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Not a bad effort at all and kept going right till the end.

Definitely unlucky with the penalty shout.

Maybe just need more quality to create clear chances as some build up play was good .
 

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Not much said on the penalty shout at the end - had that been a top team or v one you'd be hearing about the handball all week.

Had a right downer on you just now on 5live saying you didn't look very aggressive and even committed but not sure you can be these days with the ways refs officiate and VAR.

I think the key is to be organised and keep yourself in game and hope for good luck.

Unfortunately the clubs like you cannot buy ready made Premier league quality.

Burnley have paid 18 million for a Man C reserve keeper and Sheffield United about that for 2 good Championship players but not played in the Premier league.

Forest seem to have brought in another 20 players too.

I mean the last time we went up thought we brought some useful players but look how that turned out!

Josh King who had been at Bournemouth plus Sissoko and Danny Rose from Spurs.

Remember in 2015 after our promotion buying Capoue form Spurs for 8 million - you'd probably have to pay double that now at least as example.

And getting experienced Austrian/Swiss Internationals on free transfers too.
 

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I know Brighton have done well but then they have a fan owner prepared to put 400 million of his own money in and basically been helped by Chelsea.

Obviously got a good scouting system too.

And typically unlike us getting the best out of Danny Welbeck!

Brentford have done well too helped by the goals of Toney but a lot of clubs have stayed up in the past for a few years then drifted away.
 

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Not much said on the penalty shout at the end - had that been a top team or v one you'd be hearing about the handball all week.

Had a right downer on you just now on 5live saying you didn't look very aggressive and even committed but not sure you can be these days with the ways refs officiate and VAR.

I think the key is to be organised and keep yourself in game and hope for good luck.

Unfortunately the clubs like you cannot buy ready made Premier league quality.

Burnley have paid 18 million for a Man C reserve keeper and Sheffield United about that for 2 good Championship players but not played in the Premier league.

Forest seem to have brought in another 20 players too.

I mean the last time we went up thought we brought some useful players but look how that turned out!

Josh King who had been at Bournemouth plus Sissoko and Danny Rose from Spurs.

Remember in 2015 after our promotion buying Capoue form Spurs for 8 million - you'd probably have to pay double that now at least as example.

And getting experienced Austrian/Swiss Internationals on free transfers too.
Rapidly learning that media coverage of the “lesser” teams in the league is absolutely terrible. Loads of clueless ex-pros who haven’t watched the games just trotting out banal talking points.

If you haven’t spent X hundred million on the latest shiny thing to fill column inches and air time - you aren’t trying hard enough and aren’t worthy of respect basically. Damn the consequences of what that means for clubs.
 

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Really should have won today, absolutely dominant I felt against a Wolves side who offered nothing and that really didn’t have too much to do with the sending off either. We were much the better side at 11v11 too.

Would have taken a point before the game really to just get on the board but a tinge of disappointment at not having won it. Their goal was very disappointing too, Lockyer lack of athleticism really showing at times at this level.

My guess is we will get 0 respect for the performance or the result and everyone will just bleat about the penalty (despite the fact no one said anything about the penalty we should have had against West Ham, and the handball against Fulham). Must admit I’ve no idea what handball is anymore but his hand was raised so high I didn’t think it would be overturned.

Last 2 games we’ve done more than ok, could and should have more points than we do.
 

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Maybe due some luck !

Another promising display it seems .
 

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Main worry will be for Sheff United will be the way they simply fell apart against a side not exactly in gtrat form themselves.

I actually a couple of the early goals were a bit unlucky for the Blades but no professional team should collapse like that.

Particularly at home.

And they were going into this after a credible performance in defeat at Spurs too.
 

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Every team has significantly improved this season which makes it even harder for the likes of Luton to break into that middle little league we aspire to…
The gap in football excellence is so high that 36 odd points seems a pipe dream at this moment in time
 

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The league is ridiculous really. Everyone will be having a little giggle at Sheffield Uniteds expense when the real talking point is that a literal state (and an appalling one at that) backed club is popping 8 against them.

All great fun of course and the talking point is how "poor" the promoted clubs are, not how ridiculous it is that a state entity is allowed to bankroll clubs to the extent that the gap is this wide. I expect we will be on the end of a couple of these results this season too.

Crazy league, im happy to be taking the money and running personally.
 

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No-one ever thought that Luton would be anything other than cannon fodder in the Prem. However they're there and raking in the £££££ which will set them up for life. Back in the Championship next season with the funds for a new ground despite spending shedloads getting Kennilworth Road up to scratch.

They could rack up an all time low points tally but they've made it and I wish them all the best.
 

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Well,that’s one cup distraction out of the way…
Bring on the FA cup elimination and we can concentrate on European qualification…
 

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Whilst we do tend to go out of the league cup in this sort of manner, we could have done with some sort of win to go into the Everton game feeling a bit more confident about ourselves. Winning and losing being a habit.

