Premier League u21 sides to play in JPT

[joethegill]

It needed 90% approval. Do the maths.

If you'd been paying attention, you'd know that the threshold for approval was considerably less than 90%. Do your research.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Wonder how much the FA have paid each club to vote yes.

 

[blademan89]

There won't be a boycott and the clubs that draw man utd,Liverpool away up north will take thousands. Same for the ones down south who get arsenal,Chelsea away. And no doubt if the smaller clubs get any of the big boys at home it will probably be there biggest crowd of the season

 

[Liam_SWFC]

There won't be a boycott and the clubs that draw man utd,Liverpool away up north will take thousands. Same for the ones down south who get arsenal,Chelsea away. And no doubt if the smaller clubs get any of the big boys at home it will probably be there biggest crowd of the season

It's not the big boys though, it's the kids who a lot of these clubs have played year after year in friendlies. Don't think it's that attractive for any of them, and if they draw them away I can't see them playing the game at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge ect.

 

[blademan89]

It's not the big boys though, it's the kids who a lot of these clubs have played year after year in friendlies. Don't think it's that attractive for any of them, and if they draw them away I can't see them playing the game at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge ect.

I know it's the kids but it's still the big clubs. I bet if say man utd played bury at old Trafford bury would take 4/5k and there would be 25k there at least

 

[Liam_SWFC]

I know it's the kids but it's still the big clubs. I bet if say man utd played bury at old Trafford bury would take 4/5k and there would be 25k there at least

I think they'd play it at the big clubs reserve grounds rather than Old Trafford. What about if Man United have a midweek home fixture for example.

 

[blademan89]

I think they'd play it at the big clubs reserve grounds rather than Old Trafford. What about if Man United have a midweek home fixture for example.

Then it would get played the day after or day before. You might be right I don't know but I defo think man utd,lpool,Chelsea,arsenal and spurs will play at there home grounds cos people will go in numbers. City will play at there academy ground and the rest well no one will go to anyway.

 

[Muzzle]

Chelsea have retained 82...that's right, 82 players for the coming season. Tell them all to jump off a tall building with this idea

 

[JoshBCFC]

Chelsea have retained 82...that's right, 82 players for the coming season. Tell them all to jump off a tall building with this idea

Most of those won't even end up being eligible for Premier League matches...

 

[IanPVFC]

Absolutely shameful that this got voted through!

 

[Gashead]

Most of those won't even end up being eligible for Premier League matches...

Less than a third of em FFS

No wonder the youngsters need some support

 

[Chris]

Fleetwood voted against it
https://twitter.com/capboy70/status/742322532292911104

 

[The Hand of Dom]

Peterborough voted for it.

Fucking sellouts.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Pretty sure we did too.

Fucking bellends.

 

[Bottega Don]

We confirmed that we voted for the changes, I would love if we went bust.

 

[T.A]

I know it's the kids but it's still the big clubs. I bet if say man utd played bury at old Trafford bury would take 4/5k and there would be 25k there at least

In any normal cup game I would agree. However I'd hope it wouldn't be anywhere near that if we were to play United reserves. I wouldn't go anyway.

 

[blademan89]

In any normal cup game I would agree. However I'd hope it wouldn't be anywhere near that if we were to play United reserves. I wouldn't go anyway.

In a normal cup game you'd take 8/9k easily. I'd hope I was wrong but I do honestly think you would do as well as many other clubs cos after all its still a competitive fixture at old Trafford however wrong it is.

 

[Bobbin']

We probably waived our right to vote because they haven't heard of the JPT or something.

 

[Kim Mitten]

Southend Chief Exec has released a statement about why they voted yes.
He said what everyone says - either win it or go out in round 1. Currently clubs lose money unless they get to the final. He said clubs in the final make £400k.
So, with that, the minds that be at Southend voted yes, not because of the U21 teams but because of the introduction of prize money. He also states the U21 teams will get no share of gate receipts, instead every game they are involved in their share of the gate money will go into one large pot and get shared out evenly between all the L1 and L2 clubs. Getting of the group will net you £10k and the prize money rises after that.
The whole undertone of his statement is this is a gamble to save the competition, in it's current format none of the clubs want to play in it and with no sponsor (and apparently none likely) 2016/17 could well be the last season we see the Football League Trophy.

Personally do I want to see what will basically be 'B' sides - no, but the prize money at least makes this competition vaguely palatable, I reckon with the share of gate receipts alone Southend are likely to get more out of it than the League Cup. For one season we'll all just have to see how it goes. If fans really are against it and boycott (utterly unlikely when most won't even boycott when their clubs are getting screwed over) then they'll all be back round the table next June, most likely ending this competition once and for all.

