it off!) so any time it’s played we are going to have a back log. Pretty much Tuesday all February and into March as it stands.
 

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The date isn’t ideal but then we’ve also got Wycombe to fit in now (yet Wycombe fans were suggesting we wanted it off!) so any time it’s played we are going to have a back log. Pretty much Tuesday all February and into March as it stands.
It's not so much the replay that's annoying. It's the fact that a game can be purposely abandoned with no punishment. It's set a very dangerous precedent.
 

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Play was abandoned after 16 minutes, it’s not like Reading’s fans cost Port Vale a guaranteed three points - they might have gone on and beaten you anyway. It’s annoying but in the context of what Reading fans are experiencing with their club at the moment it’s nothing.
 

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No issue with the Reading fans and also no issue with replaying the game. However, the parameters of the original game have changed. Midweek, Reading with their tails up, team travelling down on the day instead of being well rested. Smaller following.

It's the EFL's response that bothers me more and people should be concerned. They've made it acceptable to purposely abandon a game with no punishment. What stops others doing the same?
 

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Nothing except most other clubs’ fans wouldn’t do it unless their whole club’s existence isn’t at stake. If there’d been 10-15 mins to play and Port Vale had been winning then I’m sure the EfL would have taken a different approach.

The thing that gets me is everyone knew the protest was going to happen, it was hardly a surprise.
 

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Nothing except most other clubs’ fans wouldn’t do it unless their whole club’s existence isn’t at stake. If there’d been 10-15 mins to play and Port Vale had been winning then I’m sure the EfL would have taken a different approach.

The thing that gets me is everyone knew the protest was going to happen, it was hardly a surprise.
I don't think any other team would, but the precedent has been set. If I want to purposely abandon my team's game, then my team won't get punished.

If Reading win the replay, the only team to benefit from all this is Reading.
 

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I think the replaying the game is almost not worth mentioning. It was the only decision that could ever be made otherwise there’d have been all sorts of potential legal action then. I just wish it wasn’t the case we had the Saturday and Tuesday routine for the whole of February now but the game has to be played some time.

As for the precedent there is a difference where Reading fans protested to bring attention to their owner and just a pitch invasion to stop a game you’re losing. I’m pretty certain that would be considered in terms of aggravating or mitigating factors for any punishment.
 

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I think the replaying the game is almost not worth mentioning. It was the only decision that could ever be made otherwise there’d have been all sorts of potential legal action then. I just wish it wasn’t the case we had the Saturday and Tuesday routine for the whole of February now but the game has to be played some time.

As for the precedent there is a difference where Reading fans protested to bring attention to their owner and just a pitch invasion to stop a game you’re losing. I’m pretty certain that would be considered in terms of aggravating or mitigating factors for any punishment.
It just feels like we are the losers in all this through no fault of our own. Not just on the pitch but also our fans off the pitch. I understand your point about the context and reasons for the pitch invasion but there would be a pretty strong case if another team did the same for whatever reason.

I'm pretty upset by the EFL to be honest as it's a mess of their own making.
 

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It just feels like we are the losers in all this through no fault of our own. Not just on the pitch but also our fans off the pitch. I understand your point about the context and reasons for the pitch invasion but there would be a pretty strong case if another team did the same for whatever reason.

I'm pretty upset by the EFL to be honest as it's a mess of their own making.

There wouldn’t as with every disciplinary issue they will look at arguments for and against as well as the context of it. It’s not just the case of this is the precedent now come what may. Different transgression but see how Mitch Clark’s punishment for betting was markedly different to what Ivan Toney got once mitigating factors were considered as an example.

There’s not a right answer for it and you’ll never please everyone. We just need to suck it up and get on with it. It may well be the case in the coming days of the window they have to do a fire sale of the likes of Sam Smith and all of a sudden we have a very different game on our hands that night.
 

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It had to be replayed, oddly a fair few Reading fans felt we should have had the walkover (the love in is getting deep!) but it wouldn’t be right if we stayed up or made the play offs by a couple of points.

That said i do think as LV says it sets a precedent so possibly should have been a points deduction be it 3 rather than suspended so in effect Reading can’t benefit from the re match.

The biggest mess from it is though that Vale fans lose out on travel money and car park money quite substantially from the day.
 

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I don't think any other team would, but the precedent has been set. If I want to purposely abandon my team's game, then my team won't get punished.

If Reading win the replay, the only team to benefit from all this is Reading.
How do you know you wouldn't have lost anyway? They beat us in the previous home game, and have just beaten Derby at home.
If anything the imminent firesale of their players might work in your favour
 

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Our latest accounts were released this morning.

