Lincoln vs Cambridge

[Vanni]

Yep that's what we all need now, referees not keeping up with play /or obstructed and having to hazard a guess.

I don't know what Paul means about the ref's angle though. He's got a clear view of the action?

 

[PaulHaddock]

Yep that's what we all need now, referees not keeping up with play /or obstructed and having to hazard a guess.

I don't know what Paul means about the ref's angle though. He's got a clear view of the action?

He hasn’t got a clear view though. It’s obstructed by Chapman’s right leg. However, from the ref’s angle (and ours) it definitely looks like he pushes off from the Lincoln players leg. So like I said, whilst I can see why he’s given it, he’s obviously assumed, rather than seen with his own eyes.

 

[wangle]

If he didn't see it properly then he shouldn't send the lad off, referrees should never guess, sadly this guy did it a lot.

Or at least consulted the linesmen. Unfortunately he saw him self as a one man marching band and preferred to overrule them!

 

[GodsGift]

At first I thought it was a terrible decision like everyone else but having seen it closer up on a video on Facebook (I'd link but it's from a private group), the ref has actually got it spot on. Goes over the ball with his studs up straight onto his shin.

 

[Habbinalan]

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Maybe unfortunate and unintentional at the time but that image does not look great. Looks a potential leg breaker so if the ref saw anything like that view then it’s spot on.

Where’s the ball during this ?

 

[Crewelad87]

Can’t argue with that. Potential leg breaker.

 

[Guernica]

Fair play to the ref, he got that one right. Watching it live I thought he had a shocker but that's a red.

That leaves us really short for Tues night, hopefully one of Freck or O'Connor is back fit.

 

[Impish]

They've both gone to side foot the ball away at the same time and Deegan's got there a second quicker that's all. Resulting in Chapman's foot rising up like in the photo.

In a court of law he'd be found guilty based on that photo alone but in this instance you definitely don't get the full picture.

In full flow nobody thought it was a red including their bench and it happened just in front of them. Deegan got him sent off with his reaction, obviously didn't fancy the daunting prospect of being up against a 17 year old in the middle of the park all afternoon, the soft twat.

 

[MaineRoad_96]

Can’t argue with that. Potential leg breaker.

I could potentially break my leg walking up the stairs. He didn’t dive in, he stayed on his feet and was clattered by Deegan (who did dive into the tackle).

 

[Laker]

They've both gone to side foot the ball away at the same time and Deegan's got there a second quicker that's all. Resulting in Chapman's foot rising up like in the photo.

In a court of law he'd be found guilty based on that photo alone but in this instance you definitely don't get the full picture.

In full flow nobody thought it was a red including their bench and it happened just in front of them. Deegan got him sent off with his reaction, obviously didn't fancy the daunting prospect of being up against a 17 year old in the middle of the park all afternoon, the soft twat.

You absolute prat. That clown of yours could have broken his leg and you’re accusing Deegan of getting him sent off. You’re a total muppet.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

You’d think a 17 year old would be a little quicker and not second to the ball. Photos can be deceptive but his body position doesn’t help him and his foot position is a leg breaker for sure

MR96, how are you going to break your leg walking up the stairs?

 

[Habbinalan]

You’d think a 17 year old would be a little quicker and not second to the ball. Photos can be deceptive but his body position doesn’t help him and his foot position is a leg breaker for sure

MR96, how are you going to break your leg walking up the stairs?

His eye sight and eye/limb co-ordination appear to be a bit dodgy?

 

[StrangelyBrown]

This photo is on social media- assuming it is genuine (no reason to believe it isn't) then this will not be over turned.

Ref had a clear view of this and both feet are off the ground in the challenge. Not how I saw it at 3.21 yesterday from 100 feet away!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1053922094910713856

 

[Luke Imp]

I'm not having that still as a sign of it being a red card. It's got to be taken into context with the challenge.

It's a block challenge where Chapman starts in a low block, swinging position and goes up the players shin, not going into the challenge over the top, studs showing and into his leg. Deegan's just got there a split second before he does, that's all.

It's just a mis-timed, honest challenge. Which is why Cambridge have said they'll help with the appeal. If it's an intentional leg breaker, they're not doing that. No Cambridge player even noticed the challenge, nor the Cambridge bench.

 

[Plumbob]

You absolute prat. That clown of yours could have broken his leg and you’re accusing Deegan of getting him sent off. You’re a total muppet.

