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We always hear the health scares about various foods and its the turn of processed meats.

Are we going to start seeing a lot of people turn vegetarians now!?

Looking at the links below it seems this isn't the first time such a story has come out.

Processed meats - such as bacon, sausages and ham - do cause cancer, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.

Meanwhile, it said red meats were "probably carcinogenic" but there was limited evidence.

But the WHO said meat did also have health benefits

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34615621
 

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If you eat sausages and bacon every day it's not good for you. Hardly ground breaking or shocking stuff is it?

I had sausages and bacon for breaky yesterday for the first time in a few weeks, touch wood I'm not gonna drop dead tomorrow.

Yes we probably do eat more meat than our bodies were intended to eat, just like we probably eat more sugar or fat etc, but damn it leaves just aren't very tasty! And of course healthy food is so much more expensive than proceed food. I'd prefer we tried to tackle the cost of good food, rather than artificially bump up the price of bad food through sugar taxes and suchlike, or beat people with the nanny state stick.

I mean when was the last time you walked into a supermarket, and the BOGOF deals at the front of the store as you walk in were salads and veggies? Instead it's always biscuits and cake, which is always tempting! Grinds my gears that, personally.
 

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And of course healthy food is so much more expensive than proceed food.

Can't agree with that. I was surprised how cheap vegetables were when I came back to visit earlier this year. Can't grumble at summat like 50p for a whole cucumber. How much are your BOGOF cakes normally? Over a quid? Buying two full price cucumbers is still cheaper.
 

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Can't agree with that. I was surprised how cheap vegetables were when I came back to visit earlier this year. Can't grumble at summat like 50p for a whole cucumber. How much are your BOGOF cakes normally? Over a quid? Buying two full price cucumbers is still cheaper.

I think a big problem is the number of people who a) don't have the time to put together a meal from scratch which often leads to b) people not being arsed to learn how to cook and put together a good healthy home made dish.

Processed foods are just generally so much easier to consume unfortunately particularly for our generation. If things are to change, it'll have to be through the education system i.e. basic cooking classes in secondary school or saink. That's the only realistic way I can imagine eating habits to change.
 
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So i should live to be a hundred not having eaten meat for some years now? Then again i smoke and drink so i'm probably doomed to die soon :sad:
 

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I think a big problem is the number of people who a) don't have the time to put together a meal from scratch which often leads to b) people not being arsed to learn how to cook and put together a good healthy home made dish.

Processed foods are just generally so much easier to consume unfortunately particularly for our generation. If things are to change, it'll have to be through the education system i.e. basic cooking classes in secondary school or saink. That's the only realistic way I can imagine eating habits to change.

Agree with the first paragraph mate. More so b) than a) though. Feel sure it's more a case of people not being arsed than not having time, generally speaking.

A bit of education would go a long way too, aye. I just don't reckon the government is at all interested in getting folk to eat healthy, despite what they may say.

Loads of quick and easy meals out there if folk can be arsed to learn a few from somewhere, though. Like, the whole point of a stir fry is that the cooking part only takes a few minutes. Could probably knock one up quicker than you could get down to your Chinese and back with one.

As an aside, a friend of mine uses these guys. Seems a good initiative, although maybe indicative of the times that it's even a thing.
 

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http://impossiblefoods.com/

Very interesting what Impossible Foods are doing and if true would certainly be a big step forward. I guess it will all boil down to how much. There are plenty of low fat spreads out there, such as May with no eggs and virtually no fat, but £7 for a tiny jar is where the trouble comes into paradise.
 

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Agree with the first paragraph mate. More so b) than a) though. Feel sure it's more a case of people not being arsed than not having time, generally speaking.

A bit of education would go a long way too, aye. I just don't reckon the government is at all interested in getting folk to eat healthy, despite what they may say.

Loads of quick and easy meals out there if folk can be arsed to learn a few from somewhere, though. Like, the whole point of a stir fry is that the cooking part only takes a few minutes. Could probably knock one up quicker than you could get down to your Chinese and back with one.

As an aside, a friend of mine uses these guys. Seems a good initiative, although maybe indicative of the times that it's even a thing.
I ran a cooking workshop last week in partnership with the local food bank to try and show people a few simple recipes and I think some of the people who attended were genuinely shocked by how simple cooking from scratch can be. I'm going to try and make it a regular thing if the interest is there.
 

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I ran a cooking workshop last week in partnership with the local food bank to try and show people a few simple recipes and I think some of the people who attended were genuinely shocked by how simple cooking from scratch can be. I'm going to try and make it a regular thing if the interest is there.

I think that would be a very good thing to do.
 

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Have to dispute that healthy food is more expensive. I made a 3 bean chilli from scratch for a few quid yesterday. One pot and it took about half an hour to make and we got 4 meals out of it. How much is the convenience stuff? £2-4 for a meal that feeds one?

Anyway the news that we shouldn't eat processed meat isn't really new information I suppose it's getting reported because it's the first time the WHO have come out and reported it.

Agree about the BOGOF offers they are talking about restricting those under the sugar tax which is a good idea to be fair.

I think bad eating habits start from a young age. Parents feel they don't have the time cook, there isn't a set meal time anymore because people work different hours and so kids are brought up eating what they can when they can.

