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Kiddy beat Reading but I wouldn't say they are ready for a crack at the Championship.
Boreham Wood comfortably beat Wimbledon though from what I heard. They're not mugs at all.

Shocks do happen but if that Boreham Wood team were in L2 this season, they'd be nowhere near relegation.

My mate who supports us but lives near Oldham goes to watch them a fair few times a season when we're away etc. He's fairly level headed but says we'd beat Oldham 9 times out of 10. He says there's only 2 or 3 Oldham players that would get in our matchday squad.
 

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Boreham Wood comfortably beat Wimbledon though from what I heard. They're not mugs at all.

Shocks do happen but if that Boreham Wood team were in L2 this season, they'd be nowhere near relegation.
The one thing I will say about L2 is that squad size comes into it a lot more. Borehamwood's starting XI and current bench might do well there but while they'll be looking a bit thin after a few injuries and suspension they're up against the likes of Exeter and Crewe bringing through their youth, the likes of Bradford constantly having about 5 200k wingers in their squad, clubs actually going about their business relatively sensibly and steadily adding to their squad every window like FGR and yo-yo clubs like Northampton who are essentially kitted out for a L1 relegation battle all the time. Even Crawley and Stevenage have a bit of depth, usually in the form of players that failed at your club and are now world beaters.
 

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Boreham Wood comfortably beat Wimbledon though from what I heard. They're not mugs at all.

Shocks do happen but if that Boreham Wood team were in L2 this season, they'd be nowhere near relegation.

My mate who supports us but lives near Oldham goes to watch them a fair few times a season when we're away etc. He's fairly level headed but says we'd beat Oldham 9 times out of 10. He says there's only 2 or 3 Oldham players that would get in our matchday squad.
Oldham have been crap for ages from what I've seen. You would indeed spank them. They're one of the few clubs I think I could genuinely point to as being a bigger shitshow than us over the last few years. The fact that we've beaten them to get down here is quite impressive failure on our part.
 

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It’s hard to compare the levels directly really, but comparing Notts teams I would say that the current side is a comfortably better team than the one that made the League Two play-offs in 18/19. That side was carried a bit by the two Forest loanees, Grant and Yates, to be fair, but there was six or seven mainstays in that team (Brisley, Duffy, Tootle, Hewitt, Alessandra etc) that wouldn’t get a look in here currently.
 

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You all thought he was great in the summer though. Knows the division etc etc.

Tbf so did I, thought you'd be a cert for the playoffs.

That run of form should be a sackable offence for any manager of any Brotherhood club in any league, nevermind this tinpot one.

Can Hurst ride this storm out with the beleaguered Mariners?

If he's sacked he'll never get another league job. He'll end up at Solihull as one of their scrum coaches.
I still maintain that Hurst is one of the better managers in the division. He's the only one (who isn't a known thug/cheat/scumbag) to have won promotion as manager from this division for starters. I think he'll need another window or two before we really start to see him make his mark. We started this season like a rocket and now we've absolutely plummeted but on balance we're not that far behind where you'd expect us to be overall. Our results all season haven't told the full story, both when we were winning and now that we're losing most of our matches. The moves we make and how fast we make them in this window are going to be pivotal in terms of whether or not we make the playoffs.

The whole never get another league thing is a ridiculous there. I've seen plenty of managers who should never get a job in the league and Paul Hurst most certainly isn't one of them.
 
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I'd argue that Hewitt would be at least worth a look in if you played him at CB and not RB or CM.

Really it’s a bit unfair comparing those teams as the one under Nolan was a functional, direct but pretty effective side and Burchnall’s style is pretty much the complete opposite. So you get players like Hewitt who I thought was sound for us but isn’t good enough on the ball for what we’re doing now. It’s crazy to think we made (and were absolutely robbed in) the play-offs with him in central midfield considering the quality on the ball we have in there a league below now.
 

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League Two is mostly shite just in general too. We all want promotion because we want promotion, not because I want to play 3/4's of that league. Look at a League Two table, it's full of some proper boring rubbish.

The only teams in League Two I'd be looking forward to play are Tranmere (currently in an auto spot so may not be there), Port Vale (play off spot- ditto Tranmere), Leyton Orient, Bradford, Rochdale and Oldham (good chance of going down).

Funnily enough if Notts County, Wrexham, Grimsby and Chesterfield were in there I'd probably mention them.

The only half decent one who will probably come down from League One is Crewe and that's just because it's local. Bolton are lower than I thought but should be fine.
 

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It’s hard to compare the levels directly really, but comparing Notts teams I would say that the current side is a comfortably better team than the one that made the League Two play-offs in 18/19. That side was carried a bit by the two Forest loanees, Grant and Yates, to be fair, but there was six or seven mainstays in that team (Brisley, Duffy, Tootle, Hewitt, Alessandra etc) that wouldn’t get a look in here currently.
Said it before but L2 is a better standard.
 

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Said it before but L2 is a better standard.
It obviously is overall but the top 10 teams in the National League would stay up with comfort in it. There's no other league you can say that about.

If you guys had kept Armstrong, Oates and kept Challinor for the whole season, you'd be knocking on the door for the play-offs in L2 this season IMO.
 