 

[Wombletom]

List of clubs that have voted, either for or against. And those that have not issued a statement yet.

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/742426711577485312

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

Southend Chief Exec has released a statement about why they voted yes.
He said what everyone says - either win it or go out in round 1. Currently clubs lose money unless they get to the final. He said clubs in the final make £400k.
So, with that, the minds that be at Southend voted yes, not because of the U21 teams but because of the introduction of prize money. He also states the U21 teams will get no share of gate receipts, instead every game they are involved in their share of the gate money will go into one large pot and get shared out evenly between all the L1 and L2 clubs. Getting of the group will net you £10k and the prize money rises after that.
The whole undertone of his statement is this is a gamble to save the competition, in it's current format none of the clubs want to play in it and with no sponsor (and apparently none likely) 2016/17 could well be the last season we see the Football League Trophy.

£10k is an embarrassing attempt to reward you for three games. At £20 a ticket it's 5k fans. I reckon you lose at least 3000 fans per match for the JPT, even ignoring the fact that clubs reduce ticket prices, so this really isn't more than a drop in the ocean. And that's assuming that we price the loss of our dignity at £0.

A million times over, I would sooner not have the competition than introduce B teams. I will not attend a single game in the tournament. I am ashamed that my club voted yes.

 

[Aber gas]

List of clubs that have voted, either for or against. And those that have not issued a statement yet.

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/742426711577485312

I think one of the most important aspects in organising opposition to this folly is to show solidarity between fans. The boards of clubs voted for this not the fans. I don't think the self flaggellation helps either. We've got to organise and realise that protecting the integrity of our competitions is more important than who's got the biggest privelaged wanker as chairman. ( I'm not really directing this rant at you Tom, so I'm not sure why I quoted you apologies)

 

[LadyWomble]

Southend Chief Exec has released a statement about why they voted yes.
He said what everyone says - either win it or go out in round 1. Currently clubs lose money unless they get to the final. He said clubs in the final make £400k.
So, with that, the minds that be at Southend voted yes, not because of the U21 teams but because of the introduction of prize money. He also states the U21 teams will get no share of gate receipts, instead every game they are involved in their share of the gate money will go into one large pot and get shared out evenly between all the L1 and L2 clubs. Getting of the group will net you £10k and the prize money rises after that.
The whole undertone of his statement is this is a gamble to save the competition, in it's current format none of the clubs want to play in it and with no sponsor (and apparently none likely) 2016/17 could well be the last season we see the Football League Trophy.

Personally do I want to see what will basically be 'B' sides - no, but the prize money at least makes this competition vaguely palatable, I reckon with the share of gate receipts alone Southend are likely to get more out of it than the League Cup. For one season we'll all just have to see how it goes. If fans really are against it and boycott (utterly unlikely when most won't even boycott when their clubs are getting screwed over) then they'll all be back round the table next June, most likely ending this competition once and for all.

Christ, that's depressing beyond belief. Not having a go at you KM, just your chairman and all his counterparts who've been taken in by the FL's bullshit. If the FOOTBALL LEAGUE TROPHY can't attract a sponsor or anyone to watch it, ok, scrap it. But, oh no, suddenly the FL will start banging on about tradition when every fan in the lower leagues knows full well this is ALL about the greed-is-good league getting their B teams into our leagues. I mean, poor ickle Chelsi trying to find playing time for their 82 retained players next season and no 'emergency loans' any more; makes your heart bleed. And for what? "Getting of the group will net you £10k and the prize money rises after that." Wow, selling our souls for £10k.

My guess is Wimbledon will take the view that we've argued and voted against the proposal but we lost the argument so we'll abide by the rules of the competition, playing whatever combination of 1st team players is deemed necessary under the new rules. But I hope our fans boycott these fixtures.

I hate money-ridden modern football

 

[T.A]

Good luck getting a statement off us. We've not had any news on an Agm yet.

 

[Kim Mitten]

Christ, that's depressing beyond belief. Not having a go at you KM, just your chairman and all his counterparts who've been taken in by the FL's bullshit. If the FOOTBALL LEAGUE TROPHY can't attract a sponsor or anyone to watch it, ok, scrap it. But, oh no, suddenly the FL will start banging on about tradition when every fan in the lower leagues knows full well this is ALL about the greed-is-good league getting their B teams into our leagues. I mean, poor ickle Chelsi trying to find playing time for their 82 retained players next season and no 'emergency loans' any more; makes your heart bleed. And for what? "Getting of the group will net you £10k and the prize money rises after that." Wow, selling our souls for £10k.

