Stickied League 2 Away Support Thread 2024/25

[mozzavale]

Love thy neighbour perhaps.

Profit>Revenue

So going back to your initial reply, it doesn't sound at all familiar does it?

 

[mozzavale]

Would make sense if Crewe could actually fill any of their current stands. It's just petty as fuck. They're shooting themselves in the foot and losing a shit load of money. A guaranteed fully sold out stand, or about 100 Crewe dotted about in it? I can't ever remember going to Crewe away and us not having both stands, apart from the midweek relegation season game in 08?

I went a few times back before we used to get the stand behind the goal. Went in the side stand when Crewe effectively sent us down in 2000, we equalised then one of their lads scored a wonder goal. Your old man was with us that night. We only had the side in 2003 when Brisco equalised. They were filling it then, think they got promoted to the Championship that season. Before then it was before they built the main stand, so we only got 800 tickets in the Gresty Road End.

 

[Dan Phillips]

I went a few times back before we used to get the stand behind the goal. Went in the side stand when Crewe effectively sent us down in 2000, we equalised then one of their lads scored a wonder goal. Went with your old man that night. We only had the side in 2003 when Brisco equalised. They were filling it then, think they got promoted to the Championship that season. Before then it was before they built the main stand, so we only got 800 tickets in the Gresty Road End.

My first visit to Crewe wasn't until 2006 when George Abbey scored a cracker for us, so I would've missed all those before.

 

[Soz]

"not cost effective" to open another block for 200-300 in the same stand has to be complete bullshit.

It obviously is cost effective unless you get charged thousands of pounds to move some netting and sit another couple of stewards down.

MAYBE if it was a second stand which wasn't going to be filled, or the extra allocation is right by home fans I could buy it. But the Notts thing is a quite obvious lie from the club hence why all their fans on here assumed it was because they were petrified of large away followings giving away teams an advantage.


It's a cute excuse to blame vale when you've dicked about trying to limit big away followings. Crewe dicked about the other way and then looked a little daft when they only sold a few more.

We would have sold plenty more for Notts county and it makes no sense that vale would think otherwise.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

So going back to your initial reply, it doesn't sound at all familiar does it?

I'm not entirely sure you are probably best checking with Valefan16 as he is the one who quoted Notts as another example on this subject.

Sounds like some similarities to me. One guaranteed consistency is fans moaning, rightly or wrongly, about the the away allocations they receive.

 

[Jimmy Anderson]

We allocate Crewe 3000 and in the past give them a stand that holds over 4000 and they usually bring 1300. We usually get given 2300 for Crewe and sell it out in about 3 days and could probably sell 3500ish. Id say fuck it if Crewe want a smaller away following there then let's give it them by no fucker buying tickets and have about 200 there. Vale should just advertise to have a beam back on at the ground for 5 quid and get 3000 watching that giving the money to vale than paying the ridiculous 29 pounds price all going towards Crewe.

 

[jacobncfc]

"not cost effective" to open another block for 200-300 in the same stand has to be complete bullshit.

It’s to do with the concourse under it rather than the actual seats. The way that stand was (badly) designed in the 90s is basically that it’s two different stands.

So beyond that certain number we have to open up and have stewards, catering, staff, power etc in the other half of the concourse, even if there’s just another block of 200 people. We also have to pay for the police to close the road after the match because it’s deemed unsafe for more than 2,000 or whatever the number is to leave with the road being open. It’s annoying but it is what it is, all due to decisions made 30 odd years ago.

It’s clearly not because we don’t want really big away followings as we’ll do it when clubs can fill or nearly fill the whole thing. We have for Mansfield, Wrexham, Coventry and others in the last few years.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

"not cost effective" to open another block for 200-300 in the same stand has to be complete bullshit.

It obviously is cost effective unless you get charged thousands of pounds to move some netting and sit another couple of stewards down.

MAYBE if it was a second stand which wasn't going to be filled, or the extra allocation is right by home fans I could buy it. But the Notts thing is a quite obvious lie from the club hence why all their fans on here assumed it was because they were petrified of large away followings giving away teams an advantage.


It's a cute excuse to blame vale when you've dicked about trying to limit big away followings. Crewe dicked about the other way and then looked a little daft when they only sold a few more.

We would have sold plenty more for Notts county and it makes no sense that vale would think otherwise.

Thankfully Jacob has explained the reality of the situation rather than the guesswork from afar.

In summary, it's not bullshit. It's not a lie. When a club can sell it out we are happy to give a large allocation and reep the financial benefits.

But why let the truth get in the way of a good informed rant.

Anyway this was all discussed at the time, the club didn't back their own support at the time and we're not confident of selling an extra 1000 which we are happy to give clubs that can sell them.

Any requests for a few hundred after that conversation is going to be a firm no. Didn't matter much the attendance was reported at a snip under 12,000 even with a reduced and limited away following.

Marvelous stuff.

 

[Son of Cod]

In summary, it's not bullshit. It's not a lie. When a club can sell it out we are happy to give a large allocation and reep the financial benefits.

Except when it's the playoffs.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Except when it's the playoffs.

Granted. Special occasions rather than a standard league two fixture.

 

[Brom Boy]

2474 in reduced capacity Hayes Lane, Bromley

 

[Soz]

It’s to do with the concourse under it rather than the actual seats. The way that stand was (badly) designed in the 90s is basically that it’s two different stands.

