Pools v Leyton Orient on the telly

[E10rifle]

See, I don't mind us dropping points/getting turned over by teams that can string two passes together, like Oxford and Accrington. But it's games like this, against utter shite (see also: Crawley, Carlisle, Cambridge in particular) that really get me down. Blame has to lie squarely at Hendon's feet.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

I find it somewhat amusing that following Hendon's loan comments, the lad they have from Palace has netted twice.

 

[hellogregory]

See, I don't mind us dropping points/getting turned over by teams that can string two passes together, like Oxford and Accrington. But it's games like this, against utter shite (see also: Crawley, Carlisle, Cambridge in particular) that really get me down. Blame has to lie squarely at Hendon's feet.

Utter shite maybe, but we're also exactly level on points with you.
So if we're utter shite, you are equally utter shite.

 

[Vanni]

The third goal was an excellent piece of skill, but tbh, 3-1 is a bit harsh on the Orient. At HT I was sure LO were going to take something out of the match, but the unpredictability of it all is one of the reasons why we all love footy I guess.

Oh, I need to make an appointment at specsavers asap because I didn't see the hands for the pen, even after watching the replays

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Ha, it was a clear handball. One of the most rediculous handballs I've ever seen. Just no reason to...

 

[E10rifle]

Utter shite maybe, but we're also exactly level on points with you.
So if we're utter shite, you are equally utter shite.

Sorry, I was being a little ambiguous. I was speaking about those specific matches, not about the sides as a whole.

 

[cufc17]

Hartlepool were shite until they went 3-1 up and that was only because Orient knew there was no way back. Dunne gave Pools the 3pts with 2 stupid mistakes, it was the only ways they were going to score. The 3rd goal was nice though.
Orient look like a top half side, but Hartlepool look like a bottom 8 side.

 

[Pooliekev]

We may be utter shite, but, well............

 

[Pooliepride]

We were rubbish as we have been all season. Orient kept the ball well but didn't do much with it. We did much less with the ball, but with the help of Dunne, won 3-1. We looked much more balanced when Oyenuga went off, and the third goal was real nice. Another 3 points towards safety .

 

[The Terminator]

That game summed us up, have a lot of the play and possession and create chances - but hopeless as a team at defending.

We need to score first and kill teams quickly off to stand a chance at winning games.

Hartlepool sat deep and let us have the ball and played on the counter, they had 3 chances all game and took them, which you can't grumble at, Bates played well for them at the back.

We focus our game through Ollie Palmer who is poor in front of goal and in the six yard box and Alan Dunne was awful for us and his handball for me cost us the game.

Hendons management has been awful, to fail to get in loaners as cover for 2 positions all week after refusing to bolster the squad in the summer is poor.

The sooner he is sacked the better, he bottled coming over to the fans at the end as well and sent the players instead. They didn't perform badly at times today, and the effort is there, but the quality of some of them and the managers all round structure and tactics is pissing us all off.

 

[Sestonpoolie]

Orient pissed all over us in the possesion stakes,but created loads of chances ? You created 2.One led to the goal & one header straight at Carson.While being utter shyte for 70 minutes,we did create more.

 

[The Terminator]

Orient pissed all over us in the possesion stakes,but created loads of chances ? You created 2.One led to the goal & one header straight at Carson.While being utter shyte for 70 minutes,we did create more.

Carson had to make two saves in the first half as well.

 

[Pooliekev]

Yeah, but he did didn't he?

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

He denied Baudry (lol, our cb had most efforts) at the near post in the first half for sure.

 

[Soup Ladle]

Must be said we are a pretty awful side. There was only one team resembling a football side in the first hour and it wasn't us.

We would not have won without Naismith and Gray in particular, who both look like good signings for a month. But that's the problem, it's only short term. Ronnie has really fucked it up this season I must say. he's signed a number of duffers (admittedly though a handful of decent players) and just can't get them playing in any system or give them the motivation (as she's already admitted). So he keeps signing loanee after loanee to correct his dodgy recruitment.

A damning indictment on the state of this league is that we are truly shite but 10 points off the drop

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Only 6 off the play offs , a million times better than last season .....Ronnie said we would be using the loan system so no suprise there ....players like Gray would never sign for a league 2 team permanently , but will be sent via the loan system , hopefully an extension will be the order of the day here .....

 

[Soup Ladle]

But are we really that much better than last season or are the teams at the bottom even shitter than Tranmere and Cheltenham?

There is small improvement I'll give you that, Carson, Magnay are good signings. Paynter has done alright upfront, if only Rakish could finish. Oates has potential, Bartlett is all right back up for Carson so maybe there are some positives.

I just feel the loan signings are papering over the cracks. He hasn't strengthened the right areas. We have no one who can pass a ball which makes for woeful viewing. The defence is very liable to fall apart. There doesn't really appear to be any system or organisation about us. I worry about Moore's relationship with the players to be honest, they never really look like they want to be out there. We're just getting bailed out by loanees. I like Ronnie but haven't been impressed with him this season to be frank. Tactically we are poor.

 

[PoolieTom]

The players are there, the ability is there. The players are certainly a vast improvement on last season. With a combined starting 11, there is only Tshibola who you could argue to be in the team from last season, Compton possibly.