Definitely there needs to be more education about nutrition and how to make easy satisfying meals. In school I got taught how to bake that was about it.

There has been a good program on bbc one about families over shopping recently but it's also covered a lot of healthy eating stuff and promoted cooking from scratch which is also good to see.

People are in denial about this risk anyway or simply don't care going from my facebook feed. I think there are to many scare stories out there now that people just don't take them seriously.
 
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There is a lot of nonsense spoken about the relative cost of eating healthily compared with the cost of processed convenience foods. I buy a large, free range chicken for £12 which might seem expensive but once my family of four has had a roast dinner, chicken sandwiches for tea a chicken curry the following day and I've turned the carcass into stock for a soup it becomes not only affordable but bloody frugal. I'm not having the no time to cook reason for eating crap either. Batch cooking, a slow cooker, portioning and freezing your meals are all ways to eat properly, frugally and conveniently.
As others above have said education is the key.
 

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I recently bought a slow cooker and can't believe i hadn't done so earlier. I knock up a vegetable stew or hotpot enough for 4 meals and freeze what we don't east for another day,it's so cheap to buy fresh veg these days.
 

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I recently bought a slow cooker and can't believe i hadn't done so earlier. I knock up a vegetable stew or hotpot enough for 4 meals and freeze what we don't east for another day,it's so cheap to buy fresh veg these days.
They are great. I've got 2 :bg:. Microwaveable portion containers are also really useful. I've got loads of stuff portioned and frozen down, chilli, lasagne, curries and stews. Absolutely brilliant for when I get in from work. I tried to freeze down Cajun savoury rice but that didn't seem to work:dk:
 

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They are great. I've got 2 :bg:. Microwaveable portion containers are also really useful. I've got loads of stuff portioned and frozen down, chilli, lasagne, curries and stews. Absolutely brilliant for when I get in from work. I tried to freeze down Cajun savoury rice but that didn't seem to work:dk:
I buy microveable containers from the pound shop in Wells. Only had the slow cooker for a while but i've got a hotpot and veggie curry in the freezer for when we're feeling lazy. I found a couple of slow recipe cookbooks in charity shops in the last week so will get more confident in doing something different,even a fool like me can't go wrong with that.
 

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Without going to far off topic what slow cookers do you have?

I went on a diet and nutrition course last year and ever since nutrition as fascinated me. Considering doing it at Uni when I'm much older and feel I can commit to it.

Also one more thing they should change is sneaky labeling. So much of the traffic light coding for unhealthy food shows the amounts for half the product. Or putting that something is a "source of fiber" just to make it look healthy. Very annoying.
 

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I've tried a slow cooker but couldn't get on with it. What I do have though is a large 5 litre cast iron casserole that I slow cook stuff in the oven with. It's the best thing I cook with, I can cook a 10 portion beef curry for about a quid a portion. I love the winter because all I do is slow cooked one pot meals. Lovely.
 

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I just don't reckon the government is at all interested in getting folk to eat healthy, despite what they may say.

Whatever gave you that impression? Apart from maybe this plan that got shelved or this report that the government are proposing to ignore (I'm quite sure that neither have anything WHATSOEVER to do with the powerful lobbyists from the drinks and sugar industries that DEFINITELY WON'T have been in the government's ear).
 

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I've had FIVE SAUSAGES (ahem) and some CHORIZO today so this news is rather ILL-TIMED

I had my ASDA delivery (planned in advance of this news breaking of course) today. Bacon, sausages and pastrami - all the big hitters were there. I'm still pacing the floor now.
 

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If God didn't want us to eat meat, He wouldn't have made it taste nice.
 

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I had my ASDA delivery (planned in advance of this news breaking of course) today. Bacon, sausages and pastrami - all the big hitters were there. I'm still pacing the floor now.
I hope the delivery driver dressed as the Grim Reaper.
 

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Doesn't eating meat daily increase the likelihood of developing bowel cancer from 6 per 100 people to 7 per 100 people. Eating processed meat daily makes you 0.18 times more likely to get bowel cancer in your life.

For comparison, smokers are 25 times more likely to get lung cancer than non-smokers.

You can all calm down.
 

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Also if it's from a good butcher then there is nothing to worry about either. I wonder if cavemen got arse cancer with all the meat they ate?
 

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Paleolithic humans probably ate very little meat.
 
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Probably better off looking at your family medical history before studies like this. A lot of it also seems like basic common sense: rather than worrying about the carcinogenic properties of certain red meats, be holistic in your approach to health and work on dealing effectively with stress, mental health issues, alcohol intake and a variety of other factors just as, if not more, likely to send you to put you in the grave. But not just to lengthen your lifespan, to improve the quality of your life, which I think is more important.
 

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Doesn't eating meat daily increase the likelihood of developing bowel cancer from 6 per 100 people to 7 per 100 people. Eating processed meat daily makes you 0.18 times more likely to get bowel cancer in your life.

For comparison, smokers are 25 times more likely to get lung cancer than non-smokers.

You can all calm down.

Thanks for that, I can enjoy my bacon sandwich now.
 

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A ham sandwich cob is quite excessive though, bread wise.
 

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