So beyond that certain number we have to open up and have stewards, catering, staff, power etc in the other half of the concourse, even if there’s just another block of 200 people. We also have to pay for the police to close the road after the match because it’s deemed unsafe for more than 2,000 or whatever the number is to leave with the road being open. It’s annoying but it is what it is, all due to decisions made 30 odd years ago.

It’s clearly not because we don’t want really big away followings as we’ll do it when clubs can fill or nearly fill the whole thing. We have for Mansfield, Wrexham, Coventry and others in the last few years.

fair enough, if it means they have to open up a whole new concourse then that's similar to it being a different stand altogether.

and it wasn't clear to Notts fans at the time that they didn't want bigger followings, it was you lot that said it!

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

fair enough, if it means they have to open up a whole new concourse then that's similar to it being a different stand altogether....

Lesson learnt.

 

[DearneValleyRover]

400 Donny at Morecambe

 

[dedwardp]

431 Colchester at Notts County.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

431 Colchester at Notts County.

Seems extraordinarily good. For some reason midweek followings to Notts are generally very decent. Middle of the country helps I guess.

 

[Don Caster]

That's bloody good from Colchester.

 

[Don Caster]

Official figure for us at Morecambe 423.

 

[Soz]

Lesson learnt.

Just the 4 months to get your story straight.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Just the 4 months to get your story straight.

Or that guesswork from a far calling things bullshit and lie can be easy shot down and made to look a little foolish if you actually know stuff like how that stand operates/splits into two

I don't think PVFC will make that error again anytime soon.

 

[Soz]

You have been wrong about almost everything and have settled on this "it must have been vale not being confident of selling many" thing to save face.

Read the thread back. You gave us 1900 and said originally it was pay on the day (why would that be?) We sold out within hours of it reaching general sale.

We asked for more and were apparently denied.

You went out to bat for Notts using any excuse you could think of...including this "not worth it to sell only 200-300 more" line, it's actually two half stands, there's policing costs in the surrounding streets for over 2k, we either have to sell 1900 or 2900 to make it viable. More on that later. But also that bigger crowds is an advantage so you'd rather play in front of smaller home away crowds. (Ironically going on to get beaten meaning this was the one thing you were right about)

All of a sudden another 300 tickets get offered up when vale tell you that we wont give you more than whatever we get. Strange, 1900 limit is now 2200, Notts making a loss on the additional, according to you on here. They sell out almost instantly. But we don't get any more despite the demand being there. Instead we are told that it was us who only thought we could sell the other 300. Why would you only offer us 300 more if that breaches the threshold to opening the other concourse and paying police to shut the road?

Nothing of what Notts fans have said makes sense if you look at what happened. Apart from the shit scared of big crowds thing that you mentioned first.

It's not guessing to call out a constantly changing narrative that can't possibly be true.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

You have been wrong about almost everything and have settled on this "it must have been vale not being confident of selling many" thing to save face.

Read the thread back. You gave us 1900 and said originally it was pay on the day (why would that be?) We sold out within hours of it reaching general sale.

We asked for more and were apparently denied.

You went out to bat for Notts using any excuse you could think of...including this "not worth it to sell only 200-300 more" line, it's actually two half stands, there's policing costs in the surrounding streets for over 2k, we either have to sell 1900 or 2900 to make it viable. More on that later. But also that bigger crowds is an advantage so you'd rather play in front of smaller home away crowds. (Ironically going on to get beaten meaning this was the one thing you were right about)

All of a sudden another 300 tickets get offered up when vale tell you that we wont give you more than whatever we get. Strange, 1900 limit is now 2200, Notts making a loss on the additional, according to you on here. They sell out almost instantly. But we don't get any more despite the demand being there. Instead we are told that it was us who only thought we could sell the other 300. Why would you only offer us 300 more if that breaches the threshold to opening the other concourse and paying police to shut the road?

Nothing of what Notts fans have said makes sense if you look at what happened. Apart from the shit scared of big crowds thing that you mentioned first.

It's not guessing to call out a constantly changing narrative that can't possibly be true.

"It depends on what the figure was, we probably could of sold 500 more but not sure about more than that. Maybe the Goose Fair played a part?"



Just throw some netting down and sit another couple of stewards down

You can't just make things up and expect to get away with it. Soz.

 

[Meadow]

158 Dons at Fleetwood.

 

[dedwardp]

Seems extraordinarily good. For some reason midweek followings to Notts are generally very decent. Middle of the country helps I guess.

It's a three-hour trip but there's still only four or five closer games for us to be fair.

 

[mozzavale]

You can't just make things up and expect to get away with it. Soz.

Are you looking in the mirror whilst you say this? You should.

 

[Scum.]

158 Dons at Fleetwood.

28 more than we took on a Tuesday. I guess that is what being 2nd in the league does for your attendances...

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Are you looking in the mirror whilst you say this? You should.

Why should I? Give me an example like I did in the case of Soz.

I'm seeing a lot of unnecessary bitching, moaning and crying about away allocations amongst other things from the Staffordshire region. I bet you are too.

 

[Don Caster]

28 more than we took on a Tuesday. I guess that is what being 2nd in the league does for your attendances...

The extra 140 mile round trip & 3 hours on the road counts for nothing then? & they still took more than you.

 

[Scum.]

The extra 140 mile round trip & 3 hours on the road counts for nothing then? & they still took more than you.

Nah, it is because they are 2nd and we are 16th.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

It's a three-hour trip but there's still only four or five closer games for us to be fair.

Didn’t realise it was the fifth or sixth closest - tinpot then…