We don't seem to have any instructions on what to do with the ball. It's like they are playing without any management. There has been no organisation on the pitch (aside from when Bates plays). No one seems to have any clue what other players are going to do when they get the ball. We just have no tactics. And that blame lies at the managers door.

He can bring in as many loan players as the club will allow to paper over his inadequate cracks, but Coxall would be better off appointing a decent manager now using the FA Cup money before it's too late and we are skint again

 

[Pooliekev]

And there's the problem. Most Poolies seem to want the moon on a stick.

The problem wasn't over when we beat Exeter last season, it was just less difficult to solve. Who do you want as manager? Someone more experienced?

There's clear progress from last season, we were never going to go from relegation favourites to division winners over one summer. You might call loans papering over the cracks, but it was loans that kept us up last season and loans who've got us results this season Moore has never been able to play his first team this season and it's also him who brings the loans in. Arguably his best signing was suspended for nine games. At one stage he had three centre backs in the treatment room, then the fourth got sent off and suspended. Should he not have bothered with loans?

 

[PoolieTom]

I wouldn't call wanting a manager who actually manages a team 'want(ing) the moon on a stick'.

'It was loans that kept us up last season' 'loans who've got us results this season' - even with these quotes are you suggesting that no cracks are being papered over? I'm not sure what loan signings have to do with Moore being tactically inept in this league, though. He can sign any amounts of world beaters, but if he insists that they drop off at all costs, don't venture forward too much, and whatever you do, don't keep possession of the ball, then said world beaters would look pretty shit too.

We have the nucleus of a good side. Add in a couple of decent signings/loanings whatever, and a manager who can actually give out tactics, and we wouldn't be in the shit we are in right now.

 

[Pooliekev]

Did you read the bit about injuries and suspensions? They may well be the cracks you're talking about. Last season we were dogshit but that's what Cooper turned us into, not Moore. This season it is his team but he's never been able to pick it. When was the last time we fielded the same team twice in sucession? Yes, before the injuries and suspensions started. At the beginning of the season when we were doing well.

OK, who? Everybody who calls for managers to be sacked never seems to have a plan except sack the manager. He's got a recent contract so that'd be your TV money gone in paying him up.

 

[PoolieTom]

The cracks are Moore's (non) tactics, substitutions, team selections, ideas, creativty. Nothing to do with injuries and suspensions. Like I said, it doesn't matter what players Moore has, if you don't give them any tactics, they are going to look shit.

It was obviously a silly decision giving Moore a 3 year contract, and a rash one at that, made by the new owner to get the fans on his side.

It ain't going to happen, so no point speculating on who could get the job. Maybe appointing a scout who actually feeds information back to Moore would be a good start.

 

[Sestonpoolie]

It's no coincidence that when we had no injuries & Moore could pick his best 11,we won the first 4 games .
Who said he signed a 3 year deal?
It's never been stated anywhere.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

I thought I'd read it somewhere and I've worked on that assumption whilst pontificating here and Into The Blue ..... I f I was a betting man I'd bet on me being wrong ... as for is this season full of bad teams , well possibly , but in all my time watching Pools , the first half of last season was the worst by a long way

 

[Pooliekev]

It's no coincidence that when we had no injuries & Moore could pick his best 11,we won the first 4 games .
Who said he signed a 3 year deal?
It's never been stated anywhere.

We won the first four games with the second choice goalkeeper. It's easy to forget. Then Worley got injured. Then Magnay got suspended, Duckworth was still out. Then Woods got suspended, Then Magnay got suspended again. Then Jones got injured. Then Harrison got sent off, injured and suspended. Then Bingham pulled his hamstring. Then Paynter did his achilles. Then Magnus got injured.

But yeah, sack the manager.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

They fixed the speakers in the Town End though , it wouldn't surprise me if Ronnie brought his own ladders in and sorted that out himself

 

[Soup Ladle]

I don't think any sane Poolie would want him sacked at the moment but he definitely needs to up his game. I'm prepared to give him plenty of time, I'm happy to let him mould the side, addressing the weaknesses he previously hasn't but I would like him to send out a side that's well-organised, motivated and has some plan with what to do with the ball in possession. At the moment, there's little of that.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

He said from the off he was going to use the loan system , now he has 23 loanees in we can judge him properly

 

[PoolieTom]

It's no coincidence that when we had no injuries & Moore could pick his best 11,we won the first 4 games ..

Worley and Paynter aside, Moore could've picked the same team on Sunday. Worley was replaced by a player who could've almost certainly been made man of the match for the past 3 games, and Paynter was replaced by a (on-the-fringes-of-the-first-team) Premier League player. Moore chose to drop 5 of those players who started the first game to the bench. Not sure how you can say that was his best 11.

Moore did what we needed him to do; come in and rescue us from relegation. He give the players a bit of fight, a bit of confidence, and mixed in with a lot of luck, he managed the impossible. He has made some very good signings this year. I am sure that, come March he will be able to motivate the players again to avoid relegation. However, to take us into the next level, he is out of his depth. We can be content with avoiding relegation for 3 years if we want, and Moore will do that, or we could back a decent manager and push on. I know which I would prefer..

 

[Pooliekev]

Then if it's not going to happen, why keep grinding on about it? Do we just go to the decent manager tree and pluck one? Out of his depth? He's managed in the Championship.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I'm not participating in in-fighting on a national board. We have our own boards for that.