Lack of goal threat the big issue at the moment, new lads who were brought in for their additional quality really not cutting the mustard for me so far. Yet to see these dangerous crosses we were supposed to be getting out of Giles and I’m still not entirely sure of where the fit is for Chong. Difficult for the club to get that summer window right but it’s not off to a great start so far from the new signings.

Injury to Lokonga who I had some high hopes for leaves us looking short in midfield again too. Not a great week already for us
 

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Just the sort of result that happens when you are struggling for goals .
 

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Congratulations.

Good chance to ger more points on Tuesday too .
 

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Finally got the set pieces right today and got the win. Felt it was the trusty core of last season that gave us the platform, Lockyer and Morris with goals but Doughty was a constant threat with his set pieces (something we haven’t got right until today) and his crosses throughout. Up there as one of our best players for me and should be a nailed on starter for me. Nakamba also outstanding.

Sets up a massive game against Burnley mid week. Should be some atmosphere and a genuine opportunity for us to build some momentum
 

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I wonder if a bad VAR error like the one we saw in the Liverpool/Spurs game happened tonight would it get as much coverage?

Probably not .

Klopp seemed quite calm about it all (was a very poor mis judgement of what had gone on by the VAR team it has to be said ) probably knowing a decision or two will go Liverpool’s way now.
 

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Ugh. Cruel cruel game sometimes. Dominated the second half, got the goal we deserved and looked set to be the ones with an impetus to go and win.

10 seconds later the bloke puts it in top bin out of nothing and not really a thing anyone could do about it. Deserved so much more there
 

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I wonder if a bad VAR error like the one we saw in the Liverpool/Spurs game happened tonight would it get as much coverage?

Probably not .

Klopp seemed quite calm about it all (was a very poor mis judgement of what had gone on by the VAR team it has to be said ) probably knowing a decision or two will go Liverpool’s way now.
The footage they have released is pretty jaw dropping to be honest and makes me a little surprised something like this hasn't happened before. The communication between all involved is absolutely terrible, multiple people talking at once, no clarification or read back going on. Basically what absolutely NOT to do when communicating in a time critical situation.

Clear radio communications is, and has been, a solved problem in industries like aviation for literally decades. Even in sports like cricket and rugby the communications are incredibly proscriptive to provide clarity. These guys have wrapped themselves up in the language like "check complete" without having a good comms process in place like professionals. Shambles.
 

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Agree and it's not the first time heard stuff like that with everyone shouting and talking at once.

One guy was to trying to point out the errors of their ways but not getting listened to.

Seems FIFA won't allow VAR to be communicated in public.

Probably something to do with "spoiling the brand"
 

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The footage they have released is pretty jaw dropping to be honest and makes me a little surprised something like this hasn't happened before. The communication between all involved is absolutely terrible, multiple people talking at once, no clarification or read back going on. Basically what absolutely NOT to do when communicating in a time critical situation.

Clear radio communications is, and has been, a solved problem in industries like aviation for literally decades. Even in sports like cricket and rugby the communications are incredibly proscriptive to provide clarity. These guys have wrapped themselves up in the language like "check complete" without having a good comms process in place like professionals. Shambles.

The communication last weekend was without doubt terrible. If you watch the Cricket World Cup or Rugby World Cup this week, you'll hear the crisp wording which is used each time. When I heard this transmission for the first time on Tuesday I had my head in my hands, as someone who has worked in the industry you refer to above. It was shambolic.

The Premier League have said from this weekend that better communication protocols have been put in place - but why was this not the case on day 1? Football hasn't exactly helped itself with the demand for speedy resolutions.

Remember in many sports, English definitely isn't the first language for many. For these officials, English is their mother tongue!

Referees have been trained to have constant communication between their assistants. You couldn't have it like rugby because all you'd hear is the referee each second. I don't see this as being healthy.
 

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First 10 mins I thought we were going to be in for an extremely long afternoon. We were miles off it and seemed a bit overwhelmed and lacking belief in ourselves, could have easily been 3 down in that period. After that we settled, grew into the game and did quite well to limit spurs overall.

We grew into the game and the extraordinarily stupid red card gave us that belief back I felt and we grew into the game. Second half we had so much of the play, we’ve switched off to a short corner and been punished. Moments before Adebayo simply has to put us 1 up but small lapses get punished at this level.

Twice in the week we’ve been a bit dozy on a restart and been punished for it. I know it’s hard at this level where you see so little of the ball but disappointing to have that be the ultimate difference in the game.

Had plenty of chances but finishing was genuinely quite poor. We can be proud as I really thought anything under 4 today would be an achievement but a little disappointed we’ve got no points this week. Felt the performances this week warranted something. Good to have the break again as we are looking very thin at the back at the moment with injuries piling up
 

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Great point for us today, not the best performance but this team has always shown tremendous effort and resilience and that came through today.

So good for Elijah too, had a bad miss last time out got highlighted and piled up for on match of the day even, so so great for him and his confidence to come back at his next opportunity and find the equaliser.
 

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How fitting it was Diaz who scored after the week he has had

Good news story on both sides and VAR not the main talking point .
 

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