Relegation Thread 2017/18

[BeesKnees]

Yayy!!

Still bottom

 

[Clarkey_GTFC]

Don't worry, we're on our way.

 

[valefan16]

Don't worry, we're on our way.

We’re having that spot!

 

[TimeyWimey]

Just drawn our only winnable game this month.

 

[JJ1532]

Just drawn our only winnable game this month.

Yep, 4 top half sides to come now. That win feels close....

 

[Fuzzyvalefan]

If two sides are going to finish below us they are gonna have to be really dreadful.

 

[JJ1532]

Tell you what, it could be a race to the bottom. The Vale and Grimsby are in freefall, the Alex can't buy a win at the moment, Chesterfield have dropped off in recent weeks. Barnet and FGR are showing signs of life, but still have a lot of work to do. Yeovil and Morecambe are in the shit still as well. Could be a case of who is the least shit.

 

[Buxton Vale]

I cant wait for this season to finish after todays shambles. What happened to the team that beat Luton and Coventry in December?

I still think we have enough to survive, but we cant win a game at the moment.

 

[GTFCfish]

If two sides are going to finish below us they are gonna have to be really dreadful.

 

[Chris FGR]

Could be a case of who is the least shit.

Seems that the teams in the pack above the drop zone are actually looking a bit shitter then the ones in and around it, but have the advantage of points on the board. Grimsby seem absolutely dire but all they probably need is 3 wins, which they'll get.

 

[Crewelad87]

I was always pretty confident we would shithouse our way to safety in typical Crewe style. But this is comfortably the worst team I've ever seen, so have no idea where they could take us. I just have no idea where the next win comes. Certainly not the next 4 games which are tough.

 

[valefan16]

If two sides are going to finish below us they are gonna have to be really dreadful.

The issue at the moment is the amount of self inflicted goals we are conceding. The highlights yesterday are calamatous. Their lad got a hatrick must be thinking it’s Christmas morning such we’re the gifts he got! First goes through Laintons body, second Lainton cleans out the defender leaving him a tap in and the third Pugh is dis possessed without making an effort... add to that Cheltenham’s third which was another loss of possession around our own box and a free header from a corner for the fifth and it makes dreadful Sunday league viewing. They literally had to do nothing to earn the 5-1 win and we have two far better opponents up next two in which we need a big reaction and improvement to avoid a repeat.

Think back to games recently though, Yeovil and Colchester’s first were identical where the shot bobbled about 5mph past the keeper who should of saved both... Colchester’s second was unbelievablely poor defending from Jules who just stopped. We can’t keep giving away goals how we are and expect to turn things around.

Pope’s come out and said it won’t be tolerated again on his watch but he can’t defend them all himself! Feels like some players can’t really be arsed at the moment and again confidence is at rock bottom.

How the same side that was so good in December can be so bad now is baffling.

 

[MrGloverLover]

Yesterday was a shit game and proved why both us and Crewe are where we are in the table. They were a bit better than us but 0-0 was an appropriate scoreline for that dross. At least we're now 8 points clear of the dropzone with a much better GD.

 

[TimeyWimey]

It was one of the worst games I've seen for a while. Against a better team either side would have been soundly beaten.

Amusing how many fans think they are going down. Join the club. Our best chance is to hit the bottom asap, which is the only way there is even a .5% of Artell getting the boot. He's here till the summer though, we'd rather risk league status than have to look elsewhere (this is a local club for local people).

I'm pretty sure we won't top 45 points. Everyone from Vale upwards will. Will Morecambe, FGR, Chesterfield, Barnet?

 

[PaulHaddock]

It was one of the worst games I've seen for a while. Against a better team either side would have been soundly beaten.

Amusing how many fans think they are going down. Join the club. Our best chance is to hit the bottom asap, which is the only way there is even a .5% of Artell getting the boot. He's here till the summer though, we'd rather risk league status than have to look elsewhere (this is a local club for local people).

I'm pretty sure we won't top 45 points. Everyone from Vale upwards will. Will Morecambe, FGR, Chesterfield, Barnet?

At the rate we’ve been going we won’t. That could now change now Slade’s gone but it’s 50/50 whether we kick on from here.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

I'm pretty sure we won't top 45 points. Everyone from Vale upwards will. Will Morecambe, FGR, Chesterfield, Barnet?

I'm pinning my hopes on a slight upturn in form that if anything will only improve a bit more, one and a bit ppg over the last eight (3 wins 5 defeats), keep that up and we should scrape 46 pts or maybe more, and at least be better than two others.

 

[Laker]

I think second bottom will get about 43 points. There’s too many teams not picking up many points down there.

 

[AdamStag]

I think second bottom will get about 43 points. There’s too many teams not picking up many points down there.

Exactly.

You've got 4 sides all collecting below a point a game.

Chesterfield would need 1.53 points a game for the next 15 games when they've been going at 0.87 points for 31 games - not likely.

The last 3 seasons you've not needed to be anywhere close.

47 points - 16/17 (above Hartlepool and Orient)
42 points - 14/15 (above Cheltenham and tranmere)
35 points!!! - 15/16 (above York and Dagenham)

 

[CFC91]

We're in trouble in my eyes, just can't see us stringing a win or two together whereas I feel FGR will. I thought Barnet were down but even they look decent when they want to be. Massive game at home tomorrow night, the 3rd of 3 home games I said were winnnable, we lost the first 2 so if we don't win this we deserve to go down.

 

[dedwardp]

Chesterfield would need 1.53 points a game for the next 15 games when they've been going at 0.87 points for 31 games - not likely.

These things happen though, particularly when you get closer to the end of the season.

Before the last two games, Chesterfield had picked up 22 points from their previous 16 - so that's 1.375ppg and would give them another 20/21 points come the season's end if they continued that way, leaving them on 47/48.

