Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[EnglishRed]

There is a 40 year old English manager at CSKA Sofia called (amazingly) Nestor El Maestro. He's even Bald.

He seems a perfect fit for Notts.

Meet El Maestro: the Serbia-born Briton about to win the Slovakian title | European club football | The Guardian

Spartak Trnava’s workaholic coach discusses fleeing Serbia as a child, being compared to Pep Guardiola and learning his craft in West Sussex’s amateur leagues

amp.theguardian.com

 

[AdamStag]

He’s dead youth, can’t be on about Nigel, he’s never managed a big club

Also not sure he’d want to ruin his 100% win rate at meadow lane this season either

 

[RavenBish]

Did Mansfield beat us?

 

[Conker]

Did Mansfield beat us?

No we battered you.

 

[Ellis]

Simon Rusk has recently settled into the Nottingham area..

 

[ForzaCounty]

There is a 40 year old English manager at CSKA Sofia called (amazingly) Nestor El Maestro. He's even Bald.

He seems a perfect fit for Notts.

Meet El Maestro: the Serbia-born Briton about to win the Slovakian title | European club football | The Guardian

Spartak Trnava’s workaholic coach discusses fleeing Serbia as a child, being compared to Pep Guardiola and learning his craft in West Sussex’s amateur leagues

amp.theguardian.com

He sounds like a Champ Man 01/02 regen

 

[AdamStag]

He sounds like a Champ Man 01/02 regen

The hours/days/weeks i spent on that game!

 

[Youpies]

Birchnall ball till end of season written all over it.

No reason to change the 4-1 wins and 5 nil losses

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Get Clough in, he'll jump at the chance to manage a big club again

Nah those days are long gone for Clough Junior.

This is always the problem with having a talented successful manager who entertains the supporters playing proper passing pretty football.

Although thought he would be a little too strange for Swansea.

New contract signed recently so at least we get a nice wedge. Will be sad to see him leave, great guy, great times.

 

[jacobncfc]

Upwards of half a mill in compensation not to be sniffed at. We’re going on a defender buying spree.

 

[AdamStag]

Get Clough in, he'll jump at the chance to manage a big club again

If i’m honest i don’t think clough would be entertaining enough for you, he’s quite dull sometimes on that front.

 

[AdamStag]

Upwards of half a mill in compensation not to be sniffed at. We’re going on a defender buying spree.

Did he ever provide a rationale for such a shoddy oversight on the defence? It would certainly be helpful!

By and large though, he’s done a remarkable job

 

[jacobncfc]

Did he ever provide a rationale for such a shoddy oversight on the defence? It would certainly be helpful!

By and large though, he’s done a remarkable job

Bit of everyone to blame. He doesn’t do the signings to be fair and we ignored the defence entirely for some reason, but he hasn’t exactly done much to remedy it either. Fun, though.

Overall the job he’s done is brilliant. I would say last season was remarkable - obviously we’re always gonna be a big club/budget in the NL, but he had no right to get that number of points with what was basically the team that finished fifth and miles off the year before with a bunch of lads added from the Conference North. This year has been more just good - I think we’re about where we should be in the table with the talent we have, but our defensive record, away record and record against the top ten are all horrific. Will be fascinated to see how he does at a higher level.

 

[Conker]

Half a mill if true is a good chunk, actually seems a tad unrealistic for a L2 manager? gives scope to get a replacement in who’s already employed.

We got around half that off Peterborough for Steve Evans when funnily enough he left Mansfield to go to China, and that was a good bit of money for him.

 

[chipmunx]

Half a mill if true is a good chunk, actually seems a tad unrealistic for a L2 manager? gives scope to get a replacement in who’s already employed.

We got around half that off Peterborough for Steve Evans when funnily enough he left Mansfield to go to China, and that was a good bit of money for him.

Not sure if it's that unrealistic if he's on a long deal. I think we got half that for Evatt when he went to Bolton and he'd not even managed in L2.
the release clause for Wild though not announced sounds like it's more that the Notts County figure.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

It's a bit of a strange feeling but we are now shockingly a very well run club so £500k, although very nice, wouldn't surprise me. He's one of our biggest and sought after assets, clearly.

 

[Spanishstag]

I love all of this rambling about poundland pep playing magical and wondrous football, the thing is though all the best managers make sure that the spine of the team is complete before trying to entertain the fans,from shankly through to cloughie and fergie they all make sure the foundations are laid before trying to build the rest of the house even our nigel clicked on eventually ,but if some want to be entertaining rather than winning far be it from me to say theyre wrong

 

[RavenBish]

Got 100 points last season and sit 5th this season, can’t believe he managed to do that without winning. 58% win rate which is far higher than Clough has managed anywhere in his long meandering career.

Enjoying the new game where fans of other clubs tell us how much compensation we’re getting. 5 years ago Huddersfield agreed £1m compensation with Lincoln for the Cowleys - £750k isn’t that crazy then when you consider Williams/Harley are on such long contracts (and relatively new ones as well).

 

[Conker]

Literally no one is playing that game, it’s an impressive amount if true. Think this will be a good thing for County.

Love bringing up Clough, because you know his win ratio compared to someone who’s managed all those wins in non-league is so relevant

 

[Spanishstag]

Got 100 points last season and sit 5th this season, can’t believe he managed to do that without winning. 58% win rate which is far higher than Clough has managed anywhere in his long meandering career.

Enjoying the new game where fans of other clubs tell us how much compensation we’re getting. 5 years ago Huddersfield agreed £1m compensation with Lincoln for the Cowleys - £750k isn’t that crazy then when you consider Williams/Harley are on such long contracts (and relatively new ones as well).