My guess is Wimbledon will take the view that we've argued and voted against the proposal but we lost the argument so we'll abide by the rules of the competition, playing whatever combination of 1st team players is deemed necessary under the new rules. But I hope our fans boycott these fixtures.

I hate money-ridden modern football

Our chairman probably heard "prize money" and "extra gate receipt money" and voted yes without hearing anything else.
The Southend statement came across as very apologetic that they had voted yes but as you say the meager offerings should have made them vote against.
I also really really hope people boycott these matches, probably boycott them so there are attendances of 100 across the board, not just the U21 games but all the games and that includes the final. What a pleasing sight it would be to see 500 inside Wembley to watch Carlisle v Tottenham U21.

A saving grace could be that the likes of Arsenal play these games where they play reserve games - Boreham Wood. Grounds that don't hold much capacity to start with, if the extra revenue from the gate receipts of the premier league clubs doesn't start rolling in this idea won't get past one season.

 

[Saddlerrad]

Our 'explanation' - http://www.saddlers.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-efl-trophy-3141973.aspx

The key points -

• The club also asked our divisional representative to ensure that EFL clubs were not bound to field their strongest team – as per current rules - and could field a side at the complete discretion of our First Team Manager.

• In its current format, the competition’s appeal is declining significantly in terms of interest from football fans, clubs and broadcast partners. On average, attendances have been dropping year-on-year for the last three years. Broadcast partners who are entitled to cover six games per season have only opted to showcase three fixtures in each of the last two seasons.

• The club reserves the right to vote against U21 teams’ further involvement should clubs competing in EFL deem the new format not viable moving forward.

The club acknowledges the opinions held by many supporters and would like to reassure fans that the change in format is not a precursor to ‘B Teams’ entering the EFL structure, something the club would never support.

This is an opportunity to explore an alternative competition structure whilst gauging the temperature of the subject amongst football fans for an agreed time frame of one season.



The final statement definetely slowly brings me round to a 1 year trial. The fact we can vote U21's back out AND the club are completely against this being the start of B teams entering the league.

 

[Wombletom]

Picture the scenario, a year from now....

Premiershite clubs decide that they like their U21's playing in the paint pot and want to stay in the competition, with an eye to playing competitive league games in a league 3.

They know that there'll be teams that will vote against them so decide to withhold tv money if they don't get their own way. Or they'll toss in an insulting amount of prize money, each per club that equates to less than half a weeks earnings of one of their top players.
You'll end up with idiot fucking chairmen that will sell their clubs souls for the price of a bag of beans that are in no way fuckng magical.

Premiershite U21's, B teams. FUCK OFF and when you get there fuck off again and again and again.
You're not wanted own here.

 

[Millwall_Matt]

I was completely against this until I realised that competitive B team football might just prevent premier league clubs from inundating lower league football with loan players that provide unfair advantages to a handful of teams with those links. How often does a team in leagues one or two get promoted thanks to a couple of outstanding loan players that they could never have afforded to attracted on their own. Sacrificing the validity of the most pointless competition in world football to bolster the fairness of the real leagues might actually be a worthwhile sacrifice.

 

[GFCSludge]

Mr Scally voted against the proposals

http://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/news/article/club-trophy-efl-trophy-3142705.aspx

 

[TimeyWimey]

People who have 'no interest in this competition' need to finally have an interest now.

This is the end of the lower leagues if lower league fans do not FINALLY take a stand against being sh*t on by them in charge.

100% if this goes through and fans do like they did with MK Dons and just finally 'accept it as my team need support' you will get B teams in L1/2 and our set-up completely ditched in order to help the top 6-7 sides play their youth.

a massed boycott across the entire board rejecting the entire idea is what will be needed...............unfortunately the majority of lower league fans are gutless cowards who hide behind some 'loyalty' to cop-out of protesting and just accept

that and complete and utter attack on owners who voted yes.

Saw some Crewe tweets suggesting they like the idea and this post came to mind. It should be pinned on the turnstiles on every club.

Looking at how the U-21's can feature up to 4 over-21s (hang on, this is all about youth development innit?) and games to be played at first team stadiums, the Football League and Premier League know there's zero attraction in playing U-21s. So they will sell it to the Sky Sports generation: a trip to Old Trafford to see a half-fit Michael Carrick, what more could you want? Ground work for B teams sorted.

This "we'd never support B teams in the league" (which seems to have appeared on every statement) is also just a bit of fluff isn't it? They clearly aren't completely opposed to Premier League clubs sending their dregs to entertain us in return for the smallest of brown envelopes, so it's not much of a stretch for a beefier brown envelope to twist their arm.