Similarly, Forest Green have picked up 23 points from their last 18 games (1.27ppg) which would give them 19 more points, leaving them on 48. Or for a smaller sample, they have nine from the last six games (1.5ppg) since the transfer window opened which would take them to 51/52 points and safety.

So it isn't unreasonable to think you'd still need to get to circa 50 points this season.

 

[springerbfc]

We've given ourselves a real shot in the arm with the win over Notts but need to back it up at Yeovil, who are one of the sides we could conceivably catch (albeit unlikely). A draw would be good but a win and we would be right back in touch with a few of our fellow $hitesters.

Lots of the bottom sides still have to play each other so it could well turn out to be a low points tally required to stay up, but extremely dangerous to think that way. We have to aim for 52 points which is 27 points from the next 15 games, which looks pretty unlikely right now...

 

[AdamStag]

These things happen though, particularly when you get closer to the end of the season.

Before the last two games, Chesterfield had picked up 22 points from their previous 16 - so that's 1.375ppg and would give them another 20/21 points come the season's end if they continued that way, leaving them on 47/48.

Similarly, Forest Green have picked up 23 points from their last 18 games (1.27ppg) which would give them 19 more points, leaving them on 48. Or for a smaller sample, they have nine from the last six games (1.5ppg) since the transfer window opened which would take them to 51/52 points and safety.

So it isn't unreasonable to think you'd still need to get to circa 50 points this season.

It does and of course there's a chance that either chesterfield or Barnet could accrue the points needed to get to 50. Chesterfield were looking good for a few games, and played well against us.

However, Crewe forest green are all going along as less than a point and Morecambe at exactly 1 a game. I can't see all 5 improving to a standard which would see them at 50

 

[dedwardp]

Yeah, fair enough - looking through results Crewe have been pretty consistently poor all season... other than a decent enough August, they haven't had any reasonable runs at all really. I still think Chesterfield and Forest Green will get to roughly 48-49 points though, and it still only takes Morecambe and Crewe to muster up one extra win.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Just looking through our results, really sums up how bad we've been. Our wins: Barnet, Chesterfield (x 2), Vale, Grimsby, Morecambe, Stevenage, Crawley (before they decided to start winning games), Notts County. And one draw since August against Yeovil. So other than the random win against Notts County, we haven't even competed outside the teams in the relegation fight. I suppose the positive is we're beating teams around us, the negative is we only have four more winnable games this season looking at that.

Some of our fans still nonchalantly claiming we're too good to go down. Ha.

 

[valefan16]

Our main hope is our home form, we havent been beaten since mid November at Vale Park, problem is we've been grinding out hard to watch points so need to turn a couple of them back into wins, at the moment our pitch is a complete mess and thats not helping us against the weaker sides who are happy to battle on a heavy cut up pitch such as Morecambe and Yeovil who have got draws, however it suited us when we battered Luton so the better technical sides who come down such as Exeter tomorrow may be really caught out by it and that give us the advantage... problem is most sides to come to Vale Park now are mid-lower sides apart from Lincoln who like to lump it anyway.

 

[AdamStag]

Our main hope is our home form, we havent been beaten since mid November at Vale Park, problem is we've been grinding out hard to watch points so need to turn a couple of them back into wins, at the moment our pitch is a complete mess and thats not helping us against the weaker sides who are happy to battle on a heavy cut up pitch such as Morecambe and Yeovil who have got draws, however it suited us when we battered Luton so the better technical sides who come down such as Exeter tomorrow may be really caught out by it and that give us the advantage... problem is most sides to come to Vale Park now are mid-lower sides apart from Lincoln who like to lump it anyway.

We went down playing some decent football, the problem being is that everyone else played it better. It's not how it's on the eye, it's about stopping up.

The conference is your worst nightmare many times over, trust me.

 

[BeesKnees]

Of those in the bottom 8, I expect Forest green and Yeovil to go over 50 points.

Grimsby, Port Vale, Morecambe and Crewe its hard to see them picking up 4-5 wins without a serious improvement. Could be us versus Chesterfield on the final day will determine who survives by overtaking one of those 4.

Personally I think we are already gone, a last gasp winner against an out of form Notts County is not enough to persuade me we can win enough games to make another 20-25 points needed to make a fight of it. Would love to be proved wrong though.

 

[valefan16]

Of those in the bottom 8, I expect Forest green and Yeovil to go over 50 points.

Grimsby, Port Vale, Morecambe and Crewe its hard to see them picking up 4-5 wins without a serious improvement. Could be us versus Chesterfield on the final day will determine who survives by overtaking one of those 4.

Personally I think we are already gone, a last gasp winner against an out of form Notts County is not enough to persuade me we can win enough games to make another 20-25 points needed to make a fight of it. Would love to be proved wrong though.

We go through peaks and troughs... we won 4 and drew 1 of 5 before this run of 7... we are massively confidence based.

 

[Vanni]

Still reckon FGR and Barnet will stay up, and I used to think Chesterfield will too but I think I was wrong. In fact, I reckon they'll be one of the two sides to go down, with the other side one of Crewe or Grimsby, though it depends on who'll be the next Grimsby manager. If they go for someone like Derry, then I have no doubt at all that they'll pick up enough draws and the occasional win to stay up. Yeovil, Morecambe and Vale are in it too, but I don't see either one of those going down. Vale are quite simply not that bad, Yeovil do score enough goals to keep them out of trouble, while Morecambe have been here before and so far they've always managed to stay up so they know what they've got to do.

In short, and I'm sorry to fans of these two clubs,I'm going with Chesterfield and Crewe.

 

[AdamStag]

Can't beat a last minute goal (again)