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It obviously is overall but the top 10 teams in the National League would stay up with comfort in it. There's no other league you can say that about.

If you guys had kept Armstrong, Oates and kept Challinor for the whole season, you'd be knocking on the door for the play-offs in L2 this season IMO.

Aye, there’s clearly a gap, but I think also clearly the smallest gap between any other national divisions. Probably a natural function of two-up, two-down.
 

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Aye, proper madness that. Just because the top 8 down here is full of Brothers it doesn't mean we are any good or could cope in L2.

Teams are getting pushed around down here by Halifax and Borehamwood, that should tell you everything.
Teams are getting pushed around in L2 by Sutton Utd. BW and Halifax would be fine IMO
 

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Stags are on a decent league run but lost 0 2 at tinpot Sutton, Notts doubled Sutton last season so are a better side than Mansfield, works for me
 

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Stags are on a decent league run but lost 0 2 at tinpot Sutton, Notts doubled Sutton last season so are a better side than Mansfield, works for me
The logic checks out
 

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This is the wildest take I've ever seen, the top 8 of the National League is better than 3/4's of the league above?

You been on the PCP this morning?

I accept slight hyperbole (although not as much as your 'wildest take ever seen' reaction) but I think the bottom half of League 2 is no better. Teams like Stevenage came 14th last season in League 2. They were absolutely woeful. It is full of bad teams trying to not finish bottom 2. I've seen Southend lose to everyone in League 1, League 2 and the NL for 3.5 years and the good sides in this league are far better than much of League 2 were.

Play the top 8 of this league against the bottom 8 of League 2 on neutral ground. I would put good money on the National League sides winning more than they lose.

If you apply logic to it, it makes sense. Check the budgets and where the higher entry barrier is situated. That nobody gets near struggling after promotion to League 2 says it all.
 
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If you guys had kept Armstrong, Oates and kept Challinor for the whole season, you'd be knocking on the door for the play-offs in L2 this season IMO.
We are weaker than last season, we do have a much bigger squad now but other than a few outside the 1st XI, they are bottom half NL players. You could argue Neill Byrne we got from Halifax is an upgrade on Ryan Johnson but overall its weaker especially in attack.

Having said that, it is a better more professional league in comparison, you get punished more, less time on the ball and teams are fitter across the board. It's a gap but not massive and can be bridged by a club coming up with momentum. The better sides up here are much stronger than anything I've seen in NL. Quality wise they are on a higher level.
 

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We would get beaten comfortably by all of the top 10 in this division. I've watched quite a few games on BT and every team I have watched looks better than we do. Whoever goes up will do really well in L2 next year, especially if it's Stockport or Wrexham as they will most likely have one of the larger budgets in the league.
 

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1) You only included results since the current Halifax formed. Good to see you've stopped pretending you're an ex-league club.

2) Our results at your place 2013-2016 give us an accurate reflection of where our clubs currently stand? Good logic there mate.

3) I'd say if anything those results show that it's been pretty even between the two sides over the last decade (except for the majority of it when we were in a higher division).

4) Yeah it's pretty tedious having to correct you all the time to be fair.
1) See 2 below
2) Logic? See your "point" 1! :fl:
3) FIVE wins to TWO- dream on!
4) Ditto

Do you really want to continue to embarrass yourself like this, LOSER? :ds:
 

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We would get beaten comfortably by all of the top 10 in this division. I've watched quite a few games on BT and every team I have watched looks better than we do. Whoever goes up will do really well in L2 next year, especially if it's Stockport or Wrexham as they will most likely have one of the larger budgets in the league.
You forgot furlough fc
 

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Oldham have been crap for ages from what I've seen. You would indeed spank them. They're one of the few clubs I think I could genuinely point to as being a bigger shitshow than us over the last few years. The fact that we've beaten them to get down here is quite impressive failure on our part.
Having been in non league once, it's in your DNA now, Loser. :ds:
 

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We are weaker than last season, we do have a much bigger squad now but other than a few outside the 1st XI, they are bottom half NL players. You could argue Neill Byrne we got from Halifax is an upgrade on Ryan Johnson but overall its weaker especially in attack.

Having said that, it is a better more professional league in comparison, you get punished more, less time on the ball and teams are fitter across the board. It's a gap but not massive and can be bridged by a club coming up with momentum. The better sides up here are much stronger than anything I've seen in NL. Quality wise they are on a higher level.
The higher you go the tougher it gets. The strikers miss less chances, defenders get punished more, better players think quicker, more are two footed, the list goes on.
Having said that, our current team would beat our relegation team I think.
 

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Halifax won't go up auto. Their best hope is play offs
 

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1) See 2 below
2) Logic? See your "point" 1! :fl:
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Aye.. should Lynn have had a penalty moments earlier though? Or shoulder to shoulder? Looks a bit clumsy from Brindley.. have most definitely seen them given at this level!

I think it was a foul but outside the box looking at the replay, so we were a bit lucky there for sure, but am not sure it would’ve made a huge difference (unless they’d stuck the free kick in the top corner I guess) the way the momentum was at that point.
 

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