The same clough whos team could be 10 points in front of you if we win our games in hand ,williams has done well for you but i honestly think hes over rated mainly because of the goals you concede

 

[jacobncfc]

Not sure if it's that unrealistic if he's on a long deal. I think we got half that for Evatt when he went to Bolton and he'd not even managed in L2.
the release clause for Wild though not announced sounds like it's more that the Notts County figure.

Both Williams and Harley (his assistant who'll also be going) signed contracts to 2027 mid-way through last season, which probably explains the compensation figure. £750k or there abouts is what I'd heard.

 

[1862]

It's all opinions, but ultimately Clough isn't getting poached by a Championship team because he's proven he can't do it at that level, and Williams is being poached because he's not been given an opportunity to fail there yet. We'll see if he gets found out - Burchnall did but he didn't have any of the success Williams has had - but assuming it happens, it's going to be great for us attracting more up and coming managers.

On Burchnall, I'm also not sure we should be judging him too harshly on his FGR tenure given how the club is going but I don't want to see him back.

 

[jacobncfc]

It's all opinions, but ultimately Clough isn't getting poached by a Championship team because he's proven he can't do it at that level, and Williams is being poached because he's not been given an opportunity to fail there yet. We'll see if he gets found out - Burchnall did but he didn't have any of the success Williams has had - but assuming it happens, it's going to be great for us attracting more up and coming managers.

On Burchnall, I'm also not sure we should be judging him too harshly on his FGR tenure given how the club is going but I don't want to see him back.

Williams is being poached because of his style of football and links to Swansea rather than his level of success. He's one more promotion away from that. I think it's the only Championship club that would come in for him, so it's a bit annoying they're the ones looking - their fans are basically in mutiny that they moved away from their 'club style' in Michael Duff (who, if we're honest, had achieved more at a higher level than LW when they poached him). Williams is an easy win for their board.

 

[Son of Cod]

It's a bit of a strange feeling but we are now shockingly a very well run club

Haven't you posted somewhere in the region of £2,000,000 losses for the past two or three seasons?

 

[jacobncfc]

Haven't you posted somewhere in the region of £2,000,000 losses for the past two or three seasons?

£1.7m for 2021/22, but that was pre our big crowd rises and still dealing with the Covid stuff. The ones due soon for last season will give a clearer idea of how we're actually doing on that front.

 

[Conker]

It's all opinions, but ultimately Clough isn't getting poached by a Championship team because he's proven he can't do it at that level, and Williams is being poached because he's not been given an opportunity to fail there yet. We'll see if he gets found out - Burchnall did but he didn't have any of the success Williams has had - but assuming it happens, it's going to be great for us attracting more up and coming managers.

On Burchnall, I'm also not sure we should be judging him too harshly on his FGR tenure given how the club is going but I don't want to see him back.

I’m not entirely sure that’s completely fair considering the circumstances Clough had at Sheff and more importantly Derby maybe you are not aware, but obviously at the same time Cloughhas spent most of his career in L1/2 because that’s what he’s proven to be good at.

If you ask Clough what his greatest managerial achievement is he’ll probably say keeping Burton up in the championship.

If Williams can learn on the job how to coach and set up a team better in defence he’ll be very successful, hope it goes well for him to be honest.

 

[Stocky]

Williams' style may transfer more to the Championship. Clough's style is probably more suited to the lower leagues and you can probably see why he was a deemed a failure at clubs like Sheffield United.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I love all of this rambling about poundland pep playing magical and wondrous football, the thing is though all the best managers make sure that the spine of the team is complete before trying to entertain the fans,from shankly through to cloughie and fergie they all make sure the foundations are laid before trying to build the rest of the house even our nigel clicked on eventually ,but if some want to be entertaining rather than winning far be it from me to say theyre wrong

You quoted legendary managers who operated at the very top of world football.

Not really relatable to managers in the 4th tier

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

The same clough whos team could be 10 points in front of you if we win our games in hand ,williams has done well for you but i honestly think hes over rated mainly because of the goals you concede

How many seasons has Clough had at L2 level? How many goes has he had to get it right? This is William's first after all.

Clough is clearly a talented manager managing at Championship level but as mentioned he's a lower league successful manager . He's much older, has more experience and has an identifiable and obvious ceiling. Williams is a largely unproven, inexperienced but exciting young manager with clear and obvious potential.

He's been great and brought entertainment to more and more Notts and of course Forest fans.

 

[AdamStag]

I’m not entirely sure that’s completely fair considering the circumstances Clough had at Sheff and more importantly Derby maybe you are not aware, but obviously at the same time Cloughhas spent most of his career in L1/2 because that’s what he’s proven to be good at.

If you ask Clough what his greatest managerial achievement is he’ll probably say keeping Burton up in the championship.

If Williams can learn on the job how to coach and set up a team better in defence he’ll be very successful, hope it goes well for him to be honest.

They're very different indeed. I wish Williams all the best, clearly he would need some assistance on the recruitment side, but as Jacob said, this doesn't appear to be his decision alone.

At present he isn't comparable to Clough at all given what Clough has achieved, but as Viking points out, of course he's much younger. He’ll always have a place in mansfield fans hearts for that win over main/arch rivals chesterfield last season.

He could turn out to be the next big thing, or he could flop and 3 years down the line folk are asking "who"? There’s no way dismal clough could compete though, for entertainment wise all you’ve got to do is look at the goals conceded column, he’s got no chance on that front!

One thing that does increasingly seem to be occurring in football is that it's "do or die" on steroids at present, the level of patience of fans across the board is remarkably poor - hopefully he’s given time if needed.