Loss of £2.6m
Cash in the Bank - £1.7m (further money in Lincoln City Holdings).
Player Sale Income - £600k (although there's a £730k figure later in the accounts, I think that's the figure inclusive of bonus payments such as Wrexham promotion for James Jones, sell-on fees from Jorge Grant, Harry Toffolo etc?).
Player Spend - £400k (some of that is for "contingent payments" from players signed in previous years, presumably sell-ons and bonus payments?).
Player Wages - not specified but "below the average" for L1 spend (total club spend on wages i.e. everyone from CEO to cleaner is specified, though).
Infrastructure Spend - £2.6m on the Stacey West redevelopment plus additional £300k on the training ground, general stadium infrastructure and safe standing installation.

There was an interview over Xmas with the American investor, and he basically said the losses are fine at the minute because we're in an investment phase i.e. buying players, having a squad of our own players rather than relying heavily on loans, spend on younger 18/19 year old players to develop through the academy and loan system, infrastructure spend etc but it's not sustainable over the long term.
 

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How do you know you wouldn't have lost anyway? They beat us in the previous home game, and have just beaten Derby at home.
If anything the imminent firesale of their players might work in your favour
It may work in our favour absolutely but the parameters of the original game are much less favourable to us now. Long midweek trip, smaller following, without our best player Devine who has since left, Reading with their tails up because things are getting sorted.

As I said earlier, the only team and fans that this decision has benefited is Reading Fc. No extra expenses for their fans, more favourable conditions for their team, no punishment for purposely abandoning a perfectly feasible game.

The whole thing stinks. Just like when we forfeited the playoffs in the Covid farce, we're now being nice little accommodating Port Vale again.

I guarantee if it was the other way around, Vale would be much more harshly punished.
 

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It may work in our favour absolutely but the parameters of the original game are much less favourable to us now. Long midweek trip, smaller following, without our best player Devine who has since left, Reading with their tails up because things are getting sorted.

As I said earlier, the only team and fans that this decision has benefited is Reading Fc. No extra expenses for their fans, more favourable conditions for their team, no punishment for purposely abandoning a perfectly feasible game.

The whole thing stinks. Just like when we forfeited the playoffs in the Covid farce, we're now being nice little accommodating Port Vale again.

I guarantee if it was the other way around, Vale would be much more harshly punished.
You will get players in to replace Device whereas Reading only have players heading out. They are definitely not 'sorted' and I fully expect them to be in the bottom four at the end of the season.
 

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You will get players in to replace Device whereas Reading only have players heading out. They are definitely not 'sorted' and I fully expect them to be in the bottom four at the end of the season.
We already have in Dan Gore and in fairness we had a right injury crisis going on so may work in our favour.
 

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It may work in our favour absolutely but the parameters of the original game are much less favourable to us now. Long midweek trip, smaller following, without our best player Devine who has since left, Reading with their tails up because things are getting sorted.

As I said earlier, the only team and fans that this decision has benefited is Reading Fc. No extra expenses for their fans, more favourable conditions for their team, no punishment for purposely abandoning a perfectly feasible game.

The whole thing stinks. Just like when we forfeited the playoffs in the Covid farce, we're now being nice little accommodating Port Vale again.

I guarantee if it was the other way around, Vale would be much more harshly punished.
I don't get how you feel less PV fans would make any difference to the eventual result.
 

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You will get players in to replace Device whereas Reading only have players heading out. They are definitely not 'sorted' and I fully expect them to be in the bottom four at the end of the season.
There's a lot of assumption work there. How do we know that all Reading's best players will leave and how do we know that the replacements for Devine will be of equivalent standard. As I said, the parameters of the original game are different, whether in our favour or not is irrelevant.
 

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I don't get how you feel less PV fans would make any difference to the eventual result.
It depends how much sway you put on supporter influence. In my view, a following of towards 1000 in comparison to one in the low hundreds could make a material difference to the player's performance. Maybe fine margins but I would say performance could be boosted by a bigger following.
 

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It depends how much sway you put on supporter influence. In my view, a following of towards 1000 in comparison to one in the low hundreds could make a material difference to the player's performance. Maybe fine margins but I would say performance could be boosted by a bigger following.
Improved or weakened? In the Covid season we were unbeaten at home until fans were allowed in. Then we lost our first two with fans there.

I think larger away followings = better performances is largely a myth.
 

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It just feels like we are the losers in all this through no fault of our own. Not just on the pitch but also our fans off the pitch. I understand your point about the context and reasons for the pitch invasion but there would be a pretty strong case if another team did the same for whatever reason.

I'm pretty upset by the EFL to be honest as it's a mess of their own making.
Stop whinging you are coming across like the Cheltenham fan moaning about Bolton.
Reading are in the brown stuff and they are only doing what any clubs fans would do if it stopped them going under
 

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