I'm with you on that (Not Impish being a prat, I don't know him!). At the time didn't think Deegan had done anything wrong, he was just a split second earlier in the tackle than Chapman. Clearly it may have been painful so he had every right to go down.
However, Luke is spot on with his assessment. Still photos at a specific moment shouldn't be used to make judgement on such things.

I'm not having that still as a sign of it being a red card. It's got to be taken into context with the challenge.

It's a block challenge where Chapman starts in a low block, swinging position and goes up the players shin, not going into the challenge over the top, studs showing and into his leg. Deegan's just got there a split second before he does, that's all.

It's just a mis-timed, honest challenge. Which is why Cambridge have said they'll help with the appeal. If it's an intentional leg breaker, they're not doing that. No Cambridge player even noticed the challenge, nor the Cambridge bench.

 

[GodsGift]

It's frustrating you can't take videos off private Facebook groups but there is footage that shows it's a red card offence, so it's not just a still photo we're talking about here.

Like I said, I initially thought it was a disgraceful decision but now I'd be surprised if we get it overturned. I feel for Ellis, he's clearly made a genuine attempt to win the ball but sometimes that's not enough. It's over the stop, dangerous and a potential leg breaker.

 

[PaulHaddock]

Not sure what intent has to do with it, a slightly late but well-intentioned challenge doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Awaits comments from North Notts on the red card......

We’re all dirty northern bastards, wouldn’t have it any other way

 

[Davidimp]

Wasnt the best challenge in the world but having seen some of the challenges in the prem that only got yellows, it's the level of consistency that's the problem for me.

 

[GodsGift]

Not great quality, but here's the vid. Looks a nailed on red.

 

[Davidimp]

It won't get overturned IMHO, leoffers aving us very short in midfield, if only they were international call ups not injuries and suspensions we could get some games called off

 

[Son of Cod]

Not sure what intent has to do with it, a slightly late but well-intentioned challenge doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

Beat me to it. Intent isn't a mandatory stipulation of a red card.

 

[SoutheySWFC]

Not great quality, but here's the vid. Looks a nailed on red.

And the referee is perfectly placed, definite red card, regardless of intent he is going in studs first.

 

[Tom_CUFC]

It's an absolute stonewall red when you see that picture, you just can't do that. No malice I'm almost sure but Deegan's leg is in a natural position so the fault is entirely with the Lincoln player.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

I'm with you on that (Not Impish being a prat, I don't know him!). At the time didn't think Deegan had done anything wrong, he was just a split second earlier in the tackle than Chapman. Clearly it may have been painful so he had every right to go down.
However, Luke is spot on with his assessment. Still photos at a specific moment shouldn't be used to make judgement on such things.

But still photos and videos are what the Appeals panel use to determine whether a red card is overturned (amongst other evidence).

Only the club and the ref submit evidence alongside video and stills.

We're going to be a bit light in CM if Frecks and O'Connor are still out for the next 3 games

 

[Vanni]

I've finally made up my mind on the sending off, good thing I'm not a ref as split second decisions aren't my forte. Not a sending off offence IMO. I know it looks bad looking at the still images, but then again still photos are almost meaningless (particularly when used for handball incidents ). I actually feel sorry for the lad, I don't think he has featured that much for Lincoln and that makes it worse. I know that I'm supposed to say it was a clear red but I'm all for honest opinions.

Still haven't made up my mind on the two penalties though. The highlights don't show Akinde's one but apparently several Imps fans in the Co-op reckon he dived. As for ours, it sure looks like a penno, but if the ref thought otherwise then why didn't he dish out a yellow to Lambe for diving? . BTW, I don't think that ref has ever reffed one of our games before but I could be wrong.

Finally, whoever covers Lincoln's matches for the BBC has got to be one of the most deluded people on the planet, it reads like it was all one way traffic. Same thing happened last year too iirc.

 

[Tom_CUFC]

But why is his foot that high? It's above the ball and Deegan's leg is grounded, absolutely needless, it's a clear red.

 

[SVH]

100% red all day long. Great spot from the referee and Cowley would have eaten his words with his cornflakes this morning after seeing that.

The kid didn't mean it but that is high and reckless which he'll learn from. I'm amazed Imp fans thinking it's not a red after seeing the pic and close up video.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

The referee thought it was a straight red, and his view is all that matters. Looking at Video and Photos no chance of appeal. You can’t claim